Oh i'm pissed, watching bob scheifer

[madokie]

reporting on abramoff and they are insinuating that dems are lining up at the trough to return the money they received. the last I read is no dems took abramoff money. Lying bunch of .... sorry about the misspells

[babylonsister]

1. Dorgan did return money awhile ago, but I don't know

why or how he got it, so that was/is accurate.

[sallyseven]

2. They didn't get it from Abramoff

they got it from the indians who were supporting thier reps.

[madokie]

4. exactly, No Dems took money from abramoff that I'm aware of

:mad:

[Karmadillo]

6. You would never know that listening to CBS. The reporter gave the

clear impression there was little difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. Schieffer then interviewed not some squeaky-clean Democratic progressive (Russ Fiengold, maybe?), but NEWT GINGRICH about the need for reform.

[cornermouse]

11. Newt authored the Culture of Corruption.

He drew up the blueprint and wrote the how-to book.

[shaniqua6392]

3. NBC has reported that Harry Reid took money too.

I would love to know if that was true.

[CatWoman]

12. Harry Reid info:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jun-04-Sat-2005/news/26662729.html

He didn't take money DIRECTLY from Abramoff -- but from his lobbyists and clients (Indian tribes).

[madokie]

16. My point exactly, they, the press is lying to the american people

if not outright but by insinuation.

[SPKrazy]

34. Isn't that the jist of the Abramoff modus operandi?

donations from causes that he hooks them up for and then there is a quid pro quo

I think that you are stretching to say that "no dems" are involved in this

this goes deeper than partisanship

this goes to "how deep does the rabbit hole go"?

Think realllllll deeeep!

Our whole reality may change when this is over!

It won't be dem vs. repub, it will be Americans vs. treasonous scum who have infested our political system for the last 50 years if the press and the courts do their jobs!

[madokie]

36. The qualifier leaves this out

[babylonsister]

37. FYI,

that's dated June 4th. I googled all over, did a search, and went to giveemhellharry, and there's no new comments that I can find. I really wish he's reinforce what he said in June now!

[ladjf]

5. Kennedy, Jr. accepted some campaign contributions.

That doesn't make him guilty of anything, however.

[madokie]

7. Are you sure it wasn't from a client of abramoff's

[ladjf]

44. You are correct.

[CatWoman]

14. !

U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy is one of the leading recipients of campaign contributions from Indian tribes represented by Jack Abramoff, the Republican lobbyist who has pleaded guilty to corruption charges.

Sean Richardson, Kennedy’s chief of staff, said Abramoff has never lobbied Kennedy, and Kennedy has not received any campaign contributions directly from Abramoff, according to the Federal Election Commission. “None of this — not a single penny of it — had anything to do with Jack Abramoff,” Richardson said. “We don’t believe he’s ever met Jack Abramoff.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhodeisland/articles/2006/01/04/kennedyamongleadingrecipientsofconvictedlobbyistsclients

[AspenRose]

15. Don't confuse Robert Jr. with Patrick

It was Patrick, and he got it from clients of Abramoff, not from Abramoff. There's been a gazillion threads about this on DU already....

[ladjf]

45. Thanks, you are correct.

[Justitia]

22. From Abramoff's VICTIMS, not Abramoff - not one penny. -eom

[Zen Democrat]

38. The tribes donated to the House Democratic Election Committee

And Patrick Kennedy was chairman of that committee, that's why the donation from the tribe went to him. There's a huge difference in donations from Abramoff, and donations from his clients. He had lots of clients.

The media is being intentionally misleading. It's not difficult to discern the difference in these contributions. The contributions to Bush's election committee were from Abramoff, personally.

[madokie]

43. So you understand my rage.

:mad:

[hippiechick]

8. What pissed me off was when he said:

"Where are the Democrats?" - suggesting (correctly) yet again that we have NO response to what should be THE issue to run on and make huge gains in the midterm elections.

The names he listed were primarily GOP, and I appreciated that he started off with Bush, noting that while he donated away $6k, he KEPT $100k.

A scorecard would probably have pounded the point home more succinctly for the average viewer.

[madokie]

10. I'm sorry but I'm pissed. bushco* lies to me so the press must too.

eerrhhh :mad:

[HootieMcBoob]

24. So, if Bush kept $100,000 from Abramoff clients...

and contends that the money is not tainted. How can the Republicans and their media paint Democrats who took no money from Abramoff directly but some from his clients as equally caught up in this? If the money Bush and other Repubs took from Abramoff clients is legal and hunky dory it is bizarre that they are attempting to connect Democrats who are giving back money that was donated to them by some Abramoff clients - a step that Bush doesn't think is necessary to take.

[txindy]

30. It's not the money you can see listed with the FEC that matters

It's the money the feds have been following that counts. The money that made Abramoff cop a plea. That's the money to follow. The millions below the surface and, more importantly, the influence it bought.

[madokie]

31. I'm sorry, but it's not right to lie to us. I'm pissed

[Botany]

9. A list of all of Abramoff's 1st person donations ... all to Repugs.

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

Any money that went to dems went through 2nd and third parties.

[leftchick]

13. thank you Botany

US Media needs to learn about Google. :grr:

[AspenRose]

17. I suspect the media KNOWS better...

....they just aren't reporting the TRUTH.

[leftchick]

19. I suspect you are correct

I can't even imagine how they sleep. :grr:

[madokie]

21. You and I/we know that but do the average citizen know that

most don't:mad:

[fooj]

18. Botany...send this to Mr. Bob and tell him to STFU about the Dems!

peace.

[Justitia]

20. I saw that! Blatant bullshit! NO DEM has rec'd $$ from Abramoff! - eom

[oneighty]

23. bob scheifer's

scripted pretend news. CBS news is no more. No more Conkrite, no more Rather; two that at the very least tried to report news.

Scheifer has resorted to asking 'Opinion questions' of fellow reporters each knowing in advance what it is to be said. Phony news.

180

[madokie]

25. Who do we turn to

The 'we' is the average joe, most folks I know don't read anything on the 'net', they just take it for granted that what bob or whoever says is so, they're on teevee. They wouldn't let'em lie to us now would they. :mad:

[oneighty]

28. I do not have an answer

sailor.

You ever been hopelessly adrift at sea? It is like this.

180 (never let 180 take the helm)

Hahahaha

180

[havocmom]

33. And Scheifer's brother was appointed, by bush, as ambassador

to Austrailia. Gee, wonder which political agenda gets more love from Bob.

My daughter's Aussie pals all say their country has gone to hell in a hurry and NONE of them has found anyone who says they voted for Howard. (How do they count votes there?)
Seems the corporate puppet neocons have taken over the land down under. Wonder just how helpful to that end Ambassador Scheifer has been.

[baldguy]

26. DU to the rescue!

Thanks to LeftNYC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2348516

[madokie]

29. sorry that doesn't show me anything, show me the money

No dems took money from abramoff

[baldguy]

35. Can't return something you didn't get in the first place.

[Justitia]

40. They rec'd NOTHING from Abramoff - EVER.

Dorgan returned donations he rec'd YRS AGO from tribes who were VICTIMS of Abramoff, to avoid the appearance of being linked by acquaintance w/the tribes relationship w/Abramoff.

There is a reason DOJ is not investigating any Dems.

[madokie]

42. Yep, you bet there is, nothing to investigate

[txindy]

32. "nine related Indian tribes" is the key phrase there. Abramoff's victims.

They're the ones who donated to the Democrats, it had nothing to do with Abramoff. Take away the donations from the tribes and the Democrats received absolutely nothing. What does that tell you? The tribes paid Abramoff, not the other way around. So, the tribes donating to Democrats is wrong, why, exactly?

[Justitia]

39. Not one of those Dems rec'd $$$ from Abramoff, it was from his VICTIMS

His VICTIMS (the tribes) were LIED TO and DUPED into making donations all over the place, thinking it was for something other than Jack's golfing trips w/repubs.

I have watched almost every minute of every congressional hearing on this matter since last yr and the facts above are abundantly clear.

Those Dems listed had EXISTING relationships (going back yrs) w/various tribes, and SOME of them also happened to be VICTIMS of Abramoff & crew. The commonality ends there.

To avoid being inadvertently caught up in any deceit of those VICTIM TRIBES, several Dems have decided to give back any donations they rec'd from tribes who happened to also be VICTIMS of Abramoff.

[madokie]

41. .

[Stevepol]

27. I have to admit I kind of like Schiefer and the new CBS.

I was sorry to see Rather's departure, but I don't mind the new CBS. They still have a little edge to them in some reporting, but really to expect any news org to do any nuances in news reporting is just wishful thinking.

The major news orgs, like the newspapers around the country, are engaged in entertainment almost solely. For now, that's just the way it is.

The biggest issue in the country is the voting machines and the pre-election and exit poll discrepancies vis-a-vis the "alleged actual results," and none of the news orgs will touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Eventually that will change. I heard a great Martin L. King quote that I think applies to the voting machines our loss of democracy:

"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice."

Somewhere, sometime people will understand the insanity of having highly partisan, private corps counting the votes when there are multiple ways to hack or pre-program or mis-program the vote without leaving a trace and where the results are almost never audited. In other words, where it's almost impossible to get caught. At some point, people will have to wake up to what's obvious. 2 + 2 = 4. That's not going to change and this citizen involvementin regaining our democracy, as in the DU on the ERD forum, is NOT GOING TO DIMINISH OVER TIME.