I have a question for Bill Clinton. Anyone else curious?

[wakemewhenitsover]

Clearly, you're intelligent enough to know that both 2000 and 2004 were stolen.

If you do not want to speak out about election fraud, if you do not want to participate in restoring the right to democratically elect our representatives to the citizens of this country...

How on earth do you think Hillary will be elected in 2008?

[1620rock]

1. Hmmm, good question...in fact great question! n/t

[Ken Burch]

3. And, unfortunately, a question Bill and all the other Hillarycrats

believe themselves to be above having to answer.

[wakemewhenitsover]

4. You kind of wonder why they'd go to the trouble of running...

:dilemma:

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. I've certainly have been wondering that, for some time now,

way before the 2004 fraud. :shrug:

[mattclearing]

64. They probably already know the outcome.

Why spend all that time hanging out with Poppy, otherwise?

[fooj]

2. Wish someone would ask him that.

Personally, I'm sick to death of the Clinton's and the Bushies! Their little "lovefest" gives me the fvcking creeps.

Peace.

[mtnsnake]

5. According to the way most people around here feel about Hillary

(and I'm not one of them, btw), the only possible way they probably think she could win is if Diebold gets her elected, lol.

[DainBramaged]

6. I don't think we have a say in when he will speak his mind

And if we as a party can't get behind one candidate with Presidential aspirations, we are yet again doomed.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. I think I know the answer.

Assuming that he is convinced that the elections were stolen, Clinton is probably working close with the Republicans in the same way that one stays close to the enemy. But, if he is convinced that they know how to steal elections, it frightens me to think that it's possible that he may be cutting a deal. I think that it's a safe bet that a Democrat will win the next election, and he may be convincing the Republicans that Hillary is a better choice for Republicans, than someone who is "too far left."

[wakemewhenitsover]

8. Interesting theory, but no way they'd cut a deal to elect Hillary.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. I don't know how desparate they're going to be in two years.

Can any administration take another year of rolling scandals?

[Ken Burch]

12. Unfortunately, we know what this deal would be...

1)A commitment that the Hillary administration, like Bill's, would maintain Republican policy in all important areas.
2)An agreement to deliberately engineer a massive Democratic collapse in the 2010 congressional elections.
3)An agreement to allow the GOP to steal the White House back in 2016.

...In other words, the same deal as last time...

[AJH032]

41. wow...wow

I can't believe you all are not only suggesting that the Clintons are working with Republicans to get Hillary elected, but you actually are talking about it as though it's proven fact!

Sorry, sometimes DU just gets a little too crazy for me.

[Ken Burch]

49. Not crazy at all. Bill WASN'T on our side then. Hillary ISN'T now.

We can assume she'll continue all his policies with no deviation. Why pretend otherwise?

The only solution is to nominate a DEMOCRAT in '08.

[AJH032]

62. speak for yourself. I feel Bill was on my side.

and I would gladly vote for him again.

[jayctravis]

58. Of Thee I Sing.....

Great musical.

[Bullwinkle925]

10. God - I hope your'e wrong - yet I cannot fathom why he is becoming

enamored with the Bush Crime Family. I think you might be onto something in regards to keeping your enemies close, but I know Rove will certainly 'have his way' with Hillary unless, of course, he is busy with the Feredal Prosector. One can only hope!!!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Clinton does whatever he has to do to survive.

We really don't know how evil and corrupt this Bush-Rove-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Baker & the neo-con network is. We really don't know just how breached our country is by other foreign interests. If it's as bad as our worst fears, Clinton may be making a very shrewd move.

[Bullwinkle925]

27. I think we've only seen the 'tip of the iceberg' when it comes to evil

and corruptness with this gang. I hope I'm wrong, but deep in my soul I doubt it.

[radio4progressives]

30. "becoming enamored" should be read as "have been enamored"

that's because they became enamored with being the ruling elite, and with the puppet masters on the world order -- c'mon people... wake up!

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/books_global_class_war

The Global Class War
How America's Bipartisan Elite Lost Our Future—and What It Will Take to Win It Back by Jeff Faux

[Bullwinkle925]

31. You're right - I was debating over the 'tense' as I was writing itl.

I shall look for that book. Thanks.

[radio4progressives]

39. Jeff Faux was on C-Span today...

or i should say that Jeff Faux gave a talk at a book store and it was broadcast on C-Span 2's book notes today.. an amazing talk.. it would be worth the trouble looking for video link on C-Span's website..

[Bullwinkle925]

48. Thank you.

I will do so.

[heirs_of_liberty]

20. Unfortunately absolute power seems to corrupt absolutely

Every four years we get to 'elect' a new captive, blackmailed, dis-informed, and grossly mislead mouthpiece for the National Republican Christian Socialist CIA Mafia. These 'elections' for the Presidency and the Congressional Nobles have become eminently fixable by the indispensable contributions and support of the CIA Mafia's elite military industrial defense contractors, their "Mighty Wurlitzer" control of the mass media, their capacity to spy without oversight on any likely victim, their incredible drug and arms theft/sales profits, and convenient Pentagon base relocation schemes.

Should they ever get in trouble, they just drug up a suitable patsy to kill the candidate.

He wouldn't answer such silly question because, since they got away with assassinating JFK, elections have been largely irrelevant.

[BootinUp]

11. You think

knowing something but not being able to prove it, is enough to gain political traction with it? There are democrats who vote that way every time who don't follow your logic.

The spine meme: don't worry about what people think, just show a spine and they will hitch up to our conspiracy theories.

I've pretty much decided to call bs on the spine meme whenever I see it.

[IsItJustMe]

13. He's just a good old boy, never meaning no harm

Clinton seems to have a strong propensity to me of having the go along to get along mentality.

After Katrina I noticed that it took him quit a while to start talking about it. When he did it was good, but the pause was deafening.


And he never really said anything much about Al Gores loss.

[Lucy - Claire]

46. I see it that way too,

Don't forget whilst Bush is loathed outside America, Bill Clinton is still adored. I think that Bush snr at
least recognises that and that is why it was Bill Clinton that accompanied him to Indonesia after the Tsunami and not his son. I think spending time with Bill Clinton who is also well educated and can ask the questions and understand what is going on without a briefing or an auto-cue, might have made Bush Snr realize that Clinton is still an huge asset and far better company to travel with than any of his family. From Bill Clinton's point of view, it is an opportunity to get things done and to keep working. He is too young to retire and has more he can achieve.

[Joe Fields]

14. I have a better question for Bill,

Just what in the hell do you think you're doing spending so much personal time with the Bush family? Have you lost your mind? Did they adopt you? Co-opt you? Let you in on the Carlysle Group? In return for What?

That is actually six questions.

[radio4progressives]

33. Clinton & Bush = Neo Libs & Neo Con = Imperialists (read this quote)

"If we're going to have a strong economic relationship that includes our ability to sell around the world, Europe has got to be a key .... That's what this Kosovo thing is all about." (Bill Clinton)

http://www.monthlyreview.org/699wood.htm

[SeaBob]

16. Bill Clinton

Clearly, you're intelligent enough to know that both 2000 and 2004 were stolen.

If you do not want to speak out about election fraud, if you do not want to participate in restoring the right to democratically elect our representatives to the citizens of this country... You are guilty of TREASON

[...of J.Temperance]

17. Hillary will not run for President in 2008

You know, it's sometimes like talking to a brick wall. Senator Clinton will be re-elected to her Senate seat, and that's where she'll remain.

THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!!

Okay, see I've SHOUTED that now, so can you hear?

[Clark2008]

22. God, I hope not.

While most here are politically astute (and/or are learning to be), sadly many voters aren't - yes, even those who vote in Dem primaries. I fear the media Juggernaut surrounding Hillary! will result in her winning a sizable number of votes (even without Diebold) from the lemmings in our party, giving her the nomination. This, of course, will result in another defeat in the general election - and this time, it will be legitimate and not as the result of vote-fixing.

:(

[NoSheep]

53. I've never met anyone who likes Hillary. And the folks I know?, they

AREN'T sexist, misogynistic assholes! I say she can't win. Her very face is fraught with the kind of bitterness and cynicism that turns most people off to leadership.

[IsItJustMe]

47. From my read, she is swaying toward the right. I heard Bill Maher say

she is fishing in the NASCAR pond and she will only alienate her base and won't catch any fish there anyway.

Absolutely agree with that analogy.

[splat]

18. I keep remembering what Madeline Albright said about Clinton

"Bill Clinton is not who you think he is."

[wakemewhenitsover]

26. What do you think she meant?

[radio4progressives]

35. Madeline Albright: Quote on 'Our Superb Military'...

When Madeleine Albright was the U.S. ambassador to the UN, she challenged Powell on these principles. "What's the point of having this superb military that you've always been talking about," she is reported to have said, "if we can't use it?"

http://www.monthlyreview.org/699wood.htm

[bowens43]

19. If there was incontrovertible evidnce indicating the elections

were stolen there would have been prosecutions. Even though I am certain that the elections were stolen, there is no such evidence.

[heirs_of_liberty]

23. There's no more Bob Stevens at American Media either

[eridani]

61. If you don't bother to investigate--

--OF COURSE there isn't any evidence!

[RandomKoolzip]

21. Well, he didn't help his buddy Al Gore, did he?

I guess if it's his wife, he might take a more personal interest; my take is that that the Bog Dog is still popular enough that his aggressive campaigning for Hillary would make it so the election wouldn't be close enough to steal...that is, if Hillary decides to run.

[laylah]

43. Correct me if I am wrong

but wasn't it President Gore who distanced himself from President Clinton?

Jenn

[Deja Q]

24. Quick answer: DOMA, DMCA, COPA, NAFTA, 1996 telecom act...

I could go on for some time.

He's intelligent, no argument there.

I wish I knew what he knows.

[heirs_of_liberty]

25. Jimmy Carter is the only one who never sold out -

He was the only one who could neither be blackmailed or bought off and was also (horror of horrors) - a true Christian...

Maybe you should ask him :-)

[PBass]

29. Hillary hasn't announced she's running yet. So why would he comment

on her campaign.

The only thing that would be better than preventing election fraud in the future, or proving election fraud in 2000 or 2004, would be nabbing and exposing election fraud AS IT HAPPENS in 2006. Don't despair completely if we can't eliminate black box voting in 2006... If we can catch election tampering in 2006 and expose it in 'real time' then we still win.

Is that even possible????

[radio4progressives]

36. actually, he did sell us out... when he signed on with Jim Baker and

dismissed (ignored) any specific criminal findings, (actual vote tabulation rigging) but simply referred to irregularities, voter suppression and such, bad laws etc.

[NoSheep]

54. I'm curious about your sig line. Can you elaborate on that?

Thanks! and welcome to DU :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. In his bio, Clinton talks about how Nixon manipulated the war to win in 68

[upi402]

32. Clinton was a Republican, I have no expectations for Bill to be a

white knight. He's friends with Daddy Crook.:hide:

[AJH032]

42. sure...

Clinton was not a Republican. Did he choose the liberal path on every single issue that came before him? No, he didn't. However, he was liberal more often than he was conservative, and his viewpoints are Democratic.

[upi402]

51. sure -?

NAFTA is working out well isn't it? How about our corporate rightwing media. Likin' that?

[upi402]

52. NAFTA, Welfare reform, Fairness Doctrine enabling rightwing media...

:hangover:

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Maybe this is why he's hanging with Poppy and likes George

[oasis]

37. When Hill spoke out about the "vast right wing conspircacy" and asked

about what Bush knew pre-9/11, nobody had her back. Lessons learned.

The Clintons are holding their fire for the time being. But I'm sure both would thank you for your concern.:loveya:

[upi402]

38. drypowderdrypowderdrypowder

I'm getting dizzy already!:crazy:
LOL -just joking around-

Hill needed much more support for her health care efforts. She had the rug pulled out from under her from Bill for her "vast rightwing conspiracy" statement. Then the corporate media went at it.

I feel bad about what she has gone through. I also feel she needs to just let go and let god -be true to herself and always do what her heart tells her is just.

Also, she will deliver the executive to the thugs if she wins the Dem nomination. The corporate media (another fairness doctrine gift that keeps on giving) has tainted her for a good decade. Rethugs have spoken harshly about her, and said it often. It would take years to undo it.

We need to act and make them react.
We need to be the brainwashers and not the whiners of truth and fact.

[radio4progressives]

40. I heard a very interesting unknown report about this ...

Right Winger Bruce Bartlett, author of "Imposter" (referring to dubya)was interviewed on C-Span today, and I caught a little of it..

Somehow the issue with the Health Care initiative was brought up, and Bartlett said that Clinton first approached CEO's of major companies (pre election)to get their imput on a national Health Care policy, and their support for such an initiative. Bartlett says they were all backing him up until the Summitt, when the Pharmaceutical companies and other related Big Medical comnpanies lobbied the Repukes AND those same companies to back off on their support for it. That was something Clinton SHOULD HAVE EXPOSED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BACK THEN!! How fucking stupid can a brilliant person be? Had he done that, We the People, would have had HIS BACK on this - and the so called 94 "revolution" never have been allowed to succeed. How fucking politically lame was that? Can you imagine if we understood THEN what the what the fuck was going on, we'd have had an entirely different ELECTION OUTCOME IN 1994?

And here's another thing Bartlett said that I had never heard, remember when the repukes passed the medicaid bill in the middle of the nigth? We have all heard a lot about the deals being on the floor, but we never saw it because it was in the middle of the night right?

Well Bartlett says that the Leader of the House and Senate INSTRUCTS C-Span on where to focus their cameras - so that all the wheeling and dealing WE NEVER SEE in the back of the halls - the Camera is never allowed to focus there.

Don't you think it's appropriate for those elected members of Congress to speak out and expose this shit?

[upi402]

55. and there are DUers who think I'm a nut for ranting about DINO's

I gave up debating Republicans, but if WE Democrats can't see that the wolves are dressing like sheep... then where's the hope?

I think America is toast if Republicans occupy all of one party and much of the other. And with no Fairness Doctrine -THANKS TO BILL CLINTON- the TV news will never show the water line on this sinking ship.

[radio4progressives]

66. Clinton 's was the Tellecommunications Act (de regs)

Fairness Doctrine was abolished by Ronald Reagan. Clinton did give the final death nell to any hope of returning to sane, truthful, media.

[Hekate]

44. Write to Bill and ask him -- might be interesting to see if you get...

...a canned answer or not.

Hekate

[wakemewhenitsover]

50. Good idea.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. “Stop crying in your teacups. It isn’t going to change. Get over it.”

That was the response of John Kerry to a liberal who condemned the theft of the presidency by George W. Bush.

THAT is what the Washington ELITE think about the stolen elections. They must think we're making this shit up. They have had almost 6 years to get rid of the damn machines and haven't bothered doing so. They haven't bothered doing ANYTHING about it. I think they think we're sore losers and THEY know best. During the 2004 election I kept telling myself that the Dems must have a plan for getting around the evoting fraud...maybe they have BETTER hackers than the repukes? NOPE. So, I have to conclude that they think WE don't know what we're talking about and the elections weren't really stolen. Bill Clinton is in that league. Look at Kerry's snippy remark. What is he saying? He's saying....."The elections weren't stolen so quit yer whining about it."

Hillary ain't gonna win shit.....unless the DLC has already guaranteed THEY will get her the nomination.:eyes:

[NoSheep]

57. OR he's saying "The elections WERE stolen, quit crying about it".

That's WORSE! What the hell are we going to do with these people? I'm just blown away more and more every day.


:wtf:

[wakemewhenitsover]

59. How about Jimmy Carter? Why doesn't he speak out?!

[NoSheep]

60. He has always been my hero. I'm totally confused by him now.

[wakemewhenitsover]

63. What confuses me is, at his age, what would Jimmy have to lose...

...by speaking out against the corrupt American voting system, when he's traveled all around the world to monitor elections in other countries? It's baffling. You assume Clinton feels he would experience some political loss, but is Jimmy or Roslyn planning to run?

[radio4progressives]

65. He has a Son in Nevada running for Senate -

Jack Carter is his name and he has tossed his hat in the ring for '06.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060207/pl_nm/politics_carter_dc

[blm]

68. That's not true. That's internet mythology you are spreading.

.

[radio4progressives]

70. I have come to a Rather Sinister Conclusion

But I hesitate to state the obvious in actual text (especially here) so I will not do so.

but surely, others have had to reach the same conclusions, why else remain silent about something that one should naturally be extremely concerned if not outraged over?

if one wakes up to three feet of snow at their door step, whicht was not there the night before, isn't that evidence a snow storm ocurred sometime in the middle of the night?

[mdmc]

67. the theifs will help her, they don't mind her, it is just an act

with her in "power", they can finally galvanize the right. The right got a shot in the arm after 9-11...they need another shot...

[WI_DEM]

69. Maybe that is why he is sucking up to the Bush's to make a deal

with Bush that the Clinton-Bush dynasty will continue? Just a tinhat thought.

[insane_cratic_gal]

71. what if "they" are complicate

everyone is in on the democracy scam.. like a swap of power. Bushs and the Clintons can we make it the B&CFEE now?

absurd.. but what if..


I'm actually hoping that Hill doesn't run in 2008, i think it will be a disaster for the party

[AJH032]

72. Bill Clinton didn't love Hillary enough to stay faithful

so why would he care so much about her becoming president, especially to go so far as to conspire with the Bush family? Seems ridiculous to me.

[wakemewhenitsover]

73. Wouldn't Bill be co-President? Remember when he said...

"We're a twofer" about Hillary and himself, in the early days of his presidency?