Okay, you're top three for 08'

[Dawgs]

1) Russ Fiengold
2) Wes Clark
3) Barack Obama



Russ,

Wes,

Barack, (Great Picture of Bill!!!)

:smoke:

[Vincardog]

1. Obama is niot ready

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. Why.

[Vincardog]

65. The Filibuster? How about the Bankruptcy bill?

[FreedomAngel82]

67. The same reason's Hillary isn't

They don't have much experience in politics. Same reason why I wouldn't support Clark either.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Those Aren't Reasons For Him Not Being Ready. They Are Reasons For Why You

may not support him to run. But what are the reasons you think that politically within a national election setting, he would not be ready.

[FreedomAngel82]

87. He is still a baby in politics

I don't support anyone who doesn't have the experience to back up the particular office they are seeking. So if someone is running for president I should suspect they know what the hell they're doing before they have my support. Same reason why I couldn't ever support Nader even if I agreed with him (which I don't even know where he is on issues since I never bothered to pay attention since it doesn't really matter to me).

[Clark2008]

103. Why does being a politician matter to you so much?

I don't get this line of thinking.

MOST people, I feel safe saying, would rather a leader NOT be a politician, but more of a statesman, which isn't necessarily learned through running campaigns. I'm one of those people who think that leadership can be learned in a variety of different roles and not just being elected.

For example, Bush was a veteran of two gubernatorial campaigns and one presidential campaign by the time he was (s)elected to the pResidency and he's not a leader, but Dwight Eisenhower never ran campaign one until he ran for president (and won), yet he was a leader among men.

:shrug:

[Skidmore]

89. Seems to me that if Dan Quayle could be VP,

there is no reason Obama couldn't--and Obama is light years more intelligent than Quayle. He's definitely already way more qualified than * was for anything.

[FrankLee]

2. Al Gore/Wes Clark/Russ Feingold - n/t

[LiberalEsto]

15. I like that selection. NT

[Blue Belle]

3. Feingold, Kerry, Gore

Maybe not in that order.

[WI_DEM]

4. Gore/Clark/Warner

[phylny]

49. Ditto! n/t

[ObaMania]

100. Ditto ditto. n/t

[godai]

101. Ditto

[peace frog]

117. Yep.

Obama isn't ready and Feingold, while an excellent choice in my opinion, is too far left to appeal to more conservative voters.

[AndyTiedye]

5. CONYERS!

John Conyers (If only he'd run!)
Barbara Boxer
Russ Feingold

[rucky]

12. Hey, you took my choices!

in that order, btw.

If Conyers doesn't run, then Kucinich.

[madokie]

93. Yep, John would be my choice also.

[mdmc]

6. just for funsies

1) Al Gore (with Hillary Clinton or Wes Clark)
2) Bernie Saunders (with Wes Clark or Hillary Clinton)
3) Anyone as long as Bernie Saunders is Veep.

:kick:

[mdmc]

10. Gore, Saunders, Anyone as long as Bernie Saunders is veep!

:kick:

[Seen the light]

7. Gore, Clark, and Feingold

I still have serious questions about Clark and Feingold though. But I'm 100% behind Gore if he decides to run again.

[rucky]

8. I am?! thanks!

'

[SoCalDem]

85. you're could be plural.. I'm in too

:)

[serryjw]

9. My 3, based on a chance of the nomination

WES, WES, WES I would absolutely support Feingold, Boxer and DK but none have a chance, IMHO

[LSparkle]

11. Gore / Edwards / Clark (or maybe reverse the last 2)

Obama would be a good veep for any one of them.

[cali]

13. What the heck.

1) John Edwards. I like him more and more. He's quietly fighting poverty, something few politicians even have the guts to acknowledge.
2) Russ Feingold. Love the guy. He models integrity.
3) Hmmm. I don't have a 3 yet.

[WI_DEM]

14. Edwards would be very good too

[tkmorris]

75. You nailed mine as well

Edwards, followed bt Feingold, and a big question mark after that. I can't think of anyone else that fits the bill.

Of course you have people like Conyers, Rangel, Kucinich, Wexler, and many others in and out of politics. None of them have any chance of winning the nomination though so, there ya go.

[neuvocat]

16. Well...

Clark, Dean, Kerry.

[Dunvegan]

17. Gore - Clark - Kerry

...or any Pres/VP combination thereof (including Conyers, Fiengold, or Obama for Veep.)

Edited to add veepish choices.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Gore/Clark... Clark/Feingold.. Clark/BOXER.....

Feingold/Clark.....Boxer/Clark


Clark!:thumbsup:

I like THIS picture better.:loveya:

[WilliamPitt]

19. Dream three vs. Reality three

Dream three:

1) Kucinich
2) Clark
3) Gore

Reality three:

1) Clark
2) Kerry
3) Warner

[BootinUp]

72. I like your choices there, heres mine then

Dream three:

1) Clark
2) Obama
3) Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Reality three:

1) Warner
2) Clark
3) Clinton

So what has happened that raised your interest in Clark?

[WilliamPitt]

83. Honestly

If Kerry had picked Clark for VP, he'd be President today. 'Nuff said.

Clark learned how to be a candidate too late for '04, learned too late the way to swing it. But he learned, and would have made a magnificent VP candidate...and will be the Big Dog in '08, unless my barometer has gone completely screwy.

My interest in Clark has always been raised, but he couldn't get out of his own way in the primaries, until it was too late. One does not answer seven primary debate questions with "I don't know" and expect to survive. But that changed. There was a moment, late, when you could see the *click* happen, but by then the deal had gone down.

I see Clark being the main candidate in '08, and the party would be foolish to miss the point on that. JMHO.

[politicasista]

20. Too early to tell. 2006 matters now. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. This pic's BETTER! Wesley Kanne Clark

:loveya:

[napi21]

22. It's too soon to answer!

I've been watching them all, but every so often a new face enters the picture. I was very impressed with Gov. Brian Schweitzer yesterday on WJ in the AM and on 60 Minutes. He's only been a Gov for 1 year, and he says he doesn't want to leave Montana, but all that could change in a year or so.

I realize it's fun to play "Pretend" but I think it's way too early to say.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. OR this pic.......; )

[MsKandice01]

28. Be still my heart!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. I know! I know!

:loveya: He's is SOMETHING ELSE!:loveya:

[Demoiselle]

24. Gore, Clark, Dean. (eom)

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. Clark (Strong 1st), then probably Feingold then probably Gore

I am more confident that Clark will run than either Feingold or Gore, and more confident that Clark would win than either Feingold or Gore. I remain quite impressed with Clark. After Feingold and Gore, of the bunch of centrists who are making noises; maybe Warner, but without any enthusiam for him at the moment. Dean would be battling for second or third with me if he were running, but I appreciate the job he is now doing at DNC. I would rank Kerry higher, maybe three or four, if he were running for the first time now, but his loss is too recent for me. The same is probably true of Edwards. Maybe I would call Edwards a soft 5th for me now, but the drop off after my top three is pretty damn steep. I don't rank Kucinich because I honestly don't think he has a chance at getting the nomination and he may not even want it.

And I know 2006 comes before 2008, lol.

[skipos]

26. Warner/ Clark/ Not Sure

[Bacchus39]

74. same here

n/t

[MsKandice01]

27. Wesley Clark, Wesley Clark and Wesley Clark

Oh...and I'd pick Wesley Clark too.

[sandnsea]

29. Kerry, Feingold, RFK, Jr n/t

[dogindia]

30. gore definitely, what about clinton for veep?

[bunkerbuster1]

36. Well, it'd allow us to recycle the old Clinton/Gore stickers

just flip 'em.

Seriously, sure, I'd love to see Al and Hillary running together. Just like I wanted John and Paul to patch things up as well.

[Rosco T.]

31. Gore/Obama ... can't fail n/m

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Hey Rosco T! tell me about Mark Maron

coming back to AAR. Is he replacing Majority Report...or what? What's going on with his schedule? Do you know? I heard his new time slot is 10:00 PM PT. Is that right?

[Rosco T.]

58. YGPM n/m

[Ava]

34. feingold, feingold, feingold!

russ feingold is my top pick. i pray to god that democrats don't make the same mistake they made last time by picking a candidate everyone hated. if democrats nominate hillary we will most likely lose.

[stlsaxman]

35. Gore, Fiengold then Edwards...

Did I say Gore? Yeah Al Gore, too....


...and did I say Gore?


He's our President In Exile...


The other two would be cool, too but for me there's only one pick... guess who that is- ;)

[adriennui]

37. here goes......

clark, feingold, (and for some fun the honorable charlie rangel). OK, how bout barbara boxer.

[Mz Pip]

38. Clark/Obama

would be my first choice.

Feingold, Warner

and then there's that Governor from Montana I saw on 60 minutes last night. Interesting fellow. Smart, down to earth. Schweitzer(sp ?) is his name. Could be a real dark horse in all of this.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[adriennui]

39. warner leaves me cold

even though he seems quite popular with DUers. why is he being hyped, isn't he a first term governor (like the chimp).

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Warner is NOT popular with DUers! He's a DLC member.

He's NOT well liked here. :) I could do a poll here and show you, if you'd like me to.;)

[phylny]

52. However, having lived in Virginia when he was the governor, I really

liked him and appreciated him. He was smart and honest, and did a good job in Virginia.

So, I'll go against the grain here on DU - I would support him :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. My sister lives in Virginia.

She said she thinks he won because the voters thought they were voting for JOHN WARNER'S SON!:rofl::rofl:

[phylny]

70. Heh, and this time around, what happened? :) n/t

[Mz Pip]

43. He wouldn't be my first choice

but he probably could help with the South. We do need someone who can turn a couple of Red states Blue. I am thinking strategy here.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. WES CLARK! Arkansas! He can win some red states.

:)

[Mz Pip]

64. That's why he's my first choice

I also think he is the smartest one out there. But the Dems will have to think outside the box in order for him to be the candidate. The Dems will have be willing to try something new, not nominate another career politician. I wonder if they can do that.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[PassingFair]

53. Feingold/Gore

or Feingold/Boxer!

Now I'm day-dreamin!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. I'll Go With Way Too Early To Even Pay It Mind. Did You Know Bill Existed

yet in February 1989?

[Texacrat]

44. #1 Hillary Clinton

#2 John Edwards
#3 Joe Manchin

[Lorien]

45. Gore, Feingold, Conyers

or Clark.

[DawnneOBTS]

47. Wesley Clark

If the Repukes are going to play the security issue as KKKRove says they are, then run a general. Makes sense to me. What the hell can BushCo say then? That the guy knows nothing about security or war? LOL

[DemExpat]

48. Wes Clark and a good VP....

:kick:

DemEx

[loudestchick]

50. Clark/ Obama!

Clark/Sebelius
Clark/Richardson

I love Dean, but he is OUR DNC chair and we need him there.

I respect Kerry and Gore...but neither of them would be happy as second-fiddles to Clark...and he's the man!

[Crunchy Frog]

51. Wes Clark and Russ Feingold.

I really can't think of a number three, unless Barbara Boxer is thinking of running.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. None of the Above: Al Gore.

Although Feingold or Clark would be fine in the #2 slot. I like Obama, but it's still early for him, and he's gonna need to build some bridges with the base.

[Vox_Reason]

Clark, Gore, Edwards, Feingold.

When will our long national nightmare be over?

[coalition_unwilling]

56. Feingold, Gore, Paul Hackett . . . with dashes of

Robert Byrd, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, Dennis Kucinich and Sheila Jackson Lee.

Hey, wait a second, that makes a pretty good Cabinet

[Rowdyboy]

57. Clark, Edwards, and Richardson.....in that order

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

59. How am I top 3 for '08?

:evilgrin:

[Buck Rabbit]

60. Hillary, McCain, Kucinich

My feet are cold and I wanted to make sure I got flamed so I covered my bases.

We in Oregon (California's Canada) have no say because our primary is so late, so I'll just give a symbolic write in for Dennis K for old times sake and vote for the Democrat, whoever that may be come November '08.

[Texacrat]

86. I'm not going to flame you per se since you put Hillary over McCain, but

seriously, McCain??? You must think the 2008 field is outstanding then, I guess.

[Katherine Brengle]

98. Sing-Along: "One of these things is not like the other"

Kucinich is so far beyond either Clinton of McCain, it's not even fair to group them together.

[Buck Rabbit]

111. Love that song!

I thought I did a good job of picking one from each column left, center and right.

Seriously though, what I am saying is those of us who have late primaries really have no say. Red State democrats will decide who our candidate is before those of us out here get a say. So I'll end up voting for whoever they pick for us.

If we did have a say I would go for Feingold. Clark, Kerry or Gore would be okay.


<Edited out effects of old age and hard drinking on my spelling>

[CabalPowered]

61. Clark, Clark and maybe Russ

[Adelante]

62. Clark, Feingold, Kerry nt

[Sydnie]

63. who said these were MY top three?

Was there a poll that I answered in my sleep or something? :shrug:

[Der Blaue Engel]

84. No, it says you ARE top three

}(

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Mine are

John Kerry



Russ Feingold



I don't really have a third person. I LOVE the picture of Clinton too!

[PhilipShore]

68. AL Gore -- Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. -- General Wesley Clark

[LSK]

71. Gore, Kerry, Feingold

[Scout1071]

73. Gore, Gore, and Gore. With anybody but Lieberman.

[LWolf]

76. Kucinich, Boxer, Feingold. n/t

[lonestarnot]

77. Gore, Fiengold, Conyers!

[More Than A Feeling]

78. 1) Feingold 2) Edwards 3) Clark

Russ Feingold is my candidate for president in 2008. I trust him to restore our civil liberties, based on his long (and sometimes lonely) fight against the PATRIOT Act. He'll return us to a sane foreign policy (he called for a plan for withdrawal even before Rep. Murtha stood up). The Concord Coalition has has honored him repeatedly for his fiscal responsibility. Russ Feingold be a wise and principled president.

I like John Edwards because of his dedication to alleviating poverty, which is a social problem that hasn't been discussed openly and nationally in a long time. We desperately need to make another nationwide attempt to "win the war on poverty". This time, we'll do it right.

Wes Clark is a strong leader, with the resume to prove it. It didn't quite work for Kerry, but Clark doesn't have a voting record, and has a differently personality and style from the senator, and that might make all the difference in the world.

If Feingold or Edwards is the nominee, then Mark Warner should be the VP, to win Virginia, and to attract Republicans who aren't insane. If it's Clark, then Feingold should be the VP, because, well, I like Feingold!:D

on edit: in the event of an Al Gore run, Feingold will continue to be my first choice, followed by Gore and Edwards. Clark would move down to fourth. If Gore wins, his VP should be Mark Warner or Wes Clark.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

79. Lieberman, Hillary, Bayh.

:popcorn:

J/K

Dean, Gore, Clark.

[Samantha]

80. Gore

Russ would make a good VP.

That's it for me.

[Sabien]

81. Obama, Kucinich, Feingold

anybody but the re-treds...Hillary, Gore, Lieberman, Kerry, Edwards, etc.

[FrenchieCat]

82. I go with

Dream Team:

Clark
Obama
Feingold


Reality Team:
Clark
Feingold
?


Best combo--

[NuttyFluffers]

88. Gallagher, Janeanne Garofalo, Amy Goodman

but, sadly, i live in a far less perfect world. well, here's hoping a write-in campaign for mickey mouse one day succeeds. :toast: chin chin!

[PBass]

90. My 3, no order

Clark, Edwards, Clinton

I think all three would be great choices as VP candidates. I don't have anyone I love yet, for the top of the ticket.

[JNelson6563]

91. Obama would be a terrible mistake

he is so not ready. When you have a politician running for a spot that is a bit beyond their grasp they lean heavily on advisors. Too heavily.

Julie

[Skidmore]

97. I'd support Obama in a heartbeat.

He's intelligent, thoughtful, and has heart. Above all, he tells the truth. We don't need slick politicos; we need honest and honorable leaders.

[JNelson6563]

102. He would depend too heavily on advisors

and there would be the inevitable turf wars. When he's got more years behind him it will be better for him to run.

Julie

[obxhead]

92. good luck.....

.... :(

[democrank]

94. 1st choice....Wes Clark

2nd choice...Wes Clark
3rd choice...Wes Clark

[CrazyForKucinich]

95. 1. Conyers 2. Kucinich 3. Feingold

[Katherine Brengle]

96. *your* and I agree that Obama isn't ready--I like Feingold--he has

more honor than any other politician I can think of off the top of my head with no sleep...

Clark is good too.

Oh, and Tom Vilsack.




























HAHA-just kidding.

[Fox Mulder]

99. Feingold/Gore/Kucinich

A man can dream, can't he?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

107. May I second that?

Those are pretty much my only choices. This is gonna be a tough presidential race for me -- I may be forced to write in my candidate if the Dem choice is crap.

[Jai4WKC08]

104. Clark, Feingold, ???

First choice is Wes Clark. Always. I think he is one of history's Great Men, with the potential to be one of our country's Great Presidents, of the caliber of a Washington, Lincoln or FDR. With the trouble this nation is in, we could use a Great President. Some might call it hero worship, but I think we could use some of that too. Washington and FDR had it, as did Jack Kennedy. So did Bobby, or would have if he'd had the chance. I also think that if voters get to see Clark firsthand, without the corporate media filter, they will reach the same conclusion. Which may be overly optimistic.

Distant second is Russ Feingold. I see in him many of the qualities I admire in Clark: integrity, intelligence, the courage to do the right thing even when it's not popular, solid positions on the issues and, for the most part, the right priorities--like Clark, Feingold seems to "get" that the biggest threat we face is to our Constitution and democratic system of government. Feingold doesn't have the executive experience Clark does, or the foreign policy/diplomacy chops, but I think he has the ability to learn those things on the job--that he would have to isn't ideal, but it's as good as what most presidents come to office with. I don't see the charisma or energy in Feingold that I do in Clark. Nor the ability to speak to the common man or woman without talking down to them. Feingold will never be inspiring, or reach across the partisan divide. But if Feingold were president, he'd be a damn good one. Too bad that will never happen. This country is just not ready to elect a Jew (I say that as a Jew), and I rather doubt our Party is ready to nominate one either. Throw in his divorced status and that he's a senator... well, I could get behind him if he wins the nomination (which is more than I can say about the other likely canidates), but I don't think it will happen.

Of the rest who will probably constitute the '08 primary field (Biden, Clinton, Warner, Bayh, Richardson, Vilsack, Kerry, Edwards... I think people are fooling themselves that Gore will run), I just can't see any of 'em as being worth working for, or getting my hopes up about. Altho, that said, I'm sure the Repubs will put up someone scary enough that I'll end up doing what I can, even if I think it's a lost cause. So I would probably go with the one who seems most electable, since I don't much care for any of them on issues or character. Which will put me back in the usual position of voting against the Repub instead of for the Democrat. I hate that.

[iconoclastNYC]

105. Is Wes close to the DLC?

I want to like Wes but I just can't help but think he'd be more into the corporate agenda then a progressive agenda that benefits all Americans.

[FrenchieCat]

112. The DLC doesn't seem to "like" Wes Clark.....maybe he's not

as controllable as they would like. I guess it is too bad for them that he's one of those soldiers that doesn't follow orders if he doesn't like them.
The DLC seem to relish ignoring Wes Clark instead.

Is this a "corporate" agenda to you?

Editorial on Income Tax plans - Clark's is the best for the working poor.
http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2004/02/18/opinion/myers.html

Clark gets behind Single Payer Health Insurance Program
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/1/30/17455/5250

Clark rails against Media Consolidation
http://www.soonerthought.com/archives/000280.html

Clark and Affirmative action - (A bigoted editorial from the right)
http://www.nationalreview.com/clegg/clegg200310290838.asp

Clark's petition pushing Privacy bill
http://ga4.org/campaign/phone_privacy

Clark's work on Darfur - Genocide again!
http://securingamerica.com/taxonomy/term/59

Clark Marches to stop Global Warming
http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/marchers/?2724

Clark Defends Cindy Sheehan on Fox
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/09/24/wesley_clark_stands_his_ground_defends_cindy_sheehan.php

I'll be voting for Wes Clark by Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-01-14

Listing of 2005 events (run the gammut....from an ACLU dinner to campaigning with Democratic candidates who needed help mainly in the Red States) and organizations ties--
http://www.awesclarkdemocrat.com/2006/01/the_list_2005.htm

[iconoclastNYC]

122. Thanks for the links.

It's nice to find a Wes supporter who can provide true insight.

[iconoclastNYC]

106. Feingold, Dean, Gore

[VOX]

108. Edwards / Feingold / Clark / Gore

I keep coming back to these three. They are all tops, IMO -- committed, proven leadership, sterling character, ability to inspire, etc.

I'd enthusiastically support any one of these folks in a heartbeat.

On edit: I'd also have to add Al Gore to my picks, for the same reasons stated above.

[JeffR]

109. Conyers, Boxer and... uh, Jim Traficant

There now.

Without Democratic gains in 2006, 2008 is meaningless.

[stevietheman]

110. I'm with Clark, although I like Feingold.

Obama is not ready. He must be getting a lot of pain in his arse from all the fence-straddling he does. He's simply not good at making clear-cut statements. He's the ultimate politician, and that's exactly what we do not want.

[memory]

113. Dream Candidate for me : Bill Moyers

Yeah, I know, but its my dream. I think he is genuine and wise.:applause:

Reality:

Fiengold
Obama
Clark (I would put him first, because I like him and think he stands a good chance but his past lobbying is troubling to me.):dilemma:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A58300-2004Jan28

No way should it be Clinton or Kerry

[renate]

121. I love that man!

Welcome to DU, by the way! :hi:

You messed up my lists, though. My dream list was Clark, Kucinich, Gore (with a VP dream list of Feingold, Boxer, Conyers), and my reality list is Clark, Gore, Feingold. But I totally heart Bill Moyers, too... so I gave him Gore's place on my dream list. Al's used to being treated unfairly when it comes to voting, after all.

[question everything]

114. NONE!!

A lot of things can happen between now and the end of 2007, when the candidates get ready for the primaries.

Choosing anyone now blocks our ability to think, yes, outside the box, to select the Candida who has demonstrated that he has a clear vision of the future of our country, who has an understanding of what it will take to get there - yes, including compromising on some issues that will create burning flames here - and who can effectively communicate his ideas.

And just a general comment: a senator can be quite effective as a legislative; an important trait since, after all, we are a nation of law, but not necessarily an effective executive or a manager who knows how to run an executive office.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

115. Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Susan Sarandon.

But, to our detriment, we'll be stuck with posturing politicans kissin' ugly babies, eatin' pizza and egg rolls and blintzes, and reeling off the usual platitudes, while telling us a pack of lies.

[FrenchieCat]

116. It's not nice to call babies "ugly"....ya know!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

118. Why do they all look like Winston Churchill?

[FrenchieCat]

119. Well, SOMEbody has to look like him!

:shrug:

[savemefromdumbya]

120. Spoilt for choice here Boxer, Gore, Kerry, Feingold,

I know Hillary will get the nomination and Barack is being groomed for VP.

[Chiyo-chichi]

123. William Jennings Bryan, John Kern, John Albert Johnson!!!

...oh.... you meant TWO THOUSAND and eight??

[TornadoTN]

124. Obama, Clark, Edwards, Feingold

I know, I know, "Obama is not ready". Maybe not in most people's eyes, but after the mess that has been placed on this country, it is going to take an unconventional leader to insert some new blood into the process. I tend to think that he just may be the person that could rise to extraordinary levels if given the opportunity.

[bullwinkle428]

125. Clark...Feingold...Gore...

[July]

126. Clark.

He's way out in front for me.

I wouldn't mind seeing Gore or Kerry go for it again, either.

Lots of good choices for VP out there. I kind of like Sheila Jackson-Lee, to the extent that I know about her (not that much, but I like what I see when I do hear her or read about her).