Now that the "good citizens" of SD have banned abortion, when can we

[Greyhound]

expect to receive apologies from all of you that defended or excused the "do-nothing" DINOs for not standing up and making a "pointless gesture" by sustaining the filibuster.
We're waiting... :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. did the bill make it thru the House?

I thought it just passed the Senate yesterday?

[Greyhound]

3. Came out of the House with a 47 - 22 vote. Once the Governor signs it,

as he is expected to do, it is law. The challenge will be put on the fast track by the re:puke:s so they can impose their mental disorder on the poor women.
"The proposition that the people are the best keepers of their own liberties is not true. They are the worst conceivable, they are no keepers at all; they can neither judge, act, think, or will, as a political body." - John Adams

[sabbat hunter]

2. when it gets to the SCOTUS

and if they over turn roe v wade

i believe the SD law will be overturned with the following vote
to keep Roe V wade the law of the land Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens, Bryer, Kennedy
to overturn Roe v wade Thomas, Scalia, Alito, Roberts

[Greyhound]

5. Why do you think Souter will go against Scalia? n/t

[sabbat hunter]

8. souter

has always voted to uphold roe v wade.
he is a moderate on the SCOTUS

[Greyhound]

12. That's at least hopeful, I thought Souter was pretty much Scalia's

lapdog and Thomas his boot-liker. Glad to hear I'm wrong.

[sabbat hunter]

17. definately not a boot licker

in fact most republicans hate him because he was appointed by Bush I and he has ended up voting with the liberal wing of the court most of the time.

[MsMagnificent]

4. How pissed are the Southern States

that they didn't get there first?

The writing has been on the wall for years -- there are no excuses from anybody, even a moron knew!
(The morans, of course, had this planned all along)

[BootinUp]

6. If I tried to respond thoughtfully

honestly to the question it would only piss you off more. So whats the point. I find your sig line quote by Eisenhower interesting. The question is who in our party gets to determine when the line is crossed.

[Greyhound]

7. Not particularly pissing me off as I'm not a woman and will never be

condemned to living in SD, none the less, those supposed Democrats that failed to respond to the most important stand of any of their careers are simply traitors and should be dealt with as such. When your daughters and grand daughters are relegated to the status of property and they ask you why, what will you say? It wasn't the right time to spend political capital? That it was more important to retain a committee seat? That re-election is more important than than the future?

[BootinUp]

9. what political capital?

I wish there was some to spend.

We must be able to win congressional and Senate seats and electoral votes in the Red States to protect the future. Its just that simple. A stand today that loses additional seats is heading the wrong way. Now if we had some to lose and still maintain a semblance of a power structure that would be different.

[Greyhound]

10. That's the point, the coup is over. The only thing left is to make your

statement for what is right, for your honor, for posterity. The filibuster would have accomplished the delay, and with sufficient resolve, could have forced another choice, but they didn't even try. And to what end? Do you think laying down accomplished anything? How many re:puke:s changed their minds because the "democrats" did nothing?

[Odin2005]

11. Hopefully it won't get to SCOTUS

It may be slapped down in the federal and apeals courts and SCOTUS will ignore the appeal. Also, IIRC, there are still 5 pro-Roe justices.

[Harald Ragnarsson]

13. I guess I'm not following this

So all Democrats from across America should have converged on SD and forced their state government not to do this?

My plate is kind of full right now with outrage over unprovoked wars, free speech zones, warrantless wiretapping and searches, etc, etc, etc.

If the people of SD want this, screw them. If they don't, I'm sure they'll send people to the legislature next time who will throw it out.

[Greyhound]

15. The DINOs that didn't support the filibuster of Scalito's nomination

and allowed the re:puke:s to install him are traitors plain and simple. Whatever they do from here on out is meaningless. Scalito and his pro-corporate totalitarian position will be the biggest single 'achievement' of the miscarriage that is the shrub administration. It will affect all of us for generations to come.
Undoing the other damage of this cabal will be a long and very painful process, and some of it can't be fixed, but having him and Roberts on the court will resonate through history. How long did it take this country to undo the atrocities of the 1883 Civil Rights case(s)? 4, maybe 5 generations, and we're still suffering the fallout today.
I don't think it is possible to overstate how important stopping this was.

[TahitiNut]

14. Before the law can go into effect ...

(1) The Governor must sign it.
(2) It will be challenged, and the trial court must either find in it's favor or find that the challenge of unconstitutionality is valid and find against it. It's most likely to sustain the challenge and order that the law not be enforced pending appeal.
(3) It'll work its way through the state and federal appeals process. Each court, based on Roe v. Wade, is likely to sustain the challenge and confirm the order against enforcement pending SCOUTS appeal.
(4) SCOTUS must accept the referral, find in favor of the legislature (thus overturning Roe v. Wade) and vacate the lower court order suspending enforcement.

[Greyhound]

16. True that it is not a 'done deal' yet, however you can bet your bottom

dollar that the re:puke: controlled government will fast-track this like nothing since the Searle debacle, and the chance that the SCOUS won't hear it are remote, at best. IMO
After all, this is the 'holy grail' of the brain-damaged sheeple.

[Burning Water]

18. You seem to

think that the filibuster could be sustained. I don't think it was. The rules would be changed, and then we wouldn't have the filibuster option when we needed it and when it might have worked. Not that I'm happy about the result.

But there is a silver lining. First, this gives us an issue to nationalize the elections like the Repukes have done so successfully. Second, when the issue is won electorally, and it will be I'm convinced, it is far more likely to stay settled permanently. Third, Democratic leaders will have to learn to be leaders.

[Greyhound]

19. I'm sorry, but the Scalito appointment WAS when they needed it.

That was the biggie, the Big Battle that they were, ostensibly, saving it for. What's left? They're going to filibuster some new corporate giveaway? Maybe shrubCo. would try to hand over vital national infrastructure to a terrorist government, and we'll need it then? Oh... wait... that didn't even go through the legislature, did it?

[Burning Water]

20. No, I don't think so.

I think when they are going to need it is for the third SC nomination by Bush, which I would lay 50-50 that he gets to make. You know the one that will switch the court from 5-4 for Roe to 5-4 against Roe>>

In that case, we may be able to draw enough moderate Repukes to kill the nuclear option. We weren't going to be able to do it this time. The signs were clear. We may not be able to do it next time, either, but I think we have a better shot.

[Greyhound]

24. You think Stevens will retire before shrub is out? Before mid-terms?

[DemGirl7]

25. I've heard rumors that Stevens might/will retire very soon

I don't want him to, I want him to hang on for a little bit longer, but the problem is that he is turning 86. I've heard tons of rumors that he may retire at the end of this term even. A Stevens retirement is what I fear the most, because * will definitely replace him with some Scalia/Thomas clone, because that has basicly become the standard when it comes to Republican judicial nominees, and it makes the fundies happy. And I have a bad feeling that these rumors are true, just a really bad feeling. :( :scared:

[Greyhound]

26. :-(...

[Burning Water]

29. Yes,

I think he is likely to retire, though not before mid-term.

However, I am not as hopeful about mid-terms as many seem to be. After all, what has been fixed in our broken voting system??


Sorry, I've had my heart broken too many times since 2000 to place much trust in a sudden turn-around this year. Being of a pessimistic turn of mind has numerous advantages over optimism. One, you're seldom surprised, and two, when you are, it is always pleasantly.

[phylny]

21. I want to know how long

the women of South Dakota have to wait before taking out life insurance policies on their unborn? Can they bring in the positive EPT test kit, or do they have to have a lab report from the doctor?

If it's life, it's life. Oh, remember - early tax deductions, too!

:sarcasm:

[rpgamerd00d]

22. Actually, you have a pretty good point.

Man + Woman have sex.
Woman takes out $10 Billion life insurance policy on impregnated egg.
Egg fails to imbed itself into wall of uterus, woman has her period.
Women files claim.
Insurance company goes bankrupt.

[phylny]

23. In another thread a few days ago, I shared that I've had two miscarriages

(long ago) - one single, and one twin pregnancy. Just think - I could have been $3 million richer.

Enough to put our three children through college and fund retirement, I reckon ;)

[Breeze54]

27. South Dakota: Supporting Rapists Reproductive Rights Since 2006!

:grr:
Boycott the South Dakota Tourist Industry and tell them why!
http://www.travelsd.com/

BOYCOTT IAMS PET FOOD owned by PROCTOR AND GAMBLE!
Gillette too!
Boycott them all!


http://www.madeinsouthdakota.com/

"In every decision we make and in every policy we develop,
we are committed to protecting those who cannot protect themselves...
the very young and the very old."
(We just don't give a fuck about the women!)
Governor Mike Rounds
Rapist Supporter and all around Fucktard Since 2006!!

Send coat hangers to the Governor!!
(They're going to need them!!)
Contact Governor Rounds
Office of the Governor
500 E. Capitol Ave.
Pierre, SD 57501
605.773.3212
http://www.state.sd.us/phonebook/ <----!!!

:wtf:
:rofl: The whole state???

[Greyhound]

28. I guess all the narrow-minded fascists aren't in KS & TX after all.

I'd never feed Iams to any of my dogs or guests. :grr: