2008 presidential primary poll (again)

[JohnnyCougar]

I haven't seen one of these lately, but I do want to get a feel for the undercurrents of who DU supports. Kos does these polls every month, and they seem to be changing.

Note: I didn't include Al Gore, because he says he is not running, and it looks like he won't. I know a bunch of people want to vote for him, and for good reason, but I don't think he will be on the ballot.

[Adelante]

1. Wes Clark nt

[WI_DEM]

54. If McCain is the nominee then I think Clark would be the best

candidate to go up against him. McCain is very popular with Indies and I think Clark can blunt that appeal. Plus McCain will run very hard on his "War hero" status and Clark has his own very distinguished military record.

[Adelante]

56. OMG! You published a book!!

Congratualtions - that is so great! :toast:

[WI_DEM]

57. Thank you!

I appreciate that.

[Adelante]

58. I am so proud of you

:pals:

[Mythsaje]

2. I think Clark has the right credentials

Even though I like a lot of what Edwards has to say.

Russ Feingold isn't bad, but I don't think he's got it.

The rest?

Nope.

[WildEyedLiberal]

3. Kerry/Clark 2008

Or, Kerry/Obama 2008. Either would rock.

[dysfunctional press]

4. seeing as almost nobody had even HEARD of Bill Clinton before 1992-

these kinds of polls are worthless at best.

and a time/energy wasting distraction that can cause hard feelings and divisiveness among the ranks at worst...

[JohnnyCougar]

7. I don't think this causes divisiveness.

Narrow minded people cause divisiveness, not polls.

I doubt that anyone who gets into an argument over a primary will really leave the Democratic party, anyways.

[MADem]

5. I actually want to hear from ALL of them

There are several on that list I could easily get behind!

[gizmo1979]

6. I'd kind of like to see

Obama.maybe in 2012.

[JohnnyCougar]

11. Hopefully not in 2012...

That would mean the Republicans will have won in 2008.

I hope to see the Democratic incumbent running in 2012. :)

[gizmo1979]

59. Right what was I thinking.nt

[Dinger]

8. Clark Is THE Silver Bullet To The Neocons, But

that isn't the main reason I'll vote for him WHEN HE RUNS IN '08. . . .
He will have been instrumental in the Dems, (even with DIEbold), taking Congress back, BOTH houses.
He has leadership, diplomatic , and foreign policy experience like few others, and he has real compassion too. He is the total package. He is (to me and some others) a national treasure. He is, like Michael Moore said (slight paraphrasin here) what a kid would expect a real president to be. GO WES GO!

[gristy]

9. What kind of a speaker is Feingold?

Can he kick butt?

[ThomWV]

12. Absolutly Kick Butt

Russ can kick with the very very best of them. He's definitly a contender. I vote for Clark, but Russ is a very close second and those positons could reverse.

Actually I will cast my vote for Al Gore - or at least I pray I am allowed to once again.

[JohnnyCougar]

13. Well, I wouldn't exactly classify him as charismatic.

But he's not bad, either. He seems to connect with people in a pragmatic, no bullshit kind of way. He comes off as very honest, intelligent, and straightforward.

[radio4progressives]

74. That's what Feingold Does Best, He Kicks Ass ..

You should check into C-span when he's on the Floor. In the rare moments he's interviewed in the M$M - he is no mealy mouth, equivicater - Feingold shoots so straight and clean i think that's why they don't ask him to appear in the MSM talk shows.

They only want the usual suspects who couldn't tell you the time of day in one or two words if their lives depended on it. that way the Dems can continue to appear sound stupid, and look inept.

[ThomWV]

10. MSM Says Hillary Is Way Out In Front Among Democrats

Bwahahahahahahahahahahah

[Katherine Brengle]

71. I think a lot of this is name-recognition-----

I have been reading a lot about this, and I think that more Americans know who she is, and know that she is a Democrat, than really know anything about her personally.

I think that if the public starts getting information about Feingold and Clark that we will see Clinton's numbers drop drastically, and very quickly.

She just isn't the kind of Democrat that we need in the Oval.

[AndyA]

14. Wes Clark concerns me now

That I've heard about his connection with the Arkansas company that is in bed with the NSA now. He seems like he might be connected to the "good ole boy network" that we so desparately need to break up in this country.

John Kerry had his chance, and I voted for him, but it seems like my vote wasn't important enough for him to fight for. He gave up, in spite of the election fraud accusations. Bush sure didn't give up when the 2000 elections were in question, even with Al Gore getting the popular vote. Oh no, all the way to the Supreme Court we go.

Kerry gave up to easily. He should have made Bush squirm a bit more. He should have brought attention to the sneaky private elections system that's now in place. We need transparent elections. PERIOD.

Russ Feingold seems like a guy that won't be forced into someone else's opinion, even if he's the only one outside the circle. That takes character, and that's certainly something we need more of in politics these days!

[JohnnyCougar]

16. Yup...

There's only one guy who voted against both the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. And his name is Russ Feingold.

[cascadiance]

32. And Feingold voted against the Telecomm Act too

That tried to give us the unconstitutional Communications Decency Act, as well as helping the media consolidation that gave us those big thorns like Clear Channel, Sinclair Broadcasting, Newscorp, etc. Only Leahy and McCain also did that in the existing congress.

[Katherine Brengle]

72. Feingold is going to be our guy--it's just a matter of time. n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

18. Are those "election fraud accusations" provable?

There's a big difference between accusations and evidence. You can't do shit without evidence. When you're down by 100,000 votes, you need a smoking gun to contest ANYTHING.

So, do you have that smoking gun? You must, since you seem so free to sit here and judge Kerry.

Why wasn't more done about our election system before 2004? Why place blame on Kerry for being the victim of another robbery? Why did the DNC not fight for transparent elections after 2000?

And where's the smoking gun?

[Jai4WKC08]

19. Source please?

Clark was involved with Acxiom for about a short while back in 2001-2002 (before CAPSII). But I've seen nothing that links Acxiom to NSA or their domesitic wiretapping.

Personally, I don't believe the NSA searches have anything to do with data mining. I think that's a red herring the Bushies want us to buy. I agree with former CIA whistle blower Larry Johnson that the tip-off sources are probably derived from torture and that's why they don't want to submit the searches to FISA review. But if there is data-mining involved, it's not the open source data that Acxiom stores for private industry.

[ClayZ]

20. Wes Clark .... a wolf in sheeps clothing?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x525580
I hate to do this folks but I have a feeling that the Gen. is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
I hope I'm wrong . I really like the guy .

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles8/DVNS_Wesley-Cla...

* Clark Worked for Personal Data Firm: Acxiom Role Part of Airline Passenger Privacy Debate (posted 9/27) The Washington Post, September 27, 2003

Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark helped an Arkansas information company win a contract to assist development of an airline passenger screening system, one of the largest surveillance programs ever devised by the government. Starting just after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Clark sought out dozens of government and industry officials on behalf of Acxiom Corp., a data powerhouse that maintains names, addresses and a wide array of personal details about nearly every adult in the United States and their households, according to interviews and documents. Clark, a Democrat who declared himself a presidential candidate 10 days ago, joined Acxiom’s board of directors in December 2001. He earned $300,000 from Acxiom last year and was set to receive $150,000, plus potential commissions, this year, according to financial disclosure records. He owns several thousand shares of Acxiom stock worth more than $67,000. Clark’s consulting role at Acxiom puts him near the center of a national debate over expanded government authority to use personal data and surveillance technology to fight the war on terrorism and protect homeland security. . . . (read more)

This is one of the companys that was on Russerts interveiw with Risen.


http://www.acxiom.com /


http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles8/DVNS_Wesley-Clark.htm


http://www.acxiom.com/

[Jai4WKC08]

23. Do you mean the Jan 8th interview?

I'm looking at the transcript of Russert and Risen (starts at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10721401/page/4/ ) and I don't see Acxiom mentioned anywhere.

Like I said above, I don't think Acxiom has anything to do with the NSA wiretapping, and in any case, Clark hasn't been working for them for quite some time now. He got involved shortly after 9/11 because they came to him when they found that a number of the 9/11 hi-jackers turned out to be in Acxiom's data base, which is all open source info--nothing like NSA would use. There's really nothing sinister about it.

[FrenchieCat]

31. First link was locked as flamefest...but folks should read it anyways

to the end, of course.

In addition, Dissident Voice was whoring for the Extreme left....and what they have there is what the GOP had on their site. The extremes meet.....for sure!

[xkenx]

68. Actually, Wes Clark wears a different disguise.

2008 is all about flipping a few red states into our column. Hillary certainly can't do it. Wes Clark is a progressive wolf in military uniform sheep's clothing. Many Republicans who didn't care for Bush, still couldn't vote for Kerry. Clark was the only Dem. they could consider. Clark has had more EXECUTIVE leadership roles than any Senator by virtue of his military commands where he had responsibility for the lives of hundreds of thousands of servicepeople and their dependents--the whole range of housing, education, training, healthcare, social services, sometimes in a dangerous spot. When Clark was Supreme Allied Commander Europe (Eisenhower's last military position), he had "Head-of-State" status, meaning that he dealt directly with prime ministers/presidents, not underlings. And Clark was virtually the only voice urging help for Rwanda. And Clark and Madeleine Albright were the ones who convinced Clinton to take action against the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, where Clark carried out the military action w/o the loss of a single American life. In this he stood up to the Pentagon brass who wanted nothing to do with "saving Albanians." And it was Clark who served for more than 30 years AFTER getting shot up and winning hero medals in Vietnam, when he could have gone for the big bucks in private industry. Try Swift Boating this guy--the smackdown will be heard around the world. Clark is all about duty, honor, country. When Clark's American Dream/American Hero story gets out to middle America, watch how many red states flip. And the beauty of Wes Clark is that HE IS A REAL LIVE D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T, with a progressive agenda equal to anyone.

[FrenchieCat]

30. FYI

http://blogs.salon.com/0002556/2003/09/28.html

PS. Clark's not in bed with anybody.....but in particular NOT with the Good Ol' Boys. You would know that if you had paid closer attention to the Dem Primaries in 2004!


Shit, the way you made it sound, it almost sounds like a "whisper campaign"!

[zulchzulu]

35. Ever read this letter from Conyers about Kerry/Edwards?

"...That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor."

- John Conyers

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm

"Kerry gave up to easily"? Pay attention. The game is still on.

[Leopolds Ghost]

36. Don't expect the "Kerry gave up my vote" folks to press the argument

For some reason they never do.

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. You can relax, Clark's in the clear. Actually, better than that

The Author of "No Place to Hide", Robert O'Harrow Jr., fully vouches for Clark and the brief work he did on behalf of Axiom regarding screening plane passengers for possible terrorists trying to board immediately after 911 (I assume that's what you are talking about - Clark hasn't worked with them for years)

Here is a link to a web site put up by O'Harrow and the Center for Investigative Journalism in case you are not familiar with O'Harrow's work:
http://www.noplacetohide.net/

Here's what O'Harrow had to say about Clark and his involvement with Axiom at this conference held in 2003:

"“NO PLACE TO HIDE: WHERE THE DATA REVOLUTION MEETS HOMELAND SECURITY”

MODERATOR:
P. J. CROWLEY, SENIOR FELLOW, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS

FEATURING:
GENERAL WESLEY K. CLARK
JAMES X. DEMPSEY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY
NUALA O’CONNOR KELLY, CHIEF PRIVACY OFFICER, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
ROBERT O’HARROW, JR., REPORTER, WASHINGTON POST; AUTHOR, NO PLACE TO HIDE

ROBERT O’HARROW:
"...There is a guy that I think many of us in the room respect and admire deeply, General Clark, and he serves as a great example of someone who was deeply involved in representing a company called Axiom. And Axiom was one of those companies that responded with – I know that from my reporting – very patriotic motives. They had a lot of that as a marketer and they shared it and they shared it to good effect; it helped. They also saw ways that they could change their business model and become part of the security industrial complex. And one of the people that was helping open doors for Axiom in Washington was General Clark. The reason I raise that is because I kept finding that General Clark got to places before I did and people spoke admiringly of his ability to say what he knew, to say what he didn’t know, to play it straight, and to in every case do it in the smart way, which is why people respect him."

Here's what Clark had to say himself about working with Axiom at that same event:

"...Can I just say one more thing about this impulse to privacy that you’ve mentioned, Bob, because when I was doing this – and I want to say this because Nuala is here, because when the government starts working programs and it does know where they go and where they going they are always cautious because everybody knows that these programs that do data are very sensitive. Before the government could even get a grip on some of these programs, when the word comes out on them they are blasted before people even understand it. So on the one hand, I understand exactly why there is an impulse for privacy. People – companies like Axiom were told, “Look, you just can’t compete for this contract if you talk about this to the press because we don’t know what the program is and we want to have – we want to be able to –“ this is – I’m speaking for the government – “We want to be able to see what data you have available. We want to figure out if we can use it, and we don’t want to have to answer a million inquiries from the press about it until we get it done. Then we’ll run it through.

You know, my instinct on it was a little bit different than the government’s, but I didn’t have any influence on them. I mean, my instinct would have to bring in the ACLU and to say, “Please create a group that’s sort of like a trusted group that we can bounce ideas off of and we want to run these ideas by you. And if you have strong objections, we want to hear them. We want to hear them right upfront. What we ask is that you will work with us in a collaborative sense so that – you know, you tell us before you run out to the Washington Post the next day and we have got (unintelligible.)” So, you know, we are just exploring ideas. We want to try to put this together and I do think there is a need for that. There is a need for enough privacy in governmental decision-making that the government can come out with programs and then have a chance to explain them, not to take anything away from the press because that balance is a dynamic balance. It’s fought by and maintained by hardworking reporters who make a lot of phone calls and get turned down a lot, but it’s a very important public duty.

So I am not sure if the balance is right is what I am saying. I don’t know if it’s right and that is one of issues we ought to explore..."

Clark's with the good guys on this one, not the good old boys network.
_________________

[Talismom]

15. Al Gore! n/t

[ClayZ]

22. Al Gore and John Kerry!

The will of the people ... finally realized.

[Loge23]

28. I'll second that ticket! (eom)

[ThomWV]

27. Amen Brother

I am certain he is going to run. He is setting the stage now in what I think will become the model road to the White House.

Its clear that had it not been for the Green vote in 2000 the election could not have ended in the travesty it did. All it takes is the hour and a half to watch President Gore's Presentation on Global Warming to see that is a vote he will not loose next time around. Then there is the series of speeches he gave in the run up to 2004. They are among the best since the founding of this country. Go back to C-Span and watch his speech from Constitution Hall around mid January if you want to see a masterpiece of a political persuasion.

As I said, I believe he is setting the stage in a way much better than visits to small states with early Primary's. I think Al is shooting for the whole thing and getting himself a diverse backing before he draws fire by putting a bullseye on his back for the press.

[NoPasaran]

17. I went with Biden

He's the other Joementum!

[creeksneakers2]

21. I wish Pat Leahy would run n/t

[phylny]

24. I voted here for Mark Warner, but I think he'd make a great vice

presidential candidate to someone such as Wes Clark.

I could seriously get behind Warner as president, but realistically, Clark/Warner would float my boat :)

[skipos]

34. I like Warner and Clark too. nt

[Clarkansas]

49. Voted Clark but like Warner too.

[bobthedrummer]

25. Feingold eom.

[Conker]

26. Wes Clark.

[yurbud]

29. If it was based strictly on guts, honesty, and doing the right thing...

John Conyers would be the next president.

[Katherine Brengle]

73. Conyers is a great man, but...

I honestly don't think that Americans are ready to elect a black President--I know that they should be, but I don't think most are there yet. I also don't think Americans are quite ready for a female President.

As it stands, we've worked within the same framework for a very, very long time--white, male, Christian (and preferably not of the Catholic variety). It's going to take more time to break out of that mold--more minorities and women elected to Congress and state legislatures, more women and minorities in cabinet posts, and maybe a female/black/hispanic/etc VP before we are going to see any of these sitting behind that nice shiny desk in the Oval Office.

I think that Feingold is a great example of someone who is electable AND has a history of doing the right thing--he has guts, he thinks outside the box, and he votes his conscience.

[politicasista]

33. Sorry too early, but looking for a 2006 poll

I find thinking and taking back 2006 to be more productive and helpful rather than dreaming about a "perfect" candidiate, only playing into the hands of the corporate whores, that is using 2008 to distract focus from Blinky and other serious issues.

[mnhtnbb]

37. AL GORE!!!

[mnhtnbb]

38. Poll results: anybody but Hillary?

Looks like even "other" beats her!

[JohnnyCougar]

40. For those of you voting "other"

Who is your candidate? I see about 10 "other" votes, but don't see any names being thrown out (besides Gore, who, as of now, is not running).

[FrenchieCat]

41. I noticed Conyers....for one. n/t

[OneBlueSky]

42. Al Gore . . . (why isn't he included in these polls?) . . . n/t

.

[LSdemocrat]

43. If not Gore, then completely undecided

[I_Make_Mistakes]

44. I went with Clark because the Repub's strong security issue.

I agree that it is a misplaced trust in the R's but, it is what it is!

The only issue is if there is a legit/non-legit Swift Boat issue. There are many restless on their side and if we could do a OUR guys tougher than YOUR guy, along with McCain's cowing to the power's that be on the port issue, it could bring a lot of disillusioned mod's over.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. As long as folks keep leaving Al Gore off the list

I'm gonna have to go with "Other".

(Has everyone else on the list SAID that they're definitely running? It "Looks like" Al wont run? First off, It's February 2006, and second, I wouldn't be so sure.)

[JohnnyCougar]

46. I think everyone else has said they were running

or at least not denied when asked. Gore specifically said he wasn't. If Gore changes his mind, I'd assume people would put him on the polls again.

[AtomicKitten]

47. Al Gore.

[LWolf]

48. Other.

The field is wide open, as far as I'm concerned. I won't be making up my mind about who to support until primary season. Of those on your list, I would probably go with Feingold, but there are many others who deserve consideration, should they decide to run. I don't know who is considering a run, or not, at this point. Some that I'd like to see on my primary ballot include:

Barbara Boxer
Brian Schweitzer
John Conyers
Dennis Kucinich
Cynthia McKinney

I'm sure there are many more out there. I'll wait and see who actually runs.

[Lethe]

50. if Hilliary wins - two families would have controlled USA for 24 years

kind of scary thought

1988-2012 bush and clintons only

[JohnnyCougar]

52. Correction...32 years.

Do you really think Reagan wa in control? Or was it Vice President Bush?

Either way, that's scary. :scared:

[Lethe]

63. oh yeah we gotta add in reagan's years too :)

then wasn't Bush Sr. head of the CIA for a while before that? jesus

[Tom Rinaldo]

53. Don't forget, Jeb's waiting in the wings

and later Chelsea may want the job.

[bobthedrummer]

51. kick

[JohnnyCougar]

55. Kick.

[Hatalles]

60. A few months ago I would have said Wes Clark.

But Russ Feingold has impressed me very much since then so I went with him.

[JohnnyCougar]

61. Welcome to the Russ Bus!

[radio4progressives]

76. I like that.. Get on the Russ Bus... that's great..

:applause:

[JohnnyCougar]

62. kickey poo

[JohnnyCougar]

64. One last kick. Get yer votes in!

The poll is about to close!

[Dhampir Kampf]

65. Warner. n/t

[Sugarcoated]

66. Again I say

Russ/Wes '08

[pstans]

67. Run Russ Run!

http://www.russforpresident.com

[mdmc]

69. G O R E !!!

[Katherine Brengle]

70. Feingold/Clark or Clark/Feingold, either way a very strong ticket--AND

they can fight McCain.

Who voted for Bayh??? Ick, double-ick. :puke:

They can give Gore a cabinet post or send him to the UN once they win--he can do a lot of good in the world without being President.

I don't think Gore could stand another Presidential election--what he went through last time was more than any sane person could deal with. He's better off remaining on the sidelines, giving an endorsement, helping with campaigning, and then getting involved after we destroy the Republicans once and for all.

[MellowOne]

75. Very interesting since....

The Republicans are trying to convince us that Hillary is the front runner.

[wisteria]

77. Kerry Again!! n/t