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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:29 PM Original message |
The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived 'Peak Oil' |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not to be obtuse, but |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. So arguably, a totalitarian state may be the only way to survive Peak Oil. |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. If you believe in the concept of "Peak Oil" |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Which part don't you "believe" in? Gravity works even if you don't believe |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Gravity is a fact. Throw any object up and it will down down. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. So You Are Saying That Biofuels Will Allow Continued Exponential Growth? |
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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. There will NEVER again be a viable fuel-based consumer society |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. No, I am not saying that. We will not just wake up one day and |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Then Peak Oil Is A Fact? |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Whoa! nt |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Then you don't understand the meaning of the phrase "Peak Oil" |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. Don't See Anything in This Article That Requires a Totalitarian State |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. you mean free of a multi-decade economic embargo? |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yes, exactly |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. You tell 'em, ret. People here are going to wish they were Cuban |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:47 PM Original message |
So foolish... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. So foolish... |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. What's their per capita or per family income? How would Americans |
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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Not well... |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. well, don't forget, 98% of cubans own their home outright... |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. You are buying into propaganda if you think all Cubans have |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. They have the same infant mortality rate as the US, FYI |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That doesn't suprise me. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. It's lower than the US. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. in 2002 or something ours was higher, i think the latest figures are equal |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. The latest figures? All I can go by are the reports available. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You win, last time I tried to show the data to someone, they were equal |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. They are actually quite close I imagine be it 2002-2005. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
39. well, i guess it depends on whether you call 33rd out of 191 "world class" |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. What's Cuba's cost of living? |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. $2800 Wouldn't Even Pay for Health Insurance Here |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. My Read On The Coming Storm |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. The income per statistic is irrelevant as it is calculated. It is simply |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. When I go to California... |
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FrannyD (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. Harper's magazine |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Very interesting -thanks n/t |
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ArmchairActivist (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. Glad you posted this link... |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. Couple Of Addl. Articles That Provides Some 'Food' For Thought |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. Okay, so all I need to is find a plot of land and a chick: |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-26-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Whoa! you mean I have to CHOOSE between my computer and my chick??? |
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