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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:17 PM
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Wiretapping, Cheney/shooting, Dubai port management -- all dead stories.
Any one of these stories would have virtually destroyed a normal presidency. WTF is it going to take to finally put an end to the disease called the Bush administration?

Quite a few pundits said that these stories had "legs," meaning they were going to be long-term scandals. And there were even conservative pundits who jumped all over the Dubai port management story. Well, if any of these stories had "legs," they've been broken and taken away to an undisclosed location.

I've reached the point where I believe that these miserable swine could eat live babies on TV and get away with it. People would be shocked and outraged, but a few days later coverage of the story would disappear.

I'm a devout agnostic, yet I'm beginning to wonder whether King George (or perhaps Cheney or Rove) has a hidden 666 birthmark.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:23 PM
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1. I do believe that
we have reached scandal fatigue. Each story deadens us for the horrors of the next and under it all is the pain of the scandalous war.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:25 PM
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3. yes, but why hasn't the little turd bottomed out (job perfromance no.s)?
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 02:26 PM by npincus
He's been hovering around 40% for some time now. I am hoping that the new post-port scandal/Cheney shooting numbers will have him in the mid-low twenties. What the hell will it take?
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:49 PM
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13. Fear of Ch*ney?
Fear of H*stert? I think mainstream Amurrica has no confidence in the existing alternatives and that immobilizes them. Plus, we already have a lot of people in office who will do nothing if it jeopardizes what they believe is their right to govern.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:24 PM
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2. To be fair: The Cheney story was fluff.
Don't get me wrong, but compared to everything else, the Cheney story is fluff that that is happily dead.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:25 PM
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4. Have you been down to your Congressperson/Senator's field office
yet and asked them to tell their boss to impeach?

Waiting for other people to make bush go away hasn't been working. We need to do it ourselves. When people actually start asking in person that impeachment begin, that's when something will happen.

Until then, we just keep waiting, don't we?

It's a drag, because it means we have to actually do more than post to DU about how come bush is still there and we have to do more than fire off an e-mail. This democracy stuff is hard work, apparently.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:34 PM
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8. My congressman is a Dem who would vote to impeach in a heartbeat.
My senators, Nelson(D) and Martinez(R) don't get to vote for impeachment. They get to vote guilty or not guilty if the house votes for impeachment.

Martinez would hang himself before he'd vote guilty. Nelson would only vote guilty if he were absolutely certain there were enough votes to ensure there would be no conviction.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:48 PM
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12. Has your congressman signed on to the Conyers bill? Are you
going to let Martinez and Nelson off the hook? The point isn't to only lobby those who already agree, but to put the pressure on those that don't agree.

Make them explain why they don't think impeachment is a good idea.

Nobody else can do this for you. You have to do it yourself. It's a longterm project.

Do you think Cindy Sheehan expected all the lawmakers she lobbied to roll over and stop the war the next day? Of course not. Do you believe King expected that a given march or a boycott was going to bring about structual change the next day? Of course not.


This is about Americans getting off their butts and placing demands on power. Power will never do it on their own. Power only responds to demands.

Or I guess we can sit back and complain about the situation and wonder why nothing is done. I don't see that as much of an alternative.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:28 PM
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5. No one knows what to do...

You have the country coming apart at the seams. Everywhere you turn, it is another scandal. It is so huge. People are paralyzed.

The American people do not WANT this leadership. But, they are clueless as to how to unseat these people. So many are caught up in just trying to make ends meet.

We have lost control. Our voting system is rigged, the corporations dictate policy. The usual channels of dealing with these tyrants are DEAD. Bush has never won an election. Never.

It will take an uprising. Not activism via e-mail. But, a outrage that drives people into the streets & mass protest.

And, until the next depression hits, when it is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore, then you will see change. Hopefully (but not probably), it will be before a point of no return.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:29 PM
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6. I'm not about to give up on the Port fiasco OR wiretapping.
I'll give 'em Cheney, since that was a gift.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:34 PM
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7. I don't agree--The UAE Ports deal has made it harder for Dumya to...
yell "terra," and have it taken seriously. And that's about the only power he had left.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:46 PM
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11. Actually, your take on this makes for a very scary situation.
It could lead to a LIHOP or MIHOP event to help them regain their full power.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:37 PM
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9. They (We) Thought They (We) Were Free
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 02:41 PM by bain_sidhe
"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."

<...>
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

<...>
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in "43" had come immediately after the "German Firm" stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in "33". But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

--Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45


Imagine if the Dubai port deal had happened just after 9/11. Or the NSA spying had ocurred (and been revealed) before 9/11?

A little more of an excerpt from this book can be found here.

**edited for formating and to add a section and a link**
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 02:38 PM
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10. I think these are all 'pots on the boil'
Edited on Mon Feb-27-06 02:39 PM by savemefromdumbya
the pots haven't boiled over yet and a large number are still simmering. Quite a number haven't been put on the stove yet.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 03:22 PM
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14. Depressingly true, Cyrano.
When you look at the evils committed by the Bush crime family that simply fall off the public radar after a couple of days thanks to the media whores, and compare what's happening now with the non-stop drum beating over Monica that got Clinton impeached, it's unbelievable.

The media has the power to whip the populice into a frenzy over the filthy, corrupt crooks in DC. And what do they focus on? Diversion after diversion. It's a sad, sorry country we live in where millions more people could identify Natalie Holloway than Patrick Fitzgerald.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-27-06 03:41 PM
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15. My feeling on this is that ........
People are just burnt out on scandels. They know that these guys are corrupt and they just don't care. At this point they figure the guy is just about done what more harm can he do (I suggest a Sarah Vowell piece "The Pessimism Deficit" to get the answere to that question.)Any way you have the looney base for Bush somewhere between 35 and 40 percent and then the rest of us. I figure that there is a looney left that would love to get Bush out ( I fluctuate in this regard somedays I'm a looney lefty and somedays I just don't give a shit) this group might also make up 35 to 40 percent in that catagory. So that leaves us with about 20% who have to move one way or the other and quite frankly I think they just go you know what they all suck and I am just going to get on with my life if you don't mind but good luck to you!
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