They ridiculed Fahrenheit 9/11

[SHRED]

Without watching it.
Now they wonder; why in the hell Bush is siding with the UAE?

Perhaps they should check it out and understand that the facts portrayed, (setting aside Michael Moore's opinion)in Fahrenheit 9/11, are not in dispute.

For the unenlightened, there is a lot of info in the movie regarding the Bush connections in that region of the world.

But no.
They probably will get tripped up by their disdain for Michael instead. They will stop at an emotional level, wrap in their flags a little tighter, and wonder, "Why is our President defending the Dubai port deal"?

[AndyA]

1. Dubai Port deal + George W. Bush =

CONFLICT
OF
INTEREST

[malaise]

20. And the opposition should be based on just that

Bushco is about to seize 21 ports.

Sp.

[lonestarnot]

2. Facts are undisputed!

[petgoat]

32. Oh they're disputed. Bushcists always point to Dave Kopel's

"59 Deceits" website. It is an impressively hefty critique--if you haven't seen the movie, and if
you want to print it out and bash somebody on the head with it. But it's inept and dishonest.
It claims in Deceit 3 that Jeffrey Toobin "admitted on CNN that the only scenarios for a Gore victory
involved a type of recount which Gore had never requested."

If you look at the transcript cited as support for this, you'll see that Toobin admitted nothing.

[Canuckistanian]

3. We know why Bushco is fighting so hard for this

It's time everyone else was let in on the little "secret".

Shrub cares for his Arab oil and money buddies FIRST, Americans second.

[spartan61]

12. You said that shrub cares for Americans second.

I don't think that is correct. I think he doesn't care for Americans at all! He must find it so inconvenient that so many of us live in the USA. He only tolerates us because we pay the taxes that finance his hairbrain activities in the world and to help his corporate buddies get even wealthier.

[Canuckistanian]

19. And the poor who join the Armed forces....

Just to get away from the staggering unemployment and hopelessness of their homes.

Their jobs have all been outsourced to China. Curiously though, the CEO's of those same companies (Many of them large Republican donors) haven't been outsourced.

[cal04]

4. the yahoo boards are posting this like crazy today

Michael Moore was right
22 recommendations

when he tried to tell the American people how the Bush family has been in bed with the Saudi's for decades. No wonder the Right attacked him so viciously to discredit him: he was telling the truth.

[SHRED]

6. I've never been there

which yahoo category...maybe I'll join in ;)

[cal04]

10. see if this works. OMG they have been at this for two days

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&board=37138456&tid=apportssecurity&sid=37138456&mid=100679

[marions ghost]

5. yeah....

where's the bumper sticker that says

"Michael Moore was right"

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Moore would have had so much more impact with that story

if he had presented himself better. I mean, preaching to the choir will make you millions, but if he intended to reach the other side, he should have taken another approach. I know people who dismissed him just because he admitted he was a rank partisan.

[SHRED]

14. I know people who dismissed him because of...

... his outburst at the awards ceremony.

I know this is a bit superficial however, I think he could have spoken clearly, eloquently, and humbly while having the same impact and reaching many more people to watch his movie.
I am just guessing of course.
His speaking out loudly did get lots of media play and who knows if that got more into the theatre.
Probably.

[RandiFan1290]

15. He told the truth

There was no outburst.

[SHRED]

24. Well...

...I tnink it was too an outburst...an outburst of truth!

[Mabus]

46. an outburst of TRUTHINESS

Long live Colbert!

[RazzleDazzle]

17. Don't be silly

You actually know better, I'm sure of it. You've just had a momentary lapse.

You know very well that anyone telling the TRUTH will NEVER be "accepted" or appreciated, but rather demonized at every turn. As long as Moore was depicting the truth, there was absolutely nothing he can do to become "acceptable" to the right. Nothing.

And let's slay another myth as well: I know people who dismissed him just because he admitted he was a rank partisan.

Being a rank partisan doesn't mean you're wrong in favor of your team. Doesn't mean your facts aren't actually factual. Doesn't mean your bias prevents you from seeing let alone speaking the truth.

It CAN mean all that, especially for those on the right, it seems (which is no doubt why they believe it of the left), but partisanship does not automatically confer blind loyalty at the expense of truth and reality.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Have you ever read Watership Down?

Well, I just started it and there is an interesting discussion about Fiver's character in the Introduction. It says, "Fiver was derived from Cassandra, the Trojan prophetess who was cursed by the god Apollo always to tell the truth and never to be believed."

You can say the same about Moore. Many people have the truth about what is happening in this country. Some seem to be able to cross over the political span better than others. Some, for as truthful as they are, actually hurt us because their personalities close people off.

[marions ghost]

18. Moore had incredible impact

with the movie. If he had made it more equivocal (ie. watered it down for bi-partisan consumption), it wouldn't have had the draw. People who dismissed the movie without seeing it were going to do that anyway.

There are too few individual voices, too few willing to be labelled 'partisan' --in order to speak out against the evils of this regime. You can't please everybody and promote a strong viewpoint at the same time.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Moore did a good job of waking up the Democratic base and

giving them rallying points. But, we need to take the next step and, I'm afraid, Moore may not be point man on that journey.

[marions ghost]

25. Moore doesn't want the job

he's holding up a mirror, shining a spotlight on our society, speaking in his own voice--BUT NOT trying to be a point man or leader in the MLK sense of the word. That much is very clear by now.

We don't need to worry about what Michael Moore does or doesn't do. He's an independent thinker. That's his greatest strength.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. We don't disagree. As long as everyone else see it this way,

there will be less conflict regarding Moore's role and we can concentrate on moving forward.

[marions ghost]

28. I think

Michael Moore's role is the least of our worries. What conflict is he causing? How is he stopping us from moving forward?

We have much more to worry about re. our selected representatives.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. Oh, did you miss the circular firing squad that assembles every time

his name gets posted on this newsgroup?

[marions ghost]

31. no

but it is more like a recurring little debate than a circular firing squad. IMO "Firing squad" is overdramatizing it. I don't think most liberals are concerned with Michael Moore affecting our collective image. With the Bushies screwing up so badly, there's no need to be so anxious and thin-skinned anymore.

At this point in time with the Dubai deal going down, it seems appropriate and just to hark back to Moore's prophetic documentary. Suddenly it doesn't seem overblown at all.

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. No, it's not overblown. He was right. And so was Hans Blix.

And so was Gore on Airport Security in 1996; and so was Kerry on Port Security in late 2003, but the right-wingers are small minded neanderthals and will never give these "elitest" their proper due. They are destined to live out their lives like Cassandra.

[marions ghost]

42. and should we believe like neanderthals...?

that Moore, Blix, Gore, and Kerry are merely Cassandras? Any one of them has made a far greater contribution than that, despite the trashing they have endured.

For liberals to apply the negative Cassandra label to our courageous fighters on several fronts--who have been criminally undermined--comes from a downtrodden mentality.

Besides...we are far from Game Over.

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. I think we need to recognize that they've been wronged, not admit

defeat. I've told you that some people are getting across party lines and I think we need to keep doing what we've been doing. Hammering away with the truth. But I think that Blix, Gore, Moore and Kerry will come across more sympathetic to the public when it becomes obvious that they have been wronged and they have been badly mistreated.

[Lefty48197]

34. As opposed to what? The people at FOX who lie about their affiliation?

I'll take Michael's honesty any day, over their deceit.

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. So what are you in the choir? Alto or Soprano?

[postulater]

8. Going Once, Going Twice, SOLD to the man from Dubai! (N/T)

[Justpat]

9. Right.

Michael Moore was called liberal scum and traitor for showing the relationship between the BFEE
and the Bush family. Three nights ago, Lou Dobbs did a pretty good job showing the same thing
for even the most brain dead among them to see. So far, no one has called Lou Dobbs scum or
traitor for doing that piece.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. This is a good point--now is a good time for some people to see F911.

[exlrrp]

13. The chickens come home to roost for Bush

The UAE deal is the classic case of the Chiskens coming home to roost for Bush
For years now, he and the Right Wing Noise Machine have been playing up the "We're at war" angle, claimning they were theones who had the best plan for national security, that the others were inept.
Now, in what was obviouslly supposed to be an under the tabke deal, they appear to be selling the ranch to the Indians.
After years of their scare tactics, the American people are....well....scared.
And the other thing thats coming back to Bush is all the selling of America thats been haoppening the last bew years--many outside interests, including nationalities hostile to us, now OWN a piece of America, thanks to the trade imbalance and over amped foreign investments. Its a good chance the Dubai Ports Co can beat this in court if the Congress tries to stall it.
And all thanks to Bush-- ye have sown the wind, now reap the whirlwind.

[Canuckistanian]

23. True. The mask has slipped.

Shrub is blowing his cover here.

He should have backed down, taken his loss ($$$$) and shut up about it. Instead, he's mystified his base, given a cache of ammunition to his critics and proven that security was NEVER his top priority.

The same pig-headed attitude that got him all that RW respect is now his downfall.

[jarnocan]

16. the uglier the smears by the spew on cue

crew- the more you know -the target is saying something important. Micheal Moore is a real American hero! (so is Cindy sheehan- their current #! target)

[Octafish]

27. James R Bath Links Bush and BFEE to House of Bin Laden

Michael Moore put the following on the Big Screen:

Back when George W was defendin' Texas from the Air Force of North Vietnam, he met a man by the name of James R Bath. They both were drummed off the flight line for failing to take physical exams -- coincidently, I'm sure, right about the same time the government starting testing pilots for illegal drugs.

Here's the document:



Here's the document James R Bath signed to be the official US business agent of the bin Laden family. Neet, huh?



The BCCI deal, which Michael Moore did not go into, ties the petrodollar fueled bank to drug running, gun running, money laundering, international terrorism, the KGB, Abu Nidal, Oliver North, the CIA and government corruption on a world-wide scale. Money from it was used to finance Dr. A.Q. Khan, father of Pakistan's H-Bomb, the technology for which came through the ports of the United Arab Emirates.

[petgoat]

35. James R. Bath was a director of the BCCI

That's the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, which was shut down in 1991 after
its record of money laundering for drug smugglers and terrorists came to light. Some
say it was initially capitalized in part by the CIA. It was used to help finance the
anti-Soviet mujahideen (al Qaeda) in Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International

Another director (and 20% owner) of the BCCI was Khalid bin Mahfouz. When Salem bin Laden
(Osama's half-brother) died in a plane crash, bin Mahfouz inherited many of his assets,
including holdings in W's oil company Arbusto. When the BCCI came down, bin Mahfouz paid
$225 million to make a New York State fraud indictment go away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_bin_Mahfouz

[Octafish]

47. Bath's a BCCI turd, all right. So're the Bushlers.

I almost feel sorry for the guy, getting involved with the Bush Crime Family and all.

"Once a member. Always a member."

BCCI and Bush

Bush's family ties to shady bank BCCI help explain his "success." in the oil biz

by Bob Fitrakis

August 29, 2002

Trying to make sense of George W. Bush's days in the oil business and his bizarre Harken Energy stock transactions? Well, if you dig deep enough, you'll find a core group of people surrounding the notorious Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka Bank of Crooks and Criminals International).

BCCI was, among other nefarious things, the bank of choice for al Qaeda, the CIA, Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega. This spooky collection of opium warlords, Arab sheiks, Pakistani financiers and organized crime perpetrated perhaps the greatest banking fraud in world history. BCCI's global criminal conspiracy was aided by connections to Washington insiders like the Bush family, former secretary of defense and CIA co-founder Clark Clifford, Senator Orrin Hatch and President Jimmy Carter.

Award-winning journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin document Dubya's ties to al Qaeda's favorite bank in their authoritative tome, False Profits: The Inside Story of BCCI, the World's Most Corrupt Financial Empire.

Truell, a Wall Street Journal reporter, and Gurwin, who broke the infamous Banco Ambrosiano scandal in the early 1980s, point out that both Bush political brothers Jeb and Dubya had close links to BCCI. Jeb socialized with Abdur Sakhia, BCCI's Miami branch manager and later the bank's top U.S. official. Jeb's real estate company, Bush Klein Realty, managed the Grove Island complex of luxury condominiums where Sakhia lived. BCCI financed various real estate deals at the complex.

But, as Truell and Gurwin note, "George W. Bush had even closer ties to the BCCI network." In order to understand Bush's bogus Horatio Alger claims of being a struggling West Texas oilman who struck it rich and the later Harken stock shenanigans now in question, people need to look beneath the mythology and political spin.

CONTINUED...

http://www.naturalsolutionsradio.com/articles/article.html?id=3338&filter=

Lots:

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/EntityDisplay.php?Entity=BathJR

[peekaloo]

30. Shiny Happy People

:kick:

[Harald Ragnarsson]

33. And this is why there is no hope for this country

I really think the best thing to do would be divide the union. Let us normal people have half, let these freaks who think "F911 is full of lies" and "Jesus wants us to wipe out all A-RABS" have their own half.

Literally every moron I tried to get watch F911 responded the same, "I won't want that, it's full of LIES!". They could not tell me what lies or how actual papers or video of happens could be showing LIES, but never the less, it is FULL OF LIES.

There is no working with people that are absolutely sure of the stupidity and just don't care. About anything. Look at when Cindy was in Crawford, a whole big group of them showed up to to protest FOR war chanting We Don't Care! I see people, no shit, who put bumperstickers on their vehicles here that say "Nebraskans For War". They don't care who, or why, they just want WAR. Oh, and George Bush for King.

I won't live like this in the USA.

[petgoat]

36. divide the union.

It's already been done. You never heard of Jesusland?

[Harald Ragnarsson]

39. You give the numbers of Jesusland people too much credit n/t

[petgoat]

40. Oh I know. Back in November there were only three

pinkish states left. Now there probably aren't any!

[tallahasseedem]

41. I was just ranting this to my Husband last night.

I told him that I wonder how all of those jackasses who crucified Moore over that film feel now that all that was said was right on the money.

[lovuian]

44. This has just proved Moore was right!!!

thats really whats going on with the outrage is millions of people know about the Bush and house of Saud connection!!!

[confludemocrat]

45. they have "disdain" for MM? More like blind insane hatred for calling it

right. "Michael Moore's opinion"? he had almost no opinion expressed in that movie, just clips that MSM would not show.