If you support this administration, you are my enemy.

[5X]

Guantanamo: American Gulag

<snip> I am one of those lawyers. I represent six Kuwaiti prisoners, each of whom has now spent nearly four years at Guantanamo. It took me 2 1/2 years to gain access to my clients, but now I have visited the prison camp 11 times in the last 14 months. What I have witnessed is a cruel and eerie netherworld of concrete and barbed wire that has become a daily nightmare for the nearly 500 people swept up after 9/11 who have been imprisoned without charges or trial for more than four years. It is truly our American gulag.
<snip>
Every prisoner I've interviewed claims to have been badly beaten and subjected to treatment that only could be called torture, by Americans, from the first day of U.S. captivity in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They said they were hung by their wrists and beaten, hung by their ankles and beaten, stripped naked and paraded before female guards, and given electric shocks. At least three claimed to have been beaten again upon arrival in Guantanamo. One of my clients, Fayiz Al Kandari, now 27, said his ribs were broken during an interrogation in Pakistan. I felt the indentation in his ribs. "Beat me all you want, just give me a hearing," he said he told his interrogators.
<snip>
When I met with Fawzi three weeks ago, the tubes were out of his nose. I told him I was thankful that after five months he had ended his hunger strike. He looked at me sadly and said, "They tortured us to make us stop." At first, he said, they punished him by taking away his "comfort items" one by one: his blanket, his towel, his long pants, his shoes. They then put him in isolation. When this failed to persuade him to end the hunger strike, he said, an officer came to him Jan. 9 to announce that any detainee who refused to eat would be forced onto "the chair." The officer warned that recalcitrant prisoners would be strapped into a steel device that pulled their heads back, and that the tubes would be forced in and wrenched out for each feeding. "We're going to break this hunger strike," the officer told him.

<http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0226-20.htm>


....if you support this administration, FU.

[Greeby]

1. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists

Perhaps he should have mentioned that the terrorists are the stupid white men in the White House

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[NMDemDist2]

39. they already have and do, take a visit to freepville or Malikin's site

or any of the other right wing forums.

they say that and worse about us daily. while I will defend with my life their right to free speech, I will also spend my time and cash to try to shout down everything they condone and support with their racist hate speech.

oh, and BTW, welcome to DU :hi:

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[NMDemDist2]

47. any of them, they hate us. n/t

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[NMDemDist2]

50. I don't hate Republicans, don't put words in my mouth n/t

[brainshrub]

2. Sorry, I ain't going with you there.

Republicans are assholes, but they're Americans. Just because they are moronic enough to support the Bush Administration doesn't make them my enemies.

I will say this tho': If you support this administration, you are a deeply flawed person.

[BOSSHOG]

5. A little food for thought

I truly believe that supporters of the bush administration are not averse to the whittling away of constitutional liberties of American citizens. I easily place them and religious zealots in the column of domestic ENEMIES of the constitution. As a veteran that really pisses me off, so the enemy thing does not trouble me at all. If they are my fellow Americans then they will not fuck with the constitution.

[brainshrub]

11. Now you're sounding like a Republican.

Let's get serious here.

Republicans love American and he constitution just as much as we do, the difference is that they are misguided asshats who are willing to trade freedom for the illusion of safety. They are not enemies, merely people who simply need to be educated.

Calling people enemies does nothing for the debate and is a step toward anarchy.

If a Republican calls you an enemy, then take the high road.

[BOSSHOG]

14. Them's fighting words!!

I'm looking at my oath of reenlistment that I have engraved on a coin right next to my shadow box encasing the flag presented to me during my retirement ceremony three years ago. It clearly states - "I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC" I do not believe republicans love the constitution. It is an inconvenience to them. It allows people not like them to be free, therefore they have no use for it.

Do you know how you "trade freedom for the illusion of safety?" You fuck with the constitution. If you fuck with the constitution, you are my enemy. Defending the constitution is the high road my fellow American.

If a republican calls me an enemy because of their beliefs I'll congratulate them on their astute observation.

[spag68]

17. oath

Hey bosshog I'm a vet too <59-62> I remember that oath and i'm with you on this. this bushco & co certainly qualifys as domestic enemys.

[spag68]

18. bosshog

I suppose that you know that a bosshog is a harly frame with a 502 chevy in it.

[BOSSHOG]

24. Yes Sir

Boss Hog is a Navy moniker I picked up because of various and asundry stuff .. none including a cycle.

[BOSSHOG]

19. Hey Spag 68 - Welcome

If you wanna fuck with the constitution, you are gonna fuck with a whole passle of vets, those who did their enlistments and those who stuck it through for 20+. I am serious as a heart attack. I truly do not believe bush supporters have any appreciation of the importance of constitutional liberties. Jump on in Spag68, we need your two cents worth.

[spag68]

27. vets

I drive davs to northport on long island because I am abel and it is the right thing to do. In the last two years or so the sentiment has gone a 180 from support of the war to what is this guy doing!

[spag68]

29. gitmo

By the way I was in gitmo in 1960 and it was the cushiest most beautiful place you can imagine. What say we shut it down and turn it into a resort dor vet and put delay rummy cheney and gang in the cells so we can laugh at them

[NMDemDist2]

41. ....

:loveya:

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. It is an inconvenience to them.

It allows people not like them to be free, therefore they have no use for it.

THAT is spot on, BOSSHOG! It IS an inconvenience and that's why the Federalist society worked for the last 25 years prepping Roberts and ScAlito for the SCOTUS. LOOK at where they are.:scared: THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION. "It's just a g-d damn piece of paper."

[BOSSHOG]

43. Lets remain vigilant teammate

People like us really piss them off. How dare us defend that piece of paper?

Like Penn and Teller on West Wing. They "burned" the flag but the constitution remained.

[Critters2]

40. Love the Constitution?!

Repugs I know not only don't LVOE the Constitution, they see it as an obstacle to what they want this country to be. Tolerance is one thing, but sooner or later you need to stand up to protect our fundamental values and rights. People working to erode these are my enemies. And yours, whether you recognize it or not.

[The Stranger]

6. Do you mean "they're Americans"?

[brainshrub]

9. One of the reasons I post on DU:

If that I get gentile reminders to clean up my punctuation.

Thanks. I fixed it.

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[brainshrub]

38. I am the worst speller on the internets.

*sigh*

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[5X]

12. If someone supports this administration..

they support torture.
If they support this administration,
they support unnecessary, illegal wars.
They support lying to the people of this country.
They support war crimes.
Therefore, they are my enemy.

[Peggy Day]

49. And, there is blood on their hands!

[coalition_unwilling]

37. Newt Gingrich said the current era reminds him of

the two decades preceding the U.S. Civil War. I'm sure many people in the North said of the folks at Fort Sumter, ca. 1860: "Southerners are assholes, but they're Americans. Just because they are moronic enough to support slavery doesn't make them my enemies."

[pearl]

3. Are you 5x speaking in first person?

Of Course, we do not support these criminals running this country.

[5X]

4. Yes, I am. I don't see how any one can read ....

the above article and still support this administration
in any way. I will not even call myself an american if I
have to be associated with them.

[The Stranger]

7. Wrong.

An American is one that stands up for the truest ideals and values of the nation.

That they call themselves "Americans" does not mean that one who truly stands up for American values is not one.

Don't let them do that to you.

[5X]

8. I will call myself one.....

but not 'if I have to be associated with them.'
to do so.

[The Stranger]

10. And others will call you one as well.

Speak truth to power.

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[Just Me]

13. Personally, I believe those who support BushCO hate America,...

,...and American laws, values and ideals.

Torture is NOT an American ideal or value and is illegal.

An aggressive, unilateral war without cause is NOT an American ideal or value and is illegal.

Defrauding an entire nation (the U.S.A.), her people and her representatives is NOT an American ideal or value and is illegal.

Defying the Constitution and federal law by spying on Americans is NOT an American ideal or value and is illegal.

Endangering national security by out a CIA agent and op is NOT an American ideal or value and is illegal.

Favoring the extremely wealthy on the backs of common wo/men is NOT an American ideal or value.

Placing incompetent cronies in high positions is NOT an American ideal or value.

"Losing" billions of dollars is NOT an American ideal or value.

Cheating is NOT American ideal or value.

I could go on and on and on.

This administration is ANTI-AMERICAN is so many ways. So, I figure those who support it MUST HATE AMERICA.

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[Just Me]

20. Those who have disabled profiles have nothing to offer me. n/t

[Sugar Smack]

23. That one'll probably be gone in a few minutes.

I smell pizza.

[Crunchy Frog]

26. Mmmm, pizza!

[annabanana]

22. enjoy your stay

[Amonester]

25. What an idot reply...

"there's a bridge I can sell ya."

This one is dedicated to the likes of 'ya:'

FREEPERS....if you got any guts read this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x528210

Buh-bye. :hi:

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[annabanana]

21. The administration is not "America"

This is maladministration.. this is a criminal syndicate that has hijacked the America that we know and love.
They are enemies, domestic, that everyone in office is sworn to protect the people against. This administration is dangerous and out of control.

[cascadiance]

44. Just as David Bowie and Pat Metheney would say! Amen!

[Rocknrule]

28. Remember, only Sith (or Republicans, same thing) deal in absolutes

[The Stranger]

30. Kicked and recommended.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. Can't Join Ya There, Way Too Narrow Minded.

Those that support the administration after having access to and awareness to the crimes they perpetrate are my enemy.

Those, however, that do not know what they do, are not my enemy but are instead the meek upon which I need to reach out to the most to spread the word of truth. They are in fact the ones that need us the most, and I never consider those that need help the most my enemies.

[Just Me]

32. I'm with you.

There really ARE lots of people who are not culpable but rather more easily mislead and vulnerable to deception. They are in need.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. It's Fairly Evident Just Even Looking At Poll Numbers.

When we see how much he's dropped in the past year or so, we have to must realize then that all of those now against him were at that time supporting him, and would've been considered our "Enemies" based on the OP's standpoint. But they weren't, they just needed more time to be informed and become aware.

[magellan]

51. I agree with you, 5X.

Anyone who still supports/defends BushCo at this late stage in the game, after all the information that's come out in the last year confirming how corrupt and dangerous they are, is being willfully ignorant for superficial, selfish reasons. Bushbots can't even use the excuse of being loyal Republicans because the GOP is no more -- it's been taken over by Neocons who are nothing but militant liars and thieves. Neocons respect the Constitution less than you or I respect a roll of toilet paper. It doesn't get more anti-American than that in my book.

Those who support Bush** are enemies to America. MY enemy.