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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 02:44 PM
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The chaos in Iraq was deliberately orchestrated by the Bush regime
Chaos is their game. Chaos has been the Bush regime's most successful pursuit.

I wonder who in the administration is looking over these SAIC reports that were generated by Marines in the period before the mosque bombing, muckraking around the Iraqi sects - probing them, manipulating them - documenting their reactions to see what will happen when they begin to stir up the minorities in Iran to revolt against the government there.

Do you suppose this had anything to do with the recent unrest in Iraq?


US Marines Probe Tensions Among Iran’s Minorities

Financial Times
(February 23, 2006)

The intelligence wing of the US marines has launched a probe into Iran’s ethnic minorities at a time of heightened tensions along the border with Iraq and friction between capitals. Iranian activists involved in a classified research project for the marines told the FT the Pentagon was examining the depth and nature of grievances against the Islamic government, and appeared to be studying whether Iran would be prone to a violent fragmentation along the same kind of fault lines that are splitting Iraq.

The research effort comes at a critical moment between Iran and the US. Last week the Bush administration asked Congress for $75m to promote democratic change within Iran, having already mustered diplomatic support at the UN to counter Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons programme.

Marine Corps Intelligence defines its role as focusing “on crises and predeployment support to expeditionary warfare”. It also provides threat and technical intelligence assessments for the Marines. The first study, on Iraq, was completed in late 2003, more than six months after marines spearheaded the US invasion. About 23,000 marines are still in Iraq. The Iran study was finished late last year. Hicks and Associates is a wholly owned subsidiary of Science Applications International Corp, one of the biggest US defence contractors and deeply involved in the prewar planning for Iraq. The Strategic Assessment Center of Hicks and Associates advertises one of its current projects as the “Impact of Foreign Cultures on Military Operations”. SAIC confirmed it completed the confidential studies for the Marine Corps.

Tehran cannot afford to dismiss minority grievances out of hand and seeks to blame the violence on outside forces, says Bill Samii, an Iran analyst with Radio Free Europe. “The regime can crush dissent when it is localised and relatively small,” he commented.”But if sporadic incidents of ethnic unrest occurred across the country simultaneously, or if such troubles coincided with labour troubles and student demonstrations then the regime would have its hands full.” Given these developments, the question of Iran’s minorities has aroused interest across Washington . . .



It's all just a warden's game to the murderous bastards who are orchestrating these Bush wars. Iraq is under siege . . . by the U.S. military. The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, threatened right before the mosque bombing to withhold money which would go to the Iraqi security forces if the new authority there failed to somehow unite all of the disparate factions into a centralized mush of U.S. compliant stooges.

Bush has been using the training of the Iraqi forces as justification for our continued occupation. But they were divided into militias from the start. The Sunni's immediately labeled them death squads Negroponte's got his henchman James Steele training a unit of about 5000 troops called the 'Special Police Commandos'. He did the same thing during El Salvador's civil war.

US Maj Gen Joseph Peterson, who is in charge of training the Iraqi police, told the Chicago Tribune on Feb. 16 that US forces had had found the first evidence of death squads within the interior ministry. If true, the general would be the last to know. The rest of the world knew about the death squads for months, and, so did the Bush regime.

It's no surprise to find the Bush regime - who accommodated their own ascendance to office in the U.S elections with voting machine rigging, voter intimidation, ballot manipulation, denial of access, and resistance to scrutiny - feeling free and obliged to meddle with the different factions in the Middle East until they get the results they want.

So, after the marines and others in the U.S. junta stirred the pot just enough to bring Iraq to a boil, Bush called a representative from each of the major factions and told them to make nice with each other or he'd cut them off of the U.S. dole. He probably shook them down one at a time. Before long they were in a group hug - as if they had been the ones killing and fighting - promising to just get along. "No civil war here, boss."

But, the killings were much deeper than Rumsfeld's media machine and the Iraqi politicians led the world to believe after several days of bloodshed. Instead of the hundreds killed that had been reported, it turned out that over 1300 deaths had occured since the mosque bombing.

Bush orchestrated the entire invasion, occupation, and installation of his junta to arrive at this moment. Like a true gangster, Bush's military henchmen control the mob of antagonized Iraqis with their paid soldiers, their stooges and the fear they spread with their targeted attacks on those who would resist their false, propped-up authority. Chaos is the breeding ground for Bush's imperialism. The most potent threat Bush wields against his puppet Iraqi regime is the prospect of stiring up the locals and standing back as they slaughter, step back in when his stooges cry for help, and ensnare them in his imperious protection racket.

You have a choice Bush tells them:

"Chaos or unity"

Over forty more Iraqis killed today, and Bush is in the catbird's seat. The choice for Iraqis is not freedom, democracy, or any of the other jingoisms Bush uses to justify his barbaristic power grab. The choice today for Iraqis, offered up by their supreme dictator, is between "chaos or unity".

You're either with us or against us.

Your country or your life.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 02:58 PM
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1. K & R. This is important work and well done.
Thanks bigtree.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:31 PM
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3. :+)
:thumbsup:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:17 PM
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2. Chaos leads to leaders like Saddam and Tito
No wonder Shrubya would orchestrate chaos. Same thing with Katrina -- let civil society fall apart and then you can declare martial law. This is the most cynical type of "leadership" I've ever suffered under.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:43 PM
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4. reminder - SAIC is also linked to electronic voting in this country
n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:53 PM
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6. Yes. Here is a recent thread on SAIC with lots of information.
Diebold<--->Lobbyist<---> SAIC--->Found 328 security flaws/26 critical
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x526865
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 03:47 PM
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5. bigtree, can you check your link in this sentence
I wonder who in the administration is looking over these SAIC reports that were generated by Marines in the period before the mosque bombing, muckraking around the Iraqi sects - probing them, manipulating them - documenting their reactions to see what will happen when they begin to stir up the minorities in Iran to revolt against the government there.


I don't think that first imbedded link at "muckraking" is working properly. Or, is there a specific report that I should look for at that site that I am being redirected to, can you point it out?

I would like to read what these SAIC reports that you are referring to. Thanks!

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 04:27 PM
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7. Spot on and thanks for the good work.
I've been saying this for the last week, but other than to point people at Robert Fisk's latest book, I don't have much in the way of good evidence to back up what, at this point, I think is becoming increasingly obvious.

Thank you.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 04:39 PM
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8. Thanks for the research and insight
All the Iraqi deaths are just a happy side-effect, too, I suppose. Maybe it's going to be a war of attrition - not just terrorist fly-paper but sweeping them all up, killing until the population left is completely submissive. Right now they're angry about not having jobs, water, electricity, safety. Soon, they'll be grateful just to be alive.

And yes, these folks are also into our elections, and apparently don't think much more of us.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:36 PM
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9. Anyone who thinks that Mosque bombing wasn't a US military op
has their eyes closed, blindfolded, and their head buried in the sand. Good God, if anyone doesn't see how this coming Civil War in Iraq is exactly what Dr. Rumsfeld ordered, you don't know those whom you admire very well.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 09:58 PM
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10. Bush'll let them kill each other while we manipulate from the sidelines
Edited on Tue Feb-28-06 10:00 PM by bigtree
just what are our troops doing there anyway? They insist the soldiers are staying out of the conflict, but they admit to continuing those anti-insurgent' raids, alone or alongside these same biased militias as they carry out their reprisals against their political enemies.

Why didn't they stop the violence? If they're incapable they should stand down. If they're unwilling they should stand down. But, the truth is, they're involved in everything, steering the Iraqis to untenable alliances and into questionable military actions.


Bush in an interview today: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1671087&page=1

VARGAS: . . . what is the plan if the sectarian violence continues? I mean, do the U.S. troops take a larger role? Do they step in more actively to stop the violence?

BUSH: No. The troops are chasing down terrorists. They're protecting themselves and protecting the people, and — but a major function is to train the Iraqis so they can do the work. I mean the ultimate success in Iraq — and I believe we're going to be successful — is for the Iraqi citizens to continue to demand unity.

Secondly, we're working with the leaders to form this unity government, and we'll see how it goes. We're making pretty good progress though. And I think the bombers really caused the leaders to say, "Wait a minute. We now have got to project civil war or civil strife or sectarian violence."

And the other side of the equation has got to be to train the Iraqis to fight so that the people feel like there is a unified security force that's interested in protecting them from a few people who are trying to sow violence and discord."



Bush is roping them in with the most cynical of appeals, considering he's the main source of the violence and discord. The popular response to Iraq's latest atrocities has been to blame the occupation, not rival sects:

Friday February 24, 2006
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1716754,00.html

It has not been Sunni religious symbols that hundreds of thousands of angry marchers protesting at the bombing of the shrine have targeted, but US flags. The slogan that united them on Wednesday was: "Kalla, kalla Amrica, kalla kalla lill-irhab" - no to America, no to terrorism. The Shia clerics most listened to by young militants swiftly blamed the occupation for the bombing. They included Moqtada al-Sadr; Nasrallah, leader of Hizbullah in Lebanon; Ayatollah Khalisi, leader of the Iraqi National Foundation Congress; and Grand Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's spiritual leader. Along with Grand Ayatollah Sistani, they also declared it a grave "sin" to attack Sunnis - as did all the Sunni clerics about attacks on Shias. Sadr was reported by the BBC as calling for revenge on Sunnis - in fact, he said "no Sunni would do this" and called for revenge on the occupation.

None of the mostly spontaneous protest marches were directed at Sunni mosques. Near the bombed shrine itself, local Sunnis joined the city's minority Shias to denounce the occupation and accuse it of sharing responsibility for the outrage. In Kut, a march led by Sadr's Mahdi army burned US and Israeli flags. In Baghdad's Sadr City, the anti-occupation march was massive.

There was a string of armed attacks on Sunni mosques in the wake of the bombing but none of them was carried out by the protesters. Reports suggest that they were the work of masked gunmen. Since then there has been an escalation of well-organised murders, some sectarian, some targeting mixed groups, such as yesterday's killing of 47 workers near Baquba.

But as live coverage of Wednesday's demonstrations on Iraqi and Arab satellite TV stations clearly showed, the popular mood has been anti-occupation rather than sectarian. Iraq is awash with rumours about the collusion of the occupation forces and their Iraqi clients with sectarian attacks and death squads: the US is widely seen as fostering sectarian division to prevent the emergence of a united national resistance. Evidence of their involvement in Wednesday's anti-Sunni reprisals was picked up in the Times, which reported that after an armed attack on the al-Quds Sunni mosque in Baghdad the gunmen climbed back into six cars and were ushered from the scene by cheering soldiers of the US-controlled Iraqi National Guard.

full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1716754,00.html
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 11:01 PM
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13. bigtree - just for your reference here are some more articles
concerning the "identity" of the Golden Mosque bombers:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060224/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestsamarrabombing_060224161440
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1715873,00.html
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.268169384&par=
http://www.ksbitv.com/home/2350571.html

I made some posts on this topic - and the part I find most curious is that in the quote you provided from Bush is, "The troops are chasing down terrorists. They're protecting themselves and protecting the people, and — but a major function is to train the Iraqis so they can do the work."

The problem is, if you read those articles, it was the Iraqi Police themselves that are suspects in the bombing!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=497628
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=498015
(The Al Jazeera link no longer works, but the guradian.co.uk post above links to the same article.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=510823

Put all this together with your analysis, and the evidence is looking very solid that the US was involved but there has been a cover-up as to the EXACT identities of the bombers. We both know why that is.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:01 PM
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11. I have a hard time believing they are that smart
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 10:15 PM
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12. it's mostly Rumsfeld, Cambone, Negroponte . . .
Edited on Tue Feb-28-06 10:29 PM by bigtree
the policy is being driven by the Pentagon. You notice the way Bush always says the decisions are being made by the commanders on the ground? They get their orders from the OSD. Rumsfeld has his own new intelligence branch, his own special ops force, and the blanket authorization to wage whatever military meddling he can manage, without the congressional oversight that comes from regular appropriations. The money that funds his private army comes from classified appropriations which never get a public hearing.

Here's his private army taking its first public bow:

Marines join special-operations community

The Tampa, Fla.-based U.S. Special Operations Command will control the Marines' special forces.

Associated Press February 25, 2006
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16198559&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68555&rfi=6

CAMP LEJEUNE, N.C. - The Marine Corps formally entered the world of military special operations Friday by establishing a separate command devoted to small-unit tactics and stealthy reconnaissance.

It's work they've done as far back as World War II, but never before as part of the U.S. Special Operations Command. The change means battalions of Marines will be focused on special ops work just as Navy SEALs and Army Green Berets and Rangers are.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made the change official after arriving at Camp Lejeune aboard an Osprey tiltrotor aircraft. He said special ops Marines will help "seek new and innovative ways to take the fight to the enemy."

The Marines plan to establish their first special operations company in May and have the command fully staffed with about 2,500 troops by 2010. The command will recruit corporals, sergeants and officers with reconnaissance experience and language training.

As part of the change, the Marine anti-terrorism brigade headquartered at Lejeune will go out of business and shift some of its troops to the special operations command. The command will have combat battalions on both U.S. coasts, along with support units and schools to teach special operations skills to U.S. and foreign troops.

full report: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16198559&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept_id=68555&rfi=6

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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 10:48 AM
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14. Negroponte was quoted on NPR this morning
saying the current unrest in Iraq is going to disrupt/ignite the entire region. That got my attention and brought me to the same conclusion
as this thread.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:15 AM
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15. "A civil war"
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 11:17 AM by bigtree
"in Iraq could lead to a broader conflict in the Middle East, pitting the region's rival Islamic sects against each other, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte said in an unusually frank assessment Tuesday.

"If chaos were to descend upon Iraq or the forces of democracy were to be defeated in that country ... this would have implications for the rest of the Middle East region and, indeed, the world," Negroponte said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on global threats.

so, we have to stay and fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here . . .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_go_co/intelligence_congress_9

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 02:45 PM
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20. Hmmm.. There mught just BE a god after all
"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made the change official after arriving at Camp Lejeune aboard an Osprey tiltrotor aircraft."

just sayin :eyes:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:13 PM
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23. remember, Bush changed the order of succession
Cambone, the defense intelligence chief is next in line . . .
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:17 AM
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16. US and Brits have been caught dressed as insurgents
The Brits even came and broke their men out of an Iraqi jail after they were taken prisoner for killing Iraqi policemen.

I think the biggest incentive in all this is the 2.6 MILLION barrels of oil they've been pumping since the first few days of the "war". It goes a long way to explaining the price gouging here at home too. The bandits are making out like bandits all the way around. The thievery and corruption we are seeing today are truly of a historic level.

2.6 mil/bbl per day X $63/bbl= $163,800,000 per day virtually since the start of the war. 3 years now? That's a LOT of dough, peeps. What Georgie is giving to his cronies is peanuts compared to Iraq's oil money. It sure isn't being spent on Iraqis.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:25 AM
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18. last year
"Iraqi security officials on Monday variously accused the two Britons they detained of shooting at Iraqi forces or trying to plant explosives. Photographs of the two men in custody showed them in civilian clothes."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091900572.html?nav=rss_world


Reuters (9/19/05) cited police, local officials and other witnesses who confirmed that "the two undercover soldiers were arrested after opening fire on Iraqi police who approached them." Officials said that "the men were wearing traditional Arab headscarves and sitting in an unmarked car."

According to Mohammed al-Abadi, an official in the Basra governorate, “A policeman approached them and then one of these guys fired at him. Then the police managed to capture them.”
Raw Story: (Reuters link severed) http://rawstory.com/news/2005/CAUGHT_RED__0923.html
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negativenihil Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:18 AM
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17. k&r! Very well said n/t
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 02:39 PM
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19. You may be right, but this doesn't show it
Or at least I didn't find the link when I skimmed it. That makes me nervous, because a quick reading would perhaps cause people to think you've shown a link when you haven't.

Post #16 comes much closer, tho would benefit from a link to an article or two.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:06 PM
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21. We bomb and pillage a sovereign nation, depose the army, leader
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 03:07 PM by bigtree
install a ruling authority, rush elections overseen by our invading forces, train and equip another military force, use our troops ( alone, and alongside the ruling authority's forces) before, during, and after the 'elections' to kill, suppress, and stifle those who resist the propped up regime . . .

The report shows the Marines, who have a new commando unit under the command of the OSD, directed by the Pentagon's new intelligence branch, infiltrating the Iraqi minorities, looking to document the same type of sectarian violence that just occured after an unattributed attack on a mosque. There's more than enough room for suspicion, and outright blame of the U.S. forces for bringing this on with their military meddling, deliberately or not. The Iraqis themselves believe this to be true.

We Americans like to think we can apply our own logic and our own prescriptions for Iraq, but the reality is that our occupying forces can only aggravate the mess and fuel resentment and unrest with the heavy-handed role Bush has staged for them. And the chaos serves them in their determination to use Iraq and other conquests as staging grounds for their new imperialism.

Bush is hawking his 'war on terror' at republican fundraisers. His most relevant importance comes from his self-appointed imperium in his manufactured wars. Bush said at a recent campaign stop for a republican that "news out of Iraq that the gleaming dome of the 1,200-year-old Askariya shrine had been reduced to rubble served as a reminder that there is much work to do on the other side of the globe."

Hard work. A fantastic opportunity. Bush wants us to recognize his handiwork in Iraq's chaos. Why do some still deny him his due?
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:25 PM
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25. Uh, no. That's precisely my point. It DOESN'T show that
unless I missed it somewhere. The article you cite talks about Iran:

The intelligence wing of the US marines has launched a probe into Iran’s ethnic minorities at a time of heightened tensions along the border with Iraq and friction between capitals. Iranian activists involved in a classified research project for the marines told the FT the Pentagon was examining....


Again, you may very well be right, and I have my own suspicions, it's just that I don't see where the article you cite talks about it or supports/validates your claim. Did I miss something?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 07:38 PM
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26. They started probing the Iraqis months after they invaded
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 07:40 PM by bigtree
"The first study, on Iraq, was completed in late 2003, more than six months after marines spearheaded the US invasion. About 23,000 marines are still in Iraq. The Iran study was finished late last year."


The plainclothes Brits happened last year and you are ready to accept that.

When did they stop the operation? Was it expanded? What did they do with the results? What policy came out of observing the chaos we caused?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 03:12 PM
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22. Excellent post, bt. Chaos - part of the Bush family bizness for decades
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 04:19 PM
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24. Bush's unity is a protection pact forced on Iraqis by the chaotic state
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 04:21 PM by bigtree
our military invasion and occupation has created. Bush wants to sidestep responsibility for his idiotic plan to remove the controlling authority and replace them with another group of U.S. compliant cronies. He's stretched them out just so far that their very lives are dependent on his protection. To see them bowing and scraping to Bush and the occupying soldiers after his phone call was sickening. It's not hard to get your hostages to perform for the public.

Unity's not such a great thing if it's coerced. Saddam demanded unity behind his regime as he suppressed the very same folks who have just ascended to power, the Kurds and the Shiites. The U.S. kept them sectioned off from Saddam's forces with our bombers.

Bush tried to be clever with his chaos or unity crap, but what this Texas loser really expects is for the Iraqi population to go along with his disaster as if we hadn't invaded and bombed them back into the pre-industrial age, as if the new authority's U.S. backed military was somehow neutral and supreme, and all opposed are insurgent. Bush can posture, but he's the alien in Iraq, he's the infidel.

He and his cohorts will do anything they can to justify their continuing presence there. Look what they're doing in Iran with that $75m to undermine their 'elected' government. There was that bombing that the Brits were blamed by the locals for. Did the Brits do it? Who knows?

But, we do know that they are in league with Bush as he openly encourages the subversion of Iran's sovereign government. We do know that Negroponte cites Iran's oil alliances as undermining U.S. aims as he complains about Iran's military capability that he admits, is for border defense against foreign invasion. Is it business or national security? Neither Iraq or Iran ever threatened the U.S..

But, some still want to see proof of our subversions . . .
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