NOW! Live coverage of Senate Judiciary Hearing on Domestic Surveillance>>>

[meganmonkey]

STARTING NOW!

http://kpfa.org/listen/

Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on Domestic Surveillance
Tuesday February 28th, beginning at 6 am - Tune in for gavel-to-gavel coverage of the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearing on domestic surveillance with critical analysis hosted by Pacifica National Correspondent Larry Bensky.

[meganmonkey]

1. Anyone interested?!

Several legal experts including Woolsey are bing questioned about the legality of bushco's domestic spying program.

This is a continuation of the hearings from Feb 6 when Gonzales was questioned.

[babylonsister]

4. Sounds good, but I have CSPAN on listening to

two men talking about the ports deal and how great it will be!
I wonder why CPAN isn't showing the spying hearings? Maybe they will?

[meganmonkey]

6. I don't see it on their schedule

maybe because Gonzales is done 'testifying' (aka NOT UNDFER OATH!! :grr: I'm still mad about that)

But I look forward to hearing what the legal experts have to say - especially the ones who are apologists for the bush admin.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. 9:30 CSPAN

according to the schedule. :)

[meganmonkey]

10. I think that is a different one -

That is the Armed Services Committee, this is the Judiciary Committee...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. oops. you're right

I need more coffee. :)

[meganmonkey]

15. Mornin' Sunshine!

:hi:

[hang a left]

2. Why are they not being televised?

[meganmonkey]

3. I don't know - it doesn't look like C-Span is covering them

:shrug:

KPFA has better commentary anyway.

[liveoaktx]

5. Also, >>>webcast<<<< from the Senate Judiciary site

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=1770
NOTICE OF FULL COMMITTEE HEARING

The Senate Committee on the Judiciary will hold a hearing on "Wartime Executive Power and the NSA’s Surveillance Authority II" on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 at 9:30 a.m. in the Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226.

By order of the Chairman

Tentative Witness List

Hearing before the

Senate Judiciary Committee

on

"Wartime Executive Power and the NSA’s Surveillance Authority II"

Tuesday, February 28, 2006

9:30 a.m., Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226

Panel I

The Honorable James Woolsey

Vice President Global Strategic Security Division

Booz Allen Hamilton

McLean, VA

Harold Hongju Koh

Dean

Yale Law School

New Haven, CT

Ken Gormley

Associate Professor of Constitutional Law

Duquesne University School of Law

Pittsburgh, PA

Doug W. Kmiec

Professor

Pepperdine University School of Law

Malibu, CA

Bruce Fein, Esq.

Fein & Fein

Washington, DC

Robert F. Turner

Associate Director

Center for National Security Law

University of Virginia

Charlottesville, VA

Robert Levy, Esq.

Senior Fellow in Constitutional Studies

CATO Institute

Washington, DC

[PRETZEL]

12. this should be interesting,

Woolsey vs. Fein on the same panel. If memory serves me right they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. I know for Fein (Federalist Society?) firmly believes the admin is violating the Constitution and took part in the Dem hearings last month.

May just have to tune in for this one.

But, alas, I seriously doubt anyone will be held accountable for their remarks (ala Gonzales).

[bluethruandthru]

7. Isn't this an exercise in futility?

Nothing's going to come of it... The way our government works, the idiot in chief can do anything he wants as long as his "legal advisors" tell him it's okay!

[meganmonkey]

9. Well, no one's going to make you listen

:shrug:

I don't think it is futile to know what the legal experts think about this. I don't think anyone harbors any illusions that this hearing is going to bring bushco down, but that doesn't mean it is useless to know how they are justifying the spying and how to counter their arguments...

[bluethruandthru]

11. I know..I'm just frustrated

that more and more crap about this administration continues to come out..but nothing changes...other than the poll numbers. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled that people are starting to wake up to what these crooks are doing/have done...but I don't think our lawmakers get it! We want action...not just talk.

[meganmonkey]

14. Okay, it's on!

One excuse for not talking to Congress about it is that "This town leaks like a seive"

[meganmonkey]

16. So today they are swearing in all witnesses

unlike last time when they didn't find it necessary to swear in the fricking atty general.

James Woolsey is first up.

[liveoaktx]

17. HYPOCRITE-Specter swearing in all the witnesses

but couldn't do that for Gonzales.

[PRETZEL]

27. of course not,

look at the panel. No one with direct connections to the administration. Nothing said today could be held against them. These people may be "experts", but not one of them was directly involved in the decision to start the program.

[liveoaktx]

18. Woolsey-1st statement "Since we're in a war"

Yeah, let's start that out right away and throw in "Fanatic"-take "totalitarianism and it's views seriously"

[liveoaktx]

20. One spy at a time surveillance system not designed to move with

fast moving battlefield mapping. -Woolsey

So what he's saying is that if they run across a laptop with a bunch of telephone numbers, it requires a fast turnaround that FISA cannot address.

[meganmonkey]

22. Which we know is a lie by omission

since they have 15 days (or 3 depending how you look at it) to get a retroactive warrant.

[liveoaktx]

24. And it's comparing apples and oranges-in the one case

he's talking about finding a laptop, in the other, monitoring ALL telecomm transmissions and datamining by keyword.

[madokie]

19. Thanks, listening and i like the sound of it so far,

why the flip-flop on swearing in the witness though. :sarcasm: really the most important one would have been the little torture man, but ole arlen cut him a deal :mad:

[liveoaktx]

21. "NSA program blatantly illegal"

Same constitution requires that the president obey the 4th amendment

[meganmonkey]

23. Fighting terrorism outside of the law is deeply counterproductive

:thumbsup:

[liveoaktx]

25. "issuing blank checks that the president could redefine at will"

[liveoaktx]

26. That was Dean Koh

[meganmonkey]

28. He was good

minced no words.

[liveoaktx]

29. Thought Levy was going to be a Bush apologist-he is surprising me

CATO institute-
"War powers SHARED between the president and Congress"

He wouldn't get along with Yoo, eh?

[meganmonkey]

30. LEVY - War powers are shared by Congress and Pres

What is the scope of president's war powers?

The NSA program is overreaching his powers - because of an express prohibition of this (FISA law). He may have some right to curb civil rights in wartime but this goes too far.

[leftchick]

31. what freakin channel is it on?

all I can find is negroponte and the armed services committee.

[liveoaktx]

32. Look above you- Radio OR webcast-I'm watching webcast

from the Judiciary website

[meganmonkey]

33. C-Span not covering it

KPFA and liveoaks link above - post #5...

Hi Sweets! :hi:

[leftchick]

47. CSPAN IS NOT COVERING THIS???

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Hi megan, sorry I posted so curtly above. I am trying to clean and thought I would listen while I did. I am dumbfounded c-span is not showing this! I will try the link on my laptop. Thanks sweetie!

:)

[liveoaktx]

34. heh-quoting TS Elliot as justification for President's War Powers-

pfftttt
Doug W. Kmiec

[meganmonkey]

35. Oh gawd, I missed that

Thank goodness!

[liveoaktx]

36. I ADORE Bruce Fein-this will be good

[liveoaktx]

37. equally justify mail openings, torture, murder....

[meganmonkey]

39. and INTERNMENT CAMPS!!

[meganmonkey]

38. The theory invoked by the Pres to justify this

would also justify INTERNMENT CAMPS!! Holy Crap! I can't believe he said that! Is this Fein?

[liveoaktx]

40. You remember he also testified at Conyers hearing

[liveoaktx]

41. Whole Purpose of FiSA to have a check... right of people to be secure

in their persons, effects.

[liveoaktx]

42. The burden of explaining why needs to be on the president

not US to explain about a program we know nothing about.

[liveoaktx]

43. Here comes a big asshole-Turner

He was on the dais with Torture Pimp when the Georgetown students protested

[meganmonkey]

46. TAP THIS!

[meganmonkey]

44. Fein - essentially, it is is ridiculous that we should be here trying to

prove that this secret program is illegal, since we can't possibly know enough about it since it is SO SECRET, and the burden should be on bushcco to prove that it is legal - good point.

I totally paraphrased that with my own impressions mixed in, so don't quote him on that!

[liveoaktx]

45. good paraphrase-I'm going to try to clip this if I can get the webcast

[meganmonkey]

48. Ken Gormley is up...

[hang a left]

49. Asshole

rewriting history on the fbi field agents requests to search Massoui laptop.

[meganmonkey]

50. Okay, I did my best

I can't pay close attention anymore since I am supposed to be...um...working :hide:

[liveoaktx]

52. before you go, start a second thread for this.

[liveoaktx]

51. So... Woolsey, Kmiec, Turner are the Bush apologists while

Koh, Gormley, Fein, Levy are for smacking Bush down for breaking the law.

[meganmonkey]

53. tHREAD #2 STARTED

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x537595

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. Thank you for posting this! This should be aired on c-span! eom

[Lex]

55. Locking.

Thread #2 has started.