Fundies starting their own town NOT KIDDING

[Savannah Progressive]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2058771,00.html

A FORMER marine who was raised by nuns and made a fortune selling pizza has embarked on a £230m plan to build the first town in America to be run according to strict Catholic principles.
Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new Florida town of Ave Maria, which has begun to take shape on former vegetable farms 90 miles northwest of Miami.


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Monaghan believes he has more than the law on his side. “I think it’s God’s will to do this,” he said.

While a part of me says go ahead fundies, leave the rest of civilization to the majority like us, who are tired of your hypocrisy. Another part says that this is seriously an abomination, a town governed by Religious Dogma is insane.

[Sequoia]

1. Recreating the town in "A Boy and His Dog" !

[daleanime]

10. "Time for the Harvest."

:rofl:

[melody]

23. And maybe the one in Children of the Corn :) n/t

[Skidmore]

2. So when people transgress, will they be

taken before an Inquisition?

[Bluzmann57]

Let 'em build it

Then wall it off and make sure they don't have anything to do with the rest of the world. Something tells me the town wouldn't last too long.

[rpgamerd00d]

3. They will be ripe for Civil Rights lawsuits, given their inexperience at..

... running a town.

Hell, I should move there, open a porn/contraceptive/sex toy store and abortion clinic, and let them try to shut me down.

One lawsuit later, I could retire.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

7. Now yer talkin . . .

. . . you'd be a millionaire just on sales of porn--forget the lawsuit!

These people REALLY need to find a hobby. Sheesh.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. How does this differ

from Sharia law? How can they have laws that infringe upon people's civil rights?

Or is it really a commune, like a monastary?

Very interesting.

[mattclearing]

5. The founding of religiously-based towns is consistent with the orgins of

this country.

More power to them.

[kevinbgoode]

35. Hon....and what happened to those religious-based towns?

The nation does not live under colonial law. . .nor has it ever lived under theocratic dictation. Even Utah was denied statehood until it changed the forced practice of certain religious policy.

[mattclearing]

48. If it's forced, then that's one thing.

But planning a local community based on religion is part of freedom.

Barring the practice of other faiths within it, however, would be a violation of the first amendment, unless it were a private community/commune, in which case you might be able to make a case.

[donco6]

62. I think that's kinda the point, ain't it?

Practicing the One Religion, I mean? I can't imagine Monaghan is naming it AVE MARIA because he welcomes Buddhists!

Sheesh.

[Katherine Brengle]

61. Exactly. If the town is founded, and then the residents decide they want

to change the rules, they have the power to do just that.

I don't see how this story is any way important to our political dialogue.

[BOSSHOG]

6. Pornography will be banned in public

and incest and spouse abuse will be hush-hushed. Statistics will not be maintained on abortions so they can publicly state none are performed. Its hard living the life of hypocrites.

[sui generis]

8. interesting - but not much different than a modern version of

the Amish or Hutterites.

The only thing is, if I drive through the town and all my man porno is in the trunk and I get pulled over, do they arrest me and burn me at the stake on a pile of flaming summer sausage?

[Hobarticus]

Not during Lent...

Then you get fed to the fishes.

[MindPilot]

22. Probably and your man-porno would be confiscated and turned over to

the priests.

I'd really hate to be an alter boy in that place!!

[submerged99]

40. Why don't they just move to Utah

Or one of those little oklahoma towns that don't serve liquor in bars and ban certain channels from cable?

[kitkat65]

9. Catholistan? n/t

[SoCalDem]

11. rather have the veggies...

[meganmonkey]

12. Florida can have them for awhile, good riddance to Monahan and his crew

Seriously, Monahan and his hyper-Catholic pizza cultists have been infiltrating Ann Arbor for years. I am so glad they are seeking friendlier quarters. SEE YA!

(Sorry, Florida!)

[meisje]

13. I'd hate to be a good lookin!g young boy in that city

[sui generis]

26. depends what the priests look like

doncha think?

;)

[ugarte]

32. No place for a homeless person, though

They'll kick your ass sideways if you're homeless.

[ugarte]

14. I guess 'Stepford' was copyrighted...nt

[JPZenger]

15. Libertarians Talked About trying to take over New Hampshire

There was talk about libertarians moving to New Hampshire and eventually trying to take over the state and some local governments.

There also is a group of ultra fundamentalists who are trying to do the same thing - I think in part of South Carolina.

There already are some towns/school districts in New York State where there is a clear majority of orthodox Jews. A court refused to let the State give one such school district special treatment in funding public school students. I think there only was one public school student in that district.

[brooklynite]

45. That would be The Free State Project & Christian Exodus

http://www.freestateproject.org/

http://www.christianexodus.org/

[uppityperson]

16. Fundamentalist commune?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Oh boy, and then they say only Muslims are nuts

to be an officer in the town you have to be a member of the Sacred Order of the Inquisition too?

[melody]

18. Having them all isolated in one locale is a good idea

That way we can keep an eye on their violent, backward selves.

[donco6]

63. Once they're all there . . .

how 'bout surrounding it with a high wall and barbed wire?

[melody]

68. That's what I'm thinking, yup n/t

[Ioo]

19. I say we give them a state, and remove them from the nation..

So we can move on with being a beacon of freedom, not the retard son of a bastard president.

[smirkymonkey]

41. Yes, and then declare war on them.

:nuke:

[enid602]

20. serious

Don't laugh! I've already made a downpayment on a cute little Cape Cod on the corner of Torquemada and 7th Circle of Hell.

[meganmonkey]

21. And remember this is funded by DOMINO'S PIZZA!

Not that I think anyone here would eat that garbage anyway :P

But in case you do, this is a good reason to STOP!

[MindPilot]

30. So I guess it would be a crime to order a Papa Johns?

And a Godfather's is completely out of the question. Will there be routine freezer inspections for contraband like Red Baron? Will the communion wafers be replaced with cheesy bread sticks? I can't stop...

[rucky]

31. Thou shalt getteth thine Pizza in one score and ten minutes...

or thoust not payeth.

[kevinbgoode]

36. Absolutely not. . .

I'll be getting the word out even more about this company. Let this dude market to the fundies only.
And wait until they ban pizza on Fridays as they search for new ways to hold to traditional Catholic dictates.

[politicat]

71. Cheese and anchovy pizza would be okay....

Hold the 'roni and the "Meat Topping Balls", though.

There's a part of me that kind of likes the idea of the fundies being all in one place. Then they can be blockaded in, their gates sealed up, and left to rely on their own neo-con goodwill.

Even if that isn't likely to happen, it may actually reduce over all the red vote load in very mixed precincts as fundies congregate in very strong red precincts (where the votes may be 95% or higher for a particular candidate). However, that means that a formerly marginal precinct, that goes 50.5% to the neo-con may actually end up going 55 or 60 percent liberal, because that small portion of the population that worked hard to get neo-cons elected moved to a like-minded community.

[sakabatou]

24. It's always either Florida or Germany

Love Lines joke.

[Cleita]

25. Good for them.

Maybe more fundies ought to have their own towns to run in any totalitarian way that they want to. I hope though that the states that these towns are in make it a rule that when someone wants to leave that they don't stop them and force them to stay. Also, they need to follow the basic laws of our government, like no statuatory rape, like marrying thirteen year old girls or incest like uncles marrying neices. Things like that.

I too was raised by nuns and I know that they are going to love having everything they read and every movie they go to censored. They are going to love being told when they can eat and what they can eat on each season of the year. The women will love the fights over short hemlines. (I had many with the nuns.)
The men are going to love waiting for marriage to have sex. Well, you all get the drift.

Let them go for it as long as they leave the rest of us sinners alone. The Amish have had their own communities for more that a century.

[rucky]

27. I'm all for it.

seriously. let them live by over-restrictive laws in their own communities & maybe they'll stop trying to shove it down our throats.

[npincus]

28. can a Jew get gas there?

[ugarte]

34. I think the 'don't ask, don't tell' rule applies...nt

[savemefromdumbya]

46. I'm not going there

might get locked up

[MadMaddie]

47. I betting someone black may not be able too....

I (as a black) wouldn't do it....

[notadmblnd]

29. Tom Monaghan the Dominoes Pizza mogul?

Wow! he's really gone off the deep end. Bad news for the folks of Fla. good news for the folks in Michigan. Florida has has always been jokingly referred to as gods waiting room, at least now the town will be able to officially claim it as their motto.

[MindPilot]

38. Get the door, it's God. eom

[Rocknrule]

33. Wow, Jesusland is now a real place!

[submerged99]

37. Freeperville should be the next town

I really dont' care what these people do in there little town. The only real problem, for me, is going to involve any harm to children who can't voluntarily leave or are subjected to wacko rules.

Like others on this thread, Im all for putting these people in one place so they can cannibalize each other instead of being a pain to the rest of society.

I think there should also be a Freeperville beside this Florida town.

[BushOut06]

39. Would this really be different than a Mormon or Amish community?

Seriously, I'm really not sure what to make of this. On the one hand, it would be completely private, I don't think he's planning on taking any public money whatsoever. And nobody could say they were forced to move there. We've always treasured freedom of association. On the other hand, I strongly oppose the integration of church & state. But there is precedent for this, I think - I don't think you would be allowed to open up a porno shop, or sell birth control in an Amish town.

[Hardrada]

42. But could they keep their kids from being drafted

if conscription comes back. Catholicism is not a religion of peace though it has some antiwar nuns.

[zbdent]

43. Don't ask for the shrimp special . . .

[brooklynite]

44. But...bingo every Sunday, right?

[brooklynite]

49. Can I sell you some swampland in Florida?

http://www.avemaria.com/discover/

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Jonestown?

Sounds the same to me.

[MadMaddie]

52. Ding...Ding...Ding....

I thought the same thing!!

[donco6]

64. Me too!

That's the first thing I thought of.

Kool-Aid anyone?

[MountainLaurel]

51. EARWORM "Won't you take me to . . . "

"FUNDIETOWN!"

My apologies to The Lipps, Inc.

[cascadiance]

53. Should we lay odds on how soon terrorists will hit this place?

It seems very RIPE for some jihadist to start his religious war!

[Union Thug]

54. Stay tuned for the witch burnings!

[cascadiance]

55. I wonder if they allow these guys to legally flaunt state law...

and federal law, etc. with the bill of rights, and other issues, if one couldn't say, "Well, well, well! If they can flaunt state law here and make a community where they do whatever they please, why can't we do the same thing in another community?" Then turn around and take over another community and have it so that one could have things like legalized nudity and public sex, as well as prostitution, and rights to smoke dope wherever you can normally smoke cigarettes (and not directly affect those standing next to you). Have some gambling houses, etc. too. Force a "living wage" minimum wage and have rent control, and tax religious institutions too.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. The person who opens a liquor & porn store right outside the town limits

that also sells condoms and sex toys...

is gonna make a killing.

[BringEmOn]

57. Blazing Saddles' Rock Ridge?

[phylny]

58. Well, since I live near a very large Hassidic town, this neither surprises

me nor worries me.

[Katherine Brengle]

59. Who cares? How do you think all of the towns in New England and the

rest of this country came into being?

Entire states have been founded on religious principles--that's what progress is all about. The times change, the people change, and the rules change.

[Tsiyu]

60. It won't be long

until the whole lot of them are run off due to child molestation, rape and domestic violence. Fundies are not nice to women and children.

[ThatsMyBarack]

65. Maybe the Duggar family should move there.

They'd be very happy, no?

[kineneb]

66. never mind the religous aspects, can they keep a budget?

Unlike the Amish, which are relatively self-contained and self-sufficent, I doubt the people attracted to such a community could keep it running. Wonder how long the economy there will function until they have some kind of fiscal meltdown? Or will they all be exposed to Evil Modern Society-tm by working outside the community. Seems to me that businesses wouldn't exactly flock to the location...


Mother Nature may take care of their problems, global warming will flood them out.

Somehow reminds me of a old joke...genie grants three wishes- 1. put all the assholes in Texas(or Russia, or...), 2. build wall around it that nothing can get in or out of, 3. and then "fill 'er up" with water.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. BYE! Don't let the doors hit yer asses on the way out!

GOOD RIDDANCE!

[LuCifer]

69. I have an idea...

...let's do a DEATH METAL concert just outside their city limits!!!!!!!!!!!

"TONIGHT! ONE NIGHT ONLY! DEATH METAL-PALOOZA 200666! FEATURING:
SLAYER, DEICIDE, MORBID ANGEL, MERCYFUL FATE, MARILYN MANSON, VENOM, THE ELECTRIC HELLFIRE CLUB, THE GENITORTURERS, DIO, SEPUTURA, and Color Me Badd!" Just kidding about the Color Me Badd part, but I had to keep that part of the Beavis & Butthead concept I was adapting intact!

I'll also be sure to email Jebbypoo, and see if *I* can start a town between Yeehaw and Lake Wales for SATANISTS...fair is fair...

Lu

[henslee]

70. And I'll open a titty bar right outside the county line!!

[BoneDaddy]

72. RELAX PEOPLE

This will be something to watch, observe and not denigrate. I, for one, am interested in seeing how exactly it works out. My guess is it will function for a bit, but will eventually fall apart as the younger generation wakes up. It is born from fear.