Scary experience I had at a RWer's house

[Rocknrule]

Last summer I was hanging out at a friend's gf's friend's house. All of them are conservative and he (my friend, not the other 2) is a good kid, but just like my dad and most of my other conservative friends, he just hasn't realized yet that his side is the dark side. Anyway, there was a mini-fridge in their basement littered with bumper stickers that absolutely scared the shit out of me. One had the backdrop of a Confederate flag and read "W.W.B.D?" (guess what THAT stands for :scared:) Another was a crossed-out pic of 2 gay stick figures having sex and read "Stop the spread of AIDS." But among the most disturbing was one that said "Welcome to America; Speak English or leave."

I didn't dare mention politics with them because judging from the fridge of hate, I thought they would probably shoot me or burn me at the stake if they found out I was a liberal. But most of all, I was tremendously saddened. The most powerful political ideology in America today revolves entirely around hatred of and the desire to kill anyone who doesn't look or think exactly like them. They don't merely see Bush as an agent of God, but God Himself in human form.

This is what we're up against, folks. The only difference between them and the Nazis is the death of 6 million Jews.

[deadparrot]

1. If he wants us to speak the original language of this land,

shouldn't we be speaking some sort of American Indian dialect?

[mdmc]

75. just curious, do the Dems have a native american plan?

some way of helping / assisting indians?

[Pryderi]

2. First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because

...I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

[mnhtnbb]

65. Actually, the sequence is...

He is most known for a single quotation – "First they came..." – a warning about the consequences not opposing tyranny at the first instances of its rising. The exact order of groups and wording are subject to dispute, and many versions exists. Here's one commonly accepted variant:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out.

German original:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.

From Wikipedia

[dysfunctional press]

3. W.W.B.D.-

if i saw that over a confederate flag background, my first instinct would be to interpret it as What Would Bubba Do?..."bubba" in the context of a generic " friendly term for a good ol' boy redneck.

[Blue Belle]

61. Well... it certainly isn't "What would Buhda do"...

:)

[benburch]

4. WWBD?

I can't even imagine.

[GOPBasher]

5. That's so awful. What does "W.W. B.D." stand for?

[Pirate Smile]

6. I didn't get it at first. Is that "What would Bush do?" substituting Bush

for Jesus? Wow, that is whacked.

[Rocknrule]

8. Yes

They think, in short, that Jesus is outdated (and too much of a peacenick and a commie) and that Bush is the "new and improved" Savior

[KT2000]

12. Holy Crap!

The brainwash is complete!

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. I want to leave this insane country. I really don't want to be here

with complete idiots such as these. I realize that they are the minority, still, they are vocal and have enough power to make changes I want no part of. And ** is evil, so in my book that makes morans like these, who think he is the "new and improved" SAVIOR, evil too.

[mnhtnbb]

66. Start making your plans now to get out

We've bought property in Panama and are building a house.

[neoblues]

29. So, the "What Wood 'Bubba' Do"... IS more or less right...

Or perhaps, "What Would Bozo Do?"--an appropos substitution for Bushling.

Others? Butthead, Buttwipe, Buttbreath, Buttbrain, Bigotboy, Bejesus,
BornBrainless, Banannas (for Cmdr. Cuckoo Banannas), BeerBreath,
Blossomluvr (referring to Turd-Blossom),,,

[sarcasmo]

35. Are you sure it's not What Would Bush Destroy.

[Cha]

37. That's what it is, sarcasmo..

That's what it is!

[sarcasmo]

39. I had never seen or heard that so I was just making sure that's what it

was, Thanks.

[neoblues]

44. Even Better. n/t.

[FormerDittoHead]

45. Quite appropriate for a beer fridge, eh? n/t

[depakid]

7. The difference is in degree, not in kind

These people are in fact, nothing less than Fascists.

In objective political science terms- tick off the checklist, and there's no denying it. In sociological terms- all of the markers are there.

Funny though- how it's always those types who holler and whine the loudest when "their" rights are "violated." The very one's that they work tirelessly to deny everyone else.

[Pryderi]

10. Maybe we should do, "political interventions"? Like people do for drug

addicts and alcoholics...

[FreedomAngel82]

9. I guess they skipped out on US history class huh?

[CowTow]

11. roflmao!

thanks for the chuckle on a dull sunday afternoon! (you better done git you a bodyguard, sonny! hahahahaha!)

i've always said that du-ers have the best sense of humor in the world -- we know just how to take things and make lemonade out of lemons!

no matter how down I feel, someone here always makes me feel like we have hope.

[CountAllVotes]

15. funny?

I don't find any of this funny.

What it is is an example of a closet bigot. They must hide their signs behind doors for none to see.

They will not last for they cannot reveal themselves as they are so horrifying inside of themselves. Maybe they think they have some fooled, but not everyone is.

These types of bigots die with their hatred and are the types that rot in hell for being evil IMO.

Funny? Yeah right. :argh:

[Iris]

13. "fridge of hate"

well said.

What's really sad is when you look further and see other things that are related to this hate and rigid conformity. Like the kids who beat homeless men to death in FL and even the level of consumer debt - the debt Americans are willing to take on to have a McMansion just like their neigbhors or an SUV just like their neighbors or a $10,000 "princess party" for their 5 yr. olds birthday. The RW talks about family values, but from what I can see, most people value very little.

[Rocknrule]

16. Sometimes, I think with the current environment in America

that if the OKC bombing occured today, McVeigh would not only get away with it, but be treated as an American hero

[sui generis]

19. only if the building was full of liberals or gays or food for the poor.

nt

[Rocknrule]

27. Well McVeigh was a RWer

so it would've been perfectly OK

I'll bet alot of * voters do see him as a martyr

[Norquist Nemesis]

76. Or if he switched his target to the NYT ala Coulter

Then they'ld be dancing in the streets with Faux Views captioning "NYT bombed to smitherines. Can this be a good thing?"

[debyoutaunt]

72. That is absolutely absurd.

I know and work with many rightwingers. However I disagree with their politics, I would NEVER accuse them of something as horrible, unfair, and biased as rooting for McVeigh.

That's totally nonsense and without proof of any kind. I've never read anything lousier.

[July]

79. Anne Coulter did, indeed, say that her only regret with McVeigh

was that he didn't hit the NYT building.

Easy to find by googling if you don't believe me.

[Iris]

92. You expect the sheep to do research?

He's just gonna wait until Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity brings it up.


But I'm beating a dead horse.

[July]

93. I'm not doing their homework for them, that's for sure.

If they want to stay in the dark, that's their problem.

[Iris]

94. Unfortunately, it's become a problem for all of us - including the

rest of the world!

But I know what you mean ;)

[MADem]

36. I have to say, I found that an artful phrase as well!!! n/t

[debyoutaunt]

71. To be fair...

John Kerry has 5 'McMansions', easily owns more than one SUV, and rides a $6000 'princess party' mountain bike--likewise Ted Kennedy, the Deans, Dianne Feinstein etc.--so I assume you are complaining about them, too.......

[July]

78. Not so sure the Deans have the kind of wealth you're talking about,

but why does your list only mention wealthy Democrats?

Start with Bush and Cheney and keep going if you want to talk about multimillionaires with expensive homes, guns, bikes, etc.

[Iris]

91. I assume you've been tombstoned.

[napi21]

14. I agree with you on everything except the "speak english" one.

My son accepted a job in Sicily. The FIRST thing I told him was "You know you have to learn Italian don't you?"

I really don't see the speak english thing as racist, hatered, or idolical. To succeed in any country, you have to adapt to their culture and language. Sure there are many from Mexico who now have jobs here, but they're taken advantage of by the AHs that hire them. It's impossible to communicate with most people, wether they be your neighbors, co-workers, or even the people who oppose you being here.

BTW, my son did learn Italian. He's certainly not as fluent as a native, but he learned the language because he HAD to to survive as a resident in their country.

I don't understand why so many of you have a problem with that!

[dysfunctional press]

17. the immigrants who came here from europe in the 1800's-

they knew that the first and best thing they could do was to learn to speak the language- and they were PROUD to do so.

[sui generis]

30. actually, there was no "national" language

German and American were used equally, with an overwhelmingly German immigrant population in the midwest. The British descendants of the northeast thought the dirty poor Germans and Irish were the worst thing that could happen to the U.S. at the time and wanted to close down ellis island to keep more poor immigrants from taking jobs and driving wages down.

Sounds like. . . .we're still at it.

[kineneb]

64. yup.

the great-grandparents spoke German until WWI, great-greatgrandfather came here in 1851, fought in Union army, had farm in Kansas, etc.

[dysfunctional press]

73. and there still isn't...technically.

but english has always been the obvious defacto "national language". and yes- there were -and still are, lots of pockets of people's who have kept their language, and as much culture as they realistically can from their respective homelands-
but it has also always been the practice that if you want to participate in the American economy- out of all the languages- you're much better off if you can speak english.

[LizMoonstar]

20. I agree. but i know as a language major i may be biased....

I think it's important for us to make information available to people in whatever language they need, but i also think that it's an important cultural move to learn to speak the language of the country you're living in. i wouldn't tell people to leave because that's just reprehensible, and i understand it's a hard thing to do, but i have a lot more respect for those who come here (or go anywhere) and at least try to learn than those who refuse (and yes i know it's not always refusal, but there is a distinct difference between lack of opportunity and lack of caring.)

if i spoke a language that would do any good in volunteering to teach ESL classes, I'd be there like a shot, but I don't think there's much demand for french speakers.

[sui generis]

24. buon giorno!

Of course, but there will always be immigrants who haven't yet learned the language but still live here. Some of them are learning, and others will never learn, but you can't enforce it. Did your son learn conversational Italian BEFORE he went?

In principle you are correct - and we should have an immigration policy that requires some proficiency in language and a working knowledge of the political system and some loose cultural 'norms'. No goddamn goats or chickens in your back yard in the burbs, and it would be nice if you could tell the 911 operator that your house is on fire or the dog chewed your kids lips off in English.

Having said all that it amazes me that Americans don't have a required second language in school. Most of the time, people who sport those kinds of bumper stickers are not interested in making the world run smoother - it's an overt expression of xenophobia.

[napi21]

47. No my son did not learn conversational Italian before he left here.

Actually there wasn't much time to do that. But he DID make the effort to learn once he got there. And NO, it's not easy!

I guess my point is, I lived in San Antonio for 6 years, and although there were MANY Mexican people who learned to communicate in English, there were also a lot who didn't want to bother making the effort.

I now live in Ga. and I cannot walk onto a new home building site and find ANYONE who can communicate at all! If the on site supervisor isn't there, TS!

[Solon]

49. Ehh...technically it should be the reverse...

I may be hazy on my history, but wasn't Texas Mexican territory? Also, isn't it true that many Latinos that live in Texas and the rest of the Southwest actually have many towns where the predominate language is Spanish? If so, what is wrong with that?

[napi21]

51. Absolutely. Texas was Mexican territory at one time.

There are some who want to give it back!

And yes there are communities in TX where Spanish is the 1st language. There is nothing wrong with that.

The problems happen when people try to blend into the rest of the country.

If I went to visit my son in Sicily, I wouldn't be able to even go to the store to buy food! If I had an emergency, I wouldn't be able to tell anyone what was wrong. I would have to depend on my son to do that for me. If he wasn't around, I'd be in deep DODO.

[Solon]

52. That's true of any first generation immigrant to any nation...

where they move into an area where their language isn't spoken. This is an old complaint, and with few exceptions, like de facto bilingual areas, usually the native language is ursuped by the adopted language within three generations.

[napi21]

54. I don't have a problem with that, except most of the immigration

we are talking about began several generations ago. You can't continue saying that none of the new immigrants will learn the English language and it will take until their grand children for that family to adapt.

[Solon]

57. Actually, I said there were exceptions...

I can think of two off the top of my head that applies to the United States, Chinatowns and Mexican and Latino towns and Neighborhoods. You can also apply this to many other Ethnic neighborhoods, but not all the time. For example, most immigrants to the United States in the mid to late 19th century were of European descent. This is important, because the first generational waves were of people that spoke almost no English, and many, like the Irish, weren't even Protestant, so the Know-nothings rose in popularity. However, though many places had signs like "No Irish Need Apply", this actually didn't last longer than a generation, maybe two. The reason was that many of these people had a much easier time blending in with a majority Anglo/German population. This is key, because, unlike concurrent and later groups, like the Chinese and Mexicans, these groups were only TEMPORARILY sent to the fringes. This isn't true of either of the other groups, while the Chinese immigrants and the Irish were busy building the Intercontinental Railroad, the Mexicans along the Southwestern areas of the country were ostracized and were wise not to leave their own towns and neighborhoods. Many of them were there longer than Anglo descended peoples, and they stay in many cases to this day, especially in the border towns where families straddle the border quite easily. Up until relatively recently, both groups, the Chinese and Mexican Americans were and are still ostracized and sent to the fringes of the Majority Anglo American majority. This, in addition to sometimes constant influxes of new immigrants, actually hinders so called assimilation. Another example would be a people that were Americans since the nation's birth, but not citizens till after the Civil War. African Americans, to a large extent, even today, were what you would call "Resident Aliens" it wasn't until the smashing of Jim Crow in the South that their communities actually had a real opportunity to assimilate with the larger culture.

This isn't to say that assimilation is necessarily one sided, in fact, that is far from the truth. A classic example would be foods that developed in this country due to both inventive immigrants and good marketing. Three I can think of off the top of my head are, Toasted Ravioli, Fortune Cookies, Most Americans don't even KNOW this is not a Chinese food, same would be said for all fried food at Chinese restaurants too. The last being Tex-Mex, which is excellent, I must say, I love spicy and foods with zing! Actually, that's another thing that people don't seem to realize, is the influence that even just first generation immigrants have on not only our food, but culture and language as well. Hell, English, being a bastardization of Ancient Germanic, with a little of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc. in it, no wonder its one of the hardest languages in all the world to understand. For us, it comes easily, for new Immigrants that come from languages that are more consistent, its pretty foreign. I before E except after C, but that isn't true either, look at Seize as an example of that. To be honest, this is a fools errand, we cannot legislate language or culture, and we shouldn't even try, its frankly a waste of time.

Basically all we should do is really do what we did in the past, do nothing and see where everything lies. Given the demographic changes happening in this nation, it wouldn't surprise me if changes in both language and culture here is accelerated, but only if we don't further alienate recent immigrants with constrictive laws and draconian practices. With those changes come new opportunities, who knows, maybe a new language, a conglomerate of Spanish and English will arise from this change, but again, only if we don't Balkanize the nation. Just another example of our changes since the nation was founded, you think the Founding Fathers would have understood what "Balkanize" means?

[Solon]

59. Began, but didn't end...

Look, the standard immigration situation is this:

First Generation: Knows little of the nation's language beyond hi, bye, etc.
Second Generation(Natural Born, brought here as small children): Mostly Bi-Lingual, usually speaks the Mother Tongue at home and the adopted language outside of home.
Third Generation: Knows little of Mother Tongue, almost certainly monolingual with nation they live in.

Now there are exceptions, like I said, there are areas of the nation, in many towns and cities, where not a word of English will be spoken on any given day, this includes Chinatowns, Border towns, little Italy, and many other areas. Now, another exception are those in other nations that are largely Bi-Lingual in their own nation as a default, this includes immigrants from India and many places in Europe along with other former English colonies and other places like Liberia in Africa.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

68. The reason you're seeing so many non-English speaking Latinos

is because of sheer numbers of new arrivals.

For one thing, there aren't enough ESL classes to accommodate everyone who wants to learn, and most people find it impossible to just "pick up" a language if they're much past adolescence. (Foreign language learning peaks just before puberty and declines with age.)

Sorry, your average adult of any nationality isn't just going to magically start speaking English just by being here. My great-grandmother came here as an adult in 1899, never had any formal instruction in English, stuck to the German community, learned to understand English pretty well but until her death in 1971, spoke a mixture of German and English.

People who emigrate to Israel are required to take intensive Hebrew classes before they're allowed to settle anywhere. We could have a system like that here, but it would cost money to provide ESL classes for all the immigrants.

We'd rather gripe about "those lazy immigrants who refuse to learn English" than fund sufficient ESL classes for them.

In most cases, the immigrants are not "refusing" to learn English. They may be illegal and afraid to show their faces in public, they may have had no education in their home country, they may be working two jobs just to survive, or there may be a tremendously long waiting list for beginning English classes.

The good news is that their children learn English, and quite rapidly.

[Bridget Burke]

83. If you get a chance to go to Sicily, don't be a DODO!

Get a simple phrase book, at least. That way, you could go to the store. Or get help, if needed. You get angry when "foreigners" here don't speak English, but you wouldn't even pick up a few phrases in Italian to make your visit better?

Of course, if you already know Spanish, Italian will be easier.

[SmokingJacket]

26. It's not the sentiment so much, as the rudeness.

A relative of mine died recently, having lived here 80 years (!!!) but barely getting by in English. She was an old-world housewife and lived in a city immigrant community. She wasn't hurting anyone by refusing to learn English; it was her choice.

Personally, I do think a person should learn the language of the country they live in, but this is a FREE country, and we don't go around bullying people to make them fit our ideas of how to live.

Stickers saying "Speak English or Get Out!" are barely disguised bigotry.

[Rocknrule]

28. I don't think it's "disguised" bigotry at all

I think it's pretty much out in the open

[neoblues]

33. Well said... and in English too! n/t.

[Peace Patriot]

32. It wasn't the advice, napi21, it is the tone: Do this (speak English) or

or leave! Leave the country! And here's a boot up your ass to help you along!

And what kind of thing is that to put on a bumper sticker? It is not meant kindly. It is not meant as helpful. Someone who would put that on a bumper sticker would not favor HIS tax dollars going for ESL classes. It is meant as a mean, insulting, excluding, racist provocation.

How would you feel if you had to work in another country--say, China, or Mexico, or Italy--and you saw that bumper sticker: Speak Chinese, or leave! Speak Spanish, or leave! Speak Italian, or leave!

How would you feel?

The funny part is that it was written in English!

[napi21]

48. Oh I understand that, and that language is wrong!

There's always some radicals on every issue and that's what you're seeing on those bumper stickers. I really don't think the majority of American feel that way, but I do think most have the opinion that if you can't speak at least a little of the local language, you'll find it very difficult to survive.

One poster mentioned a call to 911. I KNOW not all 911 operators are multi-lingual.

There's the other issue I've read about that in MY hospitals, the Mgmt. is struggling to have translators for over 100 different languages just so they can treat their patients.

I'm really not trying to be anti immigrant here, but their survival depends on communication. I just wish I knew how to communicate that to the immigrants.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

69. Realistically speaking, napi, are you expecting people to postpone

their illnesses until after they've learned English?

I have to emphasize that you're seeing mostly new arrivals and that their circumstances may not allow them to learn English on your timetable.

You know, Japan is not as uptight about this. They publish emergency and other information in English, Chinese, Korean, and (of all things) Brazilian Portuguese (descendants of Japanese immigrants to Brazil have come there to work), and I've never heard anyone complain about it. Maybe the difference is that all Japanese under the age of sixty or so have studied English at some point in their lives (even if they've forgotten it), so they know that there's no way you can learn a foreign language instantly.

[neoblues]

40. Yeah, but...

It is/was a free country... there is no law requiring people learn English--if they want to fit in, if they want to succeed, they will learn it... but to make the implied threat "or leave" (or at least to state that they aren't welcome) isn't called for. If they don't make such efforts, they're just making it harder on themselves--we don't need to add to their troubles.

However, I do agree that funds (at least public funds) should not necessarily (I'm sure there are reasonable exceptions) be spent making excessive numbers of bi-lingual signs, forms, or automated telephony applications. Oh, and by the way, what happens in Italy or elsewhere isn't particularly relevant--and in most cases, they're not so rude as the bumper sticker.

[Wetzelbill]

55. what it is is they don't believe in cultural pluralism

they don't understand the concept that you can be say both Mexican and American. That you can speak both Spanish and English regularly. They also hate the fact that people have trouble learning a new language. They want them to speak English, yet don't want to provide viable resources for new immigrants to learn the language properly. It's racist, because it really isn't about adapting to a new culture for them, it's about belittling a person's heritage. Minorities are fair game to these people anyway, but cultural differences frighten them. It's really an odd thing to see. They can't grasp that concept of pluralism, to them it's archaic as they have no identifiable history or language themselves. They're soft, typically, and don't understand what it's like to struggle or to be culturally different. That ignorance breeds a certain amount of hate or disdain.

[JanMichael]

67. Oh for Zorb's sake...Most adults that I deal with are trying to learn...

...English. It isn't so fucking easy with the availible resources. Their kids usually do anyway. I imagine your son, like me in Poland a very few years ago, will find that he doesn't need to be fluent or even passable in italian as I didn't need to in Poland. Remember he and I went to those countries in a different position (Ie. from money or working for money) than most South American immigrants that this "English only" bullshit is aimed at.

This is such a red-herring argument...It pains me to see it on DU.

But then again it should not shock me.

[Bridget Burke]

81. The first immigrant generation often has problems learning English.

Some are the grandmas & grandpas. Others are the parents working two jobs; still, any free or cheap English as a Second Language class fills really fast--especially if it's in the evening. But the children learn English in school.

Another clue: Some of those people you hear speaking Spanish to each other can also speak fairly good English. The English language is alive & well. But Spanish has been spoken in some parts of the USA since before they were parts of the USA. It is not going to disappear any time soon.

In Houston, we've got immigrants from just about anywhere. Not just from Mexico--or Central America. And they all want to learn English, too. In the meantime, they are getting on with their lives.

[Tsiyu]

85. You don't understand?

Well, when my xenophobic former friend went to Mexico, they spoke English to accommodate her! She appreciated that! So why is she outraged that Spanish-speaking people use their native language HERE?

When i went to the Netherlands, they spoke English for my benefit. They did not tell me to "Speak Dutch or don't speak."

People with this "English only" shit should NEVER travel outside the US. They take but will not give.

[sui generis]

18. you may not be confrontational yourself but

you do owe it to yourself to tell your friend some time that it bothered you and see where the chips fall. I would be hard pressed to claim friendship with any social conservative, much less a self described "conservative" who blindly allies him or herself with Our Great Pretzeldent, you know, that guy who can't even ride a bike or be trusted alone in a room with pretzels.

What would Bush do? Probably crash his tricycle again.

[Rocknrule]

22. Well as far as I recall

he and I have only had one political debate. Like alot of conservatives, he comes from a very religious family and is in fact currently studying to become a minister. I told him how Pope John Paul thought * was the Antichrist and he of course blew that off because, "the Antichrist is supposed to be born in the east and W was born in the west" or something like that. I responded by saying that the only reason I didn't think it was true was because the AC is supposed to get the whole world to follow him, and Bush only has the support of 2% of the world.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

70. Bush was born in Connecticut

That's the East. :evilgrin:

[Gabi Hayes]

21. why didn't you ask those hard asses why they're still HERE?

and not over in Iraq, so we don't have to fight the terra-ists in our back yards?

[AlCzervik]

23. i have a very good friend but her mil is an awful Bush harpy

at Thanksgiving she had a 1/2 a glass of wine and then started railing about Clinton--"He was americas first black president because only THOSE PEOPLE would vote for him", and she went on and on, he son trued to excuse her behavior with the wine, bullshit, that wine just showcased her true self. Anyhow, she's said some other choice things since then and i cannot stand to be around her so yesterday friend calls me and invites us over to her house for dinner and then she mentions her mil will be there, "Oh thanks just the same but we've got a science project to finish" now thats no lie but we could have taken a break and gone to her house. So my friend finally says "Is is because of my mil?" "yes it is, i don't want my kid around that talk or around someone who actually believes that way, i'm sorry but thats how it is."

My Friend is cool, she can't control what her mil says and yes she was a little hurt that i won't go over there when she's around but ultimately i don't want me or my kid to spend time with people like that.

[ThoughtCriminal]

25. W.W.M.D.

What Would Moe Do?

[PassingFair]

43. What would Scooby Do?

Saw this on a liberal's car the other day.

Made me smile! :)

[Solon]

58. Best I can think of...

W.W.I.D. What Would I Do? That is the only question that truly matters.

[HamdenRice]

31. Why do you hate our freedom?

complaining and all?

[sarcasmo]

34. The Nazi way of thinking and they have most Nascar fans hook line and

sinker.

[Peace Patriot]

38. RocknRule, some thoughts...

Did it occur to you that someone decent in that household had hidden the bumper stickers there--to maybe speak to the person who brought them into the house, and advise against them?

Just asking. Are you spooking yourself unnecessarily.

There is overwhelming evidence that most Americans are progressives, and that people with these kinds of attitudes are a minority--the same small minority they always have been. We all get a little spooked sometimes--by what the corporate news monopolies promote, and what the Bush junta inspires in some people. But I assure you that the evidence of what most Americans believe is truly overwhelmingly against that minority. Be comforted. And find some of the good people to hang out with. There are lots and lots of us. We just have to restore transparent elections and our right to vote--and we can put some good folks in office again, and turn things around at the government level.

[Rocknrule]

53. I did see some cowardice in what they did

since the stickers weren't on their cars for the whole world to see

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. I know those scary experiences.

Too intimately. I think a Jeb Bush crony will be building next to me and someone must have told him I was a Liberal. I see the man on the soccer fields and he & his wife send darts at me. He's about to build a half million dollar house and his surveyor doesn't have the property stakes in right. I don't think that's an accident.

[kevinbgoode]

46. Ah...those are the real American traitors. . .

willing to shove off blame onto any group of other people because they are too weak and insecure to face their own shortcomings. They live in fear, and those stickers are their reaction to that paranoia.

[Cleita]

50. Considering the death rate under this administration, it

may not be long when they start closing in on that 6 million figure of the Nazis. If we let them attack Iran and Syria, there will be nukes involved I'm afraid.

[ComerPerro]

56. A lot of people forget that the Nazis had about 10 good years

to build up Hitler's regeime.

And they were able to do it relatively quickly because of the lack of information channels like the internet. It was easier to spread their propaganda and supress any conflicting views.

The Bush Administration has only had about 5 years, and have to contend with sites like this when catapulting their propaganda.

But, if you think about it, they have made a lot of progress so far.


So, when people say, "we aren't the Nazis", they are correct. The Nazis had more time to build...

Give us five years. We will be the Nazis

[Ksec]

60. Im a tough guy/ I work out regularly and fear not

I love to challenge these types. I avoid any physical confrontations but I definetly give my opinions and dont hold my tongue if someone in the room seems extremely political.
Im not a redneck although Im sure some of you will say otherwise. I just dont hold back. If there were more like me the stereotypes that were a bunch of "" would go by by. I dont start trouble . I just give my opinions without fear.

[Cleita]

63. It also helps if you are the biggest SOB in the weight room.

Most of us don't have that luxury. I noticed that I was always a lot mouthier when my husband was around when he was in his prime. He was a tall Irishman who knew his way around a street fight. No he never got physical either. He didn't have to, no matter which RW asshole I pissed off.

Anyway, I'm not criticizing you, just making an observation and by all means keep up the good work while you can.

:-)

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

62. Filled with love and tolerance, aren't they?

[mdmc]

74. and the Dems want to tri-angulate

thanks for the story!:kick:

[BlueIris]

77. The Fridge of Hate sounds HORRIFYING.

Is it wrong that I'm kinda laughing at "Fridge of Hate" just as an expression. I think I may have to steal that one, even if I (thankfully) will never have cause to use it as I am not likely to be around such an abomination in the future.

[bullwinkle428]

86. Perfect parody of the new Budweiser commercial - a bunch of

Freepers gathered in a semi-circle around this refrigerator plastered with hate-filled bumper stickers, chanting "fridge of hate...fridge of hate...fridge of hate..."

[mattclearing]

80. "the fridge of hate" LOL! n/t

[banana republican]

82. 5,900,000 Jews Don't forget the 100,000 Iraqi's

[sui generis]

87. not just jews

2500 Catholic priests, hundreds of thousands of gays and possibly more than a million other gypsies, "defectives" (mentally ill or retarded) and political dissidents.

Sorry - it wasn't just all about the jews, we forget.

[dorkulon]

84. 6 million dead Jews is kind of a big difference.

[ridgerunner]

88. W.W.B.D.= What Would Bocephus Do

Now I won't swear that I'm right about this cause I've never actually seen the bumper sticker in question, but I probably am. And Bocephus is Hank Williams Jr's nickname.

http://www.hankjr.com/

[BurningDog]

89. As much as I hate to ask...

How can you tell that they were gay stick figures?

[Rocknrule]

90. They appeared to be engaged in...you know, a "gay act"