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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:58 PM
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The Debates: Kerry vs. Bush on the Ports
From The Democratic Daily
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http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2058

Kerry brought up port security in the first debate on September 30, 2004:

LEHRER: We’ll come back to Iraq in a moment. But I want to come back to where I began, on homeland security. This is a two-minute new question, Senator Kerry.

As president, what would you do, specifically, in addition to or differently to increase the homeland security of the United States than what President Bush is doing?

KERRY: Jim, let me tell you exactly what I’ll do. And there are a long list of thing. First of all, what kind of mixed message does it send when you have $500 million going over to Iraq to put police officers in the streets of Iraq, and the president is cutting the COPS program in America?

What kind of message does it send to be sending money to open firehouses in Iraq, but we’re shutting firehouses who are the first- responders here in America.

The president hasn’t put one nickel, not one nickel into the effort to fix some of our tunnels and bridges and most exposed subway systems. That’s why they had to close down the subway in New York when the Republican Convention was there. We hadn’t done the work that ought to be done.

The president — 95 percent of the containers that come into the ports, right here in Florida, are not inspected. Civilians get onto aircraft, and their luggage is X-rayed, but the cargo hold is not X- rayed.

Does that make you feel safer in America?

This president thought it was more important to give the wealthiest people in America a tax cut rather than invest in homeland security. Those aren’t my values. I believe in protecting America first.

And long before President Bush and I get a tax cut — and that’s who gets it — long before we do, I’m going to invest in homeland security and I’m going to make sure we’re not cutting COPS programs in America and we’re fully staffed in our firehouses and that we protect the nuclear and chemical plants.

The president also unfortunately gave in to the chemical industry, which didn’t want to do some of the things necessary to strengthen our chemical plant exposure.

And there’s an enormous undone job to protect the loose nuclear materials in the world that are able to get to terrorists. That’s a whole other subject, but I see we still have a little bit more time.

Let me just quickly say, at the current pace, the president will not secure the loose material in the Soviet Union — former Soviet Union for 13 years. I’m going to do it in four years. And we’re going to keep it out of the hands of terrorists.

LEHRER: Ninety-second response, Mr. President.

BUSH: I don’t think we want to get to how he’s going to pay for all these promises. It’s like a huge tax gap. Anyway, that’s for another debate.

So, port security is too expensive. After all, we can’t risk those tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy, and attacking Iraq was more important than going after al Qaeda or defending the United States. When Bush said this was for another debate, it did come up again in the third debate on October 13, 2004:

KERRY (FROM THE OPENING STATEMENT): Will we ever be safe and secure again? Yes. We absolutely must be. That’s the goal.

Now, how do we achieve it is the most critical component of it.

I believe that this president, regrettably, rushed us into a war, made decisions about foreign policy, pushed alliances away. And, as a result, America is now bearing this extraordinary burden where we are not as safe as we ought to be.

The measurement is not: Are we safer? The measurement is: Are we as safe as we ought to be? And there are a host of options that this president had available to him, like making sure that at all our ports in America containers are inspected. Only 95 percent of them — 95 percent come in today uninspected. That’s not good enough.

People who fly on airplanes today, the cargo hold is not X-rayed, but the baggage is. That’s not good enough. Firehouses don’t have enough firefighters in them. Police officers are being cut from the streets of America because the president decided to cut the COPS program.

So we can do a better job of homeland security. I can do a better job of waging a smarter, more effective war on terror and guarantee that we will go after the terrorists.

I will hunt them down, and we’ll kill them, we’ll capture them. We’ll do whatever is necessary to be safe.

This was hardly the first time Kerry discussed this during the campaign. From his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, July 29, 2004:

Today, our national security begins with homeland security. The 9/11 commission has given us a path to follow, endorsed by Democrats, Republicans and the 9/11 families. As president, I will not evade or equivocate; I will immediately implement all the recommendations of that commission.

We shouldn’t be letting 95 percent of our container ships come into our ports without ever being physically inspected. We shouldn’t be leaving nuclear and chemical plants without enough protection. And we shouldn’t be opening firehouses in Baghdad and shutting them in the United States of America.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:05 PM
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1. CNN: Democrats afraid to take on Bush with the terror issue.
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 02:06 PM by blm
Matthews: No one can TOUCH Bush on terror.

Russert: Democrats don't understand the terror issue.

Wolfie: How can ANYONE match Bush on terror?

FOX: Bush is perfect - Kerry's a traitor.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:09 PM
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4. Is this a joke?
Thanks for reminding me why I got rid of cable two years ago.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:18 PM
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5. I wish it was a joke - that was a synopsis of the 2004 campaign coverage
EVEN when the debates proved Kerry was on top of Bush about his failure on the terror issue, the media would act as if he never said a word, and refused to discuss his charges against Bush.
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windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:29 PM
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6. Don't forget
whenever Kerry was starting to make a good point, the networks would all of a sudden start having "technical difficulties." :tinfoilhat:
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:37 PM
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8. Also amnesia
It's amazing how right wing pundits are claiming that it is new for the Democrats to be talking about national security in this manner. After all, it wasn't only Kerry. Edwards spoke of port security, including in his acceptance speech. I even recall Dean (supposedly the peacenik per the media) speaking about this from the early days of his campaign.
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nolies32fouettes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:26 PM
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13. this post fits too
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:57 PM
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9. Yep. And funny too, how
now the anti-Kerry meme is that "he couldn't get his message out."

A Dem candidate will "get his (her) message out" when the big corporate media damn well wants them to...or when we figure another way to reach suburban parents with kids to raise who are listening and watching the M$M after work while getting dinner ready or helping the kids with homework etc etc and oh btw are not reading the blogs.

It was never the candidate, and it won't be the candidate in 2008 - it's all about media and message delivery.
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:12 PM
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14. Kerry couldn't get his message out . . .
. . . to morons or those who don't want to hear.

Kerry's message is perfectly clear to those willing to listen
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:43 PM
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26. Problem is that the GOP media wasn't about to LET the message be heard.
They know how to ignore or bury stories and issues inconvenient to the Bushboy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:11 PM
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10. Wouldn't it be interesting to put a video compilation of their BS together
for viewing? The media needs to be held accountable somehow.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:27 PM
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17. I agree completekly - I think DNC needs to make it an issue for the party.
They HAVE to start complaining about the way they are treated and lied about by a media corrupted by corporate interference.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:37 PM
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19. That'd be awesome
Have a video of all of them saying their nonsense and then what Kerry said.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:07 PM
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2. Kerry told us several times during the campaign--few listened.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:07 PM
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3. Thank you for posting this, Dr. Ron.
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 02:08 PM by Olney Blue
K and R.

In so many instances, Kerry has been a prophet for what has happened since 2004.
So has Gore. Do we have to fuc#ing get nuked before people wake up to see
that this administration is a sham on security?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:16 PM
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16. The mess Bush has gotten this world into would take BOTH Gore and Kerry
and every one of us working 24/7 for 4yrs to get back on any even footing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:37 PM
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20. But don't you know?
Bush is the one to have a beer with! :eyes: :sarcasm:
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:49 PM
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21. Have a beer with Bush during the next terrorist attack
If he sat around reading a children's book during the last attack, I can easily picture him sitting around drinking beer during the next.

Hopefully, should we have another terrorist attack, Bush will be sitting around drinking beer because he is out of office, and someone who knows how to respond in a crisis (such as Kerry) will be President.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 06:01 PM
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22. The last thing I want to do is have a beer with an alcoholic.
The disease runs in my family, and it ain't pretty.
:scared:

Beside that, I wouldn't want to drink ANYTHING with the chimp (especially kool-aide :) )
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:35 PM
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7. Related story
More information on Kerry's proposals for port security in the 2004 election here:

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2028
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:12 PM
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12. Excellent.
:toast:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:11 PM
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11. Thanks Dr. Ron.
:hi:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:12 PM
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15. Dr Ron----
Do you have the quote where bsh said that Kerry would
sell our security to foreign countries that are not our friends.

I would love to have that one bookmarked.

If you do have it, or anyone else -
thanks in advance!
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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:30 PM
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18. Bush quote

"This mindset will paralyze America in a dangerous world. I will never hand over America's security decisions to foreign leaders and international bodies that do not have America's interests at heart."
--George Bush, October 6, 2004

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/06/se.01.html
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:14 AM
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24. omg Dr Ron -
That is unbelievable.
Actually it makes me ill.

Tell me again - just WHO the flip-flopper is.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 07:34 PM
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23. Thanks Dr. Ron - I remember it well - EOM
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 09:03 AM
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25. AUDIO/MP#-made a collection of that
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