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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:27 PM
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Fox: All-out civil war could be a good thing
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:29 PM
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1. Since when war is "a good thing"?
Wait... if a missile happens to fall on FOX News headquarters. Oops!! Collateral Damage... :eyes:
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:55 PM
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12. ever since Rummy 'ressentiment-ed' "looting" to an "expression of freedom"
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 06:25 PM by tiptoe
The basis for "turning 'virtue' on its head" (e.g Swiftboating-attacks on Kerry and Murta and NeoconNazi conscience-free killing and anti-Democracy, anti-Constitution, anti-UN, pro-Chaos sentiments in general): Nietzsche and Society
Since the evolution of the Greek polis in the fourth century B.C., man has attempted to live in a civilized society. Society was developed due to the common needs of commerce, and safety of the people in a relatively small geographic area. To create order out of a ancient, chaotic, tribal system, the constraints of laws were needed, and a government to enforce them. Common virtues, ethics, and morals emerged with the establishment of the Greek city-state. This made communication between the people easier and devised a valuation of what was "right" and "wrong." These valuations endured for centuries with little question, until the late nineteenth century.

Fredrich Nietzsche challenged all ideas that had not only come before him, but also those which proliferated during his own period. He "deconstructed" society and its "noble lies" in an attempt to show us that man "is something to be overcome." He attempted to debase all of society by proving values, ethics, and the like are errors of humanity. If you destroy the order of society by destroying everything it values, can any society still exist, or better yet, could the destroyer still exist within society? Would Nietzsche be comfortable in any society? To what extent can we use the hammer and still remain a part of society? These are my "question marks." In order to answer these questions, first it is necessary to determine what Nietzsche found so base in herd morality.
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Nietzsche saw that the noble lies of herd morality were set in stone, along with the error they were based upon. The error of these lies resulted in the destruction of individualism and freedom of man. This in turn, indicated the need for destruction of the stone tablets of herd morality. When men destroy these base values, transvaluation can follow. As Nietzsche says through Zarathustra, "he who has to be creator, always has to destroy." For the transvaluation to take place, Nietzsche needed to define how we should destroy and create and what type of values should be created.

To understand how the destruction should take place, Nietzsche speaks of his "hammer rages fiercely against its prison." The "lion" destroys herd morality with his "hammer." The "hammer" is pure Dionysian-pure nihilism. However, an overflow of Dionysian intoxication will annihilate everything; a balance is required. Nietzsche adds the reason and wisdom of Apollo to create this balance. This reason and wisdom allows man to destroy the right moral enemies and create the right values. In this way, reason and will destroy together. Once we destroy all of man's enemies, there is one more thing to be destroyed. Zarathustra tells his disciples, "you must be ready to burn yourself in your own flame." We must sacrifice ourselves because we are only prophets of the "child," or "Ubermensch," and are still in some ways decadents ourselves.
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ressentiment
ressenti(e) is the past participle of the French verb, ressentir, and ressentiment is the noun form. NIetzche makes use of ressentiment constantly, in his own singular fashion, to describe the phenomenon whereby an active force is deprived of its normal conditions of existence, where it directs itself inward and turns against itself. "Pushed back and repressed, incarcerated within and finally able to discharge and vent only on itself." is the perfect definition of what is meant for something to be ressenti according to Nietzche's concept of ressentiment. In his Nietzche and Philosophy, Deleuze defines ressentiment as the becoming reactive of force in general. "separated from what it is capable of, the active force does not how ever cease to exist. Turning against itself, it produces suffering." Hence, Deleuze concludes, with ressentiment a new meaning and depth is created for suffering, an intimate, internal meaning. (Anti-Oedipus, translator's note p. 214)
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Cleetus Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:30 PM
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2. It figures
A good thing...

A civil war makes the failure of the fucking chimp complete.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:33 PM
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6. Yup, it sure does!
Welcome to DU!!!
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:30 PM
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3. Fox presenters are the undead n/t
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:30 PM
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4. SUMMARIZE here, pls, for busy folks.
ddddddddd
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:31 PM
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5. Oh indeedy! Did a FOX News analyst praise Chimpy ?
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 05:34 PM by kenny blankenship
I mean it's SUCH a good thing that it's inconceivable that Bush hadn't been planning ALL ALONG for this to happen--you know, not tipping his hand that he was angling for this result but laying the groundwork bit by bit, biding his time, and now finally reaping the reward of his patient strategerizuhming?

I mean, hell Chimpy IS infallible, right? So this civil war can't just be a happy accident. He and God planned it all out ahead of time...
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:38 PM
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7. just wanted to say
kickass name, and kickass sig!

Let's get it on!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:40 PM
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8. Yes, a good situation for the...
MIC and Multi-Corps. Crushing the Sunni Insurgency is the goal. The Sunnis are the impediment to US/UK domination of Iraq, of the strategic Military force and the flow of oil. Shias and Kurds dominate Iraq and are willing to accomodate Western commerce but the Sunnis are getting the short end. The Western Powers do have an agenda
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:44 PM
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16. thank you.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:45 PM
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9. I think they drop acid everyday over there.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:48 PM
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10. Yeah, if all them folks kill each other, we won't have to!
heh heh heh

I am so sad about this today.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:54 PM
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11. Unbelievable. There is absolutely NOTHING FAUX won't do
to help prop up this failed regime. Unf*ckingbelievable.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:55 PM
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13. People are trying to spin it on GAMEFAQS
Hard to spin such disgusting filth, but they are still defending FOX.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:56 PM
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14. lol
i showed my ex-republican brother and we both had a good laugh.
like i said in another thread, thats not even spin!
thats just desperation!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:59 PM
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15. Gee, how did I guess it was Cavuto?
Cavuto - Fox News professional ass-kisser extrodinaire.
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