Is this for real?

[Burning Water]

Do they seriously think this has a chance of working?

http://unitedforpeace.org/calendar.php?calid=15790

[ClassWarrior]

1. It got you talking, didn't it?

16+5=2006

NGU.

[liberal N proud]

4. silly question - What is 16+5=2006?

Out side of things not adding up under bu$h, I can't figure that out and have seen it multiple times.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. 2006 election...

we need to take 16 seats in the house and 5 in the senate. :)

[liberal N proud]

10. Thanks

I hope we can do better than that, but I now understand.

Again, Thanks

[Coexist]

11. Actually - I think we need 6 in the Senate - if Lieberman wins

I think he will take an even more "Conservative stance" to make himself stand out. Something tells me McCain is considering him for a running mate and Joe is acting accordingly.

[Burning Water]

14. Let's hope it can be done.

What about Diebold?

[Burning Water]

12. I gotta agree

with liberal N proud. What does that mean?

And I wasn't talking. I was asking what these people thought they were going to accomplish. No one ever looks so silly as when their reach exceed their grasp. As when they make big brags they can't back up.

Do they really think that the armed forces will overthrow their commander-in-chief? America is not some backwater third-world country without strong institutions. Do they really think the UN, the WC, or the ICC will presume to try to take over the USA?

I mean, yeah, it would be good, mighty good, to get rid of Bush. But this won't do it. Street theater, like those silly war crime "trials" that radical professors are putting on all the time, that's all this is.

Why not something effective? Like, spending this time educating the sheeple instead of pissing them off? Like organizing for an effective turn-out of voters Like doing something about Diebold and other electoral fraud schemes.?

Know what I think? It's that it would actually be too much work, and not as fun as a good demonstration, some good beer, watching some pretty women and good-looking men, and singing "We shall Overcome" or "Imagine" or "Give Peace a Chance", or whatever is sung nowadays. I no longer go to demonstrations.

People: Election 2006 is our chance to begin to right the terrible wrongs committed by this administration. If that's what you want to do. Not March 15. Any effort spent on this, or impeachment, or calling on France and the UN to invade the USA and save us for the BFEE is WASTED EFFORT.

THINK OF THE ELECTION. IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE.


OK, sorry for the rant, but this is important, and we're going to miss it. Especially we have to do something about election fraud.

[EstimatedProphet]

2. Can it work? Sure.

It can work if enough people do it. If 500,000 people show up like they did in September and storm the White House, it will make the news-even this media couldn't ignore that.

[Burning Water]

13. Yeah, it would make

the news alright.

But Bush would still be in the White House. And If 500,000 stormed the WH with the President in it, there would be al lot of dead bodies around it. The government will not, it cannot, allow the President to be killed, or taken hostage, if they can possibly help it.

So, no, it won't work.

[EstimatedProphet]

19. Hypothetical situation

If 500,000 people stormed the White House, there would be a lot of dead protestors. Even if they were all unarmed, some would get through. If 500,000 armed people stormed the White House, it would come down in a big hurry. An extremely liberal estimate might be that there are 1,000 people guarding the White House. given the traffic flow and available space, they might be able to bring in another 5,000 soldiers to the area within an hour. 500,000 people is a lot of people.

This is of course hypothetical, Agent Mike...

On edit: Now, if you're asking me if this is a good idea, then I'd say no.

[Burning Water]

20. Hypothetically, maybe

First, you have to get the 500,000.

Then they have to be stoned, or liqueured up enough, to be willing to charge into blazing Marines.

Then, of course, assuming the Marines couldn't hold them while the Secret Service hustled the President to safety somewhere, what about attack helicopters.

Remember, these are unarmed protesters, not savvy Viet Cong, or even ruthless jihadis. They're massed up attacking a relatively small area. From my Army days, I remember my instructors telling us to keep spread out. "one grenade would get you all".

Nor do I think they would receive a lot of sympathy from the American people. Remember, they were trying to overthrow the "lawfully" elected government of "them, the people".

OK. I understand the rage. I feel it myself. But I much prefer to think with my brains, and not my guts. The electoral process is the only way that we have a chance to regain power and start to restore respect for the Constitution to this country and respect for the USA around the world.

[EstimatedProphet]

24. Here's the reason that I bring this up:

Then they have to be stoned, or liqueured up enough, to be willing to charge into blazing Marines.

Or angry enough. I don't think we are. What would it take to be that angry? War with Iran, on the context that the government has been building? Maybe nuking Iran? A nuke coming through our newly-outsourced ports? Imposition of martial law? It has happenned before-maybe not here to that extent, but there are cases where un- or poorly-armed people charge superior forces and overrun them. They just have to be angry enough to do so.

The fact is, there's some people in this country that are very angry indeed. I just don't know how many.

OK. I understand the rage. I feel it myself. But I much prefer to think with my brains, and not my guts. The electoral process is the only way that we have a chance to regain power and start to restore respect for the Constitution to this country and respect for the USA around the world.

Well, what if, like some people believe, the electoral process belongs to them now? What if the voting machine issue is every bit as serious as people suggest? Then is there no way that we can fix the system?

I don't buy that. The people that started this country were under a royal fiat, and had no representation, yet they started this country anyway. The argument isn't whether we can take the country back by force, it's whether we're at the point where it is appropriate.

But again, this is all hypothetical discussion Agent Mike...

[Burning Water]

26. Yes, all hypothetical.

But regardless of the level of anger necessary, by enough people, mind you, not just the few on DU, it won't be felt by March 15.

AS for your question about the electoral process belonging to them. Well, if it really does, we're screwed, no question. And no doubt there have been some shenanigans going on. But why don't we have the predicted landslides? Enough votes to make it impossible to successfully steal th election.

We've got to get out the vote and win. If we don't, I'm been to Canada and found it a pleasant enough country, if a trifle cold for me. Southern France might be nice.

[EstimatedProphet]

28. I agree with you there. It won't happen by March 15th

However, think of the level of anger now as compared to a year ago-it's MUCH higher.

As for the landslides-if they did have all the voting machines, then they would also still have to have a cover story. People won't believe huge landslide election losses with all this going on, so they put out media memes about 'Bush's base is 40%' etc. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't-if they run the polls and the media too, then who knows what it is?

The only thing we can do is work towards our goals. Whatever happens after that-well, who knows?

[PassingThrough]

3. Its the internet....

[marmar]

5. Perhaps not literally...

But figuratively... Personally, I don't want to get to close to that house of horrors. Lafayette Park is as close as I'll get — it's like a haunted house these days.

:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Burning Water]

16. Yeah, but "figuratively"

doesn't cut any ice. The election is the key.

[Richard Steele]

6. Well, if they are trying to give B*sh an excuse to declare martial law...

..then I would say YES, that plan has every chance of 'working'.

If they actually think this is gonna have
any sort of POSITIVE result, then they are as
deluded as the Freepers.

[Burning Water]

17. My sentiments, exactly n/t

[Katherine Brengle]

23. The citizens have the right to peaceably assemble and demand

redress of grievances in this country. How is exercising that right ever a bad idea?

[PassingThrough]

25. Storming in, seizing control and replacing the government is not

a peaceful assembly. :)

[Katherine Brengle]

31. I don't think this will really happen--but it may do the organizers

mental good to rally support in a radical way.

Also, sometimes, in the course of human events, revolution is necessary.

[Greeby]

7. Bad idea

More will die. The bastard doesn't have a battalion of men to fight an die for his protection for nothing

[donco6]

21. "Four Dead in Ohio" is running through my head.

Will it come to that?

[Faygo Kid]

9. It won't work. But it reflects the deep anger and understanding.

Many of us marched in Washington in 2002. Many of us marched in Detroit in 1970, for that matter. I wish it would work. It won't, but it reflects the deep anger and understanding of just what a horrible disaster this administration has been. Death, and destruction of American possibilities. That's its legacy.

[gristy]

15. I've been waiting for it to come to this

And to see UFPJ organizing it is promising.

[Burning Water]

18. Well, good luck

to them is all I have to say. But I think it will have a very negative impact on their (and our) cause.

[jwirr]

22. Please? I first read about this march on March 15 as a

march to coincide with the eviction of New Orleans survivors from FEMA housing. Who started this idea first? I was going to see if I could make it if it was for the FEMA protest but now that they have added all these other reasons I will have to reconsider. The last march was covered by Cspan and by the time it was over the watchers were saying "I thought this was a protest against the war, what are all these other people doing there". I think things like this will only work if we stay focused. If we dilute the message then we fail.

[Burning Water]

27. That's a good point.

And what I think we should be focused on is the election. Others, however, seem to have other ideas, as is their right.

[MiniMe]

29. "Beware the Ides of March"

Thats the first thing that came to mind when they said March 15.

[deutsey]

30. Watch "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"

Pay particular attention to the scene where McMurphy tries (and fails) to rip the water fountain out of the floor and throw it through the window.

Note that he says to everyone who laughs at him: "Well, at least I tried."

Apply here.