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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:22 PM
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Abramoff ties to Al Qaeda.
Lets see we have this:

from: http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012480.html

Posted by Paul in LA
September 22, 2005 11:38 PM

On topic:

Shortly after 9/11, Abramoff signed up as a lobbyist for this consortium of banks that operate according to sharia, or Islamic law. According to the National Journal (Aug 31, 2002), the consortium was created after the attacks as President Bush began cracking down on terrorist financing. Abramoff's job was to spread the word about Islamic banking practices and to refute claims that Islamic banks sheltered money used for terrorist networks. And if anyone needed a good PR man, it was the chairman of the General Council for Islamic Banks, a Saudi businessman named Saleh Abdullah Kamel estimated to be worth in the neighborhood of $ 2.6 billion, who was quickly the subject of intense government scrutiny over his possible ties to terrorist activity.

You see, Kamel is also the chairman of Dallah al Baraka Group (DBG), which is suspected of having ties to al Qaeda and other extremist groups, and he was also the co-founder and large shareholder of Al Shamal Bank in Sudan, Osama bin Laden's bank of choice from 1983 onward. He was listed as being one of the seven "main individual sponsors of terrorism" in this report by French researcher Jean-Charles Brisard submitted to the UN Security Council in December 2002. (You might remember that Omar al-Bayoumi, who befriended and provided money to two of the 9/11 hijackers, was once an assistant to the Director of Finance for Dallah Avco, a DBG company that works with the Saudi aviation authority. And the WSJ has reported that the United States believes the Dallah al-Baraka Bank, another DBG company, was also used by al-Qaeda.)

Kamel's name also appeared in the "Golden Chain," a roster seized by Bosnian authorities in Sarajevo in March 2002 listing Saudi donors to bin Laden and his associates; and he was named as a defendant in two Sept. 11th related lawsuits: one filed by the victims' families in 2003 and another filed by Cantor Fitzgerald in September 2004 (Although claims of two plaintiffs from the first suit were dismissed, the same claims from other plaintiffs have yet to be.)

Working hard to make money from crime: it's the New RepubJesucrats

-- now with Terrorism Helper�.

Getting mighty hard to figure where Republican corruption stops and Al Qaeda terror begins.






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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:26 PM
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1. that's Abramoff in the Osama video - he's got a fake beard!
this is getting juicier by the day!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:30 PM
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2. Is Paul in LA = Paul Thompson...
:shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:10 PM
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8. Paul Thompson is in New Zealand, I think....nt
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:41 PM
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3. Now this is getting fun!
We don't really know if "Al Qaeda" is anything more than a list of people the CIA employed in Afghanistan.

But even if "Al Qaeda" is just a list of CIA assets, it wouldn't suprise me one wit if Abramhoff was involved with 'em!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:42 PM
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4. Oh wow
And than Hasert has ties to people in Turkey who are considered terrorist's. :scared: This is scary. And don't forget Atta too.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:48 PM
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5. Remember, too, that Judy Miller may have played a part in
tipping off three Islamic charities to an impending FBI raid shortly after 9/11. I speculated this morning that there may be a connection. Someone in the WH or close to the WH may have tipped Ms. Miller off (rove/norquist/abramoff).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=47800&mesg_id=47800

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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 09:51 PM
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6. any mention of Nordquist/Kamel?
Abramhoff's pal Grover Nordquist has a documented connection to Islamic militants in Detroit.
Do you think Abramhoff being Jewish would get involved with Muslim extremists/terrorists for money?
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 10:03 PM
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7. He'd Get Involved
With anybody that would pay him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:31 PM
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9. Casino Jack's buddy Bathtub Grover affiliated with terror money, too.
Jack likes -- oops, liked -- to work with the AIPAC types.

Grover likes to work with the OPEC types.

They both like cash.



Grover Norquist: Conservative Exposed as Terrorist Sympathizer/Enabler

There's an incredible story brewing in Washington that is too hot for the networks to touch.

Grover Norquist, whom most conservatives know as Executive Director of the College Republicans, boardmember of the NRA, and head of Americans for Tax Reform, has been exposed as helping Muslim groups and individuals who finance and support Islamic terrorism gain access to the Bush White House.

Norquist has also been exposed as the founder of the Islamic Insitute, a group believed to be funded by foreign governments, Wahhab Islam elements in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Muslim groups recently raided by a special Treasury Department task force for funding Al Qaeda and Palestinian terrorists. The Islamic Institute's website lists the following goals:

1. Cultivate and expand Muslim activists and mobilize the community at the state and federal levels on issues affecting the American Muslim community.

2. Provide a platform to promote an Islamic perspective on domestic issues (social and fiscal) to help enhance the Muslim community's input in the decision-making process.

3. Run aggressive campaigns at the state and federal levels on issues affecting the American Muslim community.

CONTINUED...

http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html



Gee. Perhaps these turds have ticked off both the left and right wings. Wouldn't that be something?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:41 PM
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11. Frank Gaffney: Norquist is an 'enabler' of terrorism.
If I see this turdball, I'll make a citizen's arrest:



Islamist 'enabler' threatens 'grave harm to Bush presidency,' (Frank!) Gaffney warns

Headline Story | Sunday, January 8, 2006
The Center for Security Policy



Norquist's group took seed money from an avowed supporter of Hezbollah, the terrorist group that killed 241 US Marines in a 1983 Beirut bombing.

A prominent conservative leader who allegedly has used undeclared foreign money and top political connections to promote terrorist sympathizers is an 'enabler' who threatens 'to do grave harm to the Bush presidency.'

Center for Security Policy President Frank Gaffney issued the warning in a letter to Grover Norquist, founding chairman of the Islamic Institute, after Norquist publicly accused Gaffney of 'racism and bigotry' and banished him from a weekly strategy group. Norquist's actions came in response to Gaffney's criticism of a White House official who allowed pro-terrorist Muslim groups access to the White House complex on January 16.

'People who afford terrorist-supporters or -apologists and their organizations entree into the White House deserve to be both challenged and criticized,' Gaffney wrote in response. Norquist, an anti-tax activist and Washington networker who often purports to speak in the name of President Bush, told Gaffney in a widely distributed letter that the Center for Security Policy leader was guilty of 'racial prejudice, religous bigotry or ethnic hatred' because the criticized official is a Muslim.

In response, Gaffney and American Conservative Union leader David Keene slammed Norquist for 'employing "Stalinist tactics" against those who disagree with Mr. Norquist's role in brokering access to the Bush White House,' the Washington Times reported on February 7.

Norquist has been criticized for promoting what is called the Wahhabi lobby, a Saudi-funded network designed to dominate and radicalize Islam in America, at the expense of other Muslim groups whose stand against terrorism is unequivocal.

CONTINUED...

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=today&headline_id=149

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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:34 PM
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10. Amazing
Abramoff is Jewish & yet he has dealings with terrorists, who are supposed to be the enemy of Jewish people. I don't get it. What is this about? Self hatred? Sad.

Tammy
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:55 PM
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12. Abramoff Scandal Links GOP to Islamic Banks and Tyco Scandals
Appears that DUer leveymg put things into context a ways back.

The wheels are coming off the traitors' bus...



Abramoff Scandal Links GOP to Islamic Banks and Tyco Scandals

by leveymg
Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 09:23:10 AM PDT

The other shoe is about to drop on the Republican leadership, now reeling from the indictment of House Republican Leader Tom DeLay and the imminent indictments coming down from the Plame Grand Jury.

Abramoff's influence-peddling operation out of the Greenberg & Traurig law firm are connected to multiple Washington scandals, the nexus of which is lobbying that either illegally benefited Republicans or which alledgedly cheated that law firm's clients.

What is less well understood is that Ambramoff also served as the registered Washington lobbyist for the Government of Pakistan and is a fixer for Saudi moneymen tied to al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Abramoff is further implicated in the financial looting of giant Tyco International, a case that has ties to the Bush Justice Department.

The Indian casino case -- with its gangland murder in Miami and former Tom DeLay staffers -- has thus far overshadowed other, potentially more damaging investigations surrounding GOP fixer and bagman, Jack Abramoff.

Long a fixture of Washington GOP lobbying, Abramoff is now facing a variety of felony charges related to work he did while in the DC office of Greenberg & Traurig (GT), a Miami-based law firm which represented the Bush-Cheney election committee in the 2000 Florida recount court fight.

CONTINUED w/MEGA LINKAGE:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/3706332.html



Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner, Not-So-Old and In the Way. I'd've been kicking and recommending and kicking the living daylights out of it. As is, this is as important as they come. Thankyouverymuch.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:20 PM
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13. Lobbyist for Pakistan under investigation
By Khalid Hasan

Washington: A congressional lobbyist now facing a federal corruption investigation, led a Congressional delegation to Pakistan in 1997 but failed to tell the group’s sponsor or the lawmakers that he was a registered lobbyist for the Pakistani government.

The New York Times reported on Sunday that according to the sponsor and the two House of Representative members - Michael R McNulty and Howard Coble - who made the trip they felt deceived by the lobbyist Jack Abramoff. The trip to Pakistan and Abramoff’s role in it came to light with the release of documents this week showing that he had also used his personal credit card to pay more than $350,000 in travel expenses for other congressional trips, some of them sponsored by the now defunct National Security Caucus Foundation. The lobbyist also paid for various trips made by House majority leader Tom DeLay and other lawmakers. House ethics rules forbid legislators from accepting such gifts from lobbyists.

Abramoff did not pay for the group’s trip to Pakistan, which was funded by the National Security Caucus Foundation. Papers filed in court by government show that Abramoff’s law firm was registered as Pakistan’s lobbyist until April 1997. The firm said on Saturday that it did its last work on the contract in 1996 and did not consider Pakistan a client by 1997. By not revealing his lobbying work for Pakistan while he served as a tour guide there for the non-profit group, Abramoff deceived the people he had offered to help, the trip’s participants said.

A congressional aide told the newspaper that he worried that Abramoff had organised the trip for the lawmakers as a way to demonstrate to his Pakistani clients “how relevant and important” he was. Greg Hilton of the Foundation, who also made the Pakistan trip, said that Abramoff had assured him repeatedly that Pakistan was not among his lobbying clients and that he would have no conflict of interest in travelling with the lawmakers and joining them in meetings with Pakistani leaders. The two congressmen said they had no idea that Abramoff, who was identified on the Foundation’s invitation as a “senior fellow” of the group, was lobbying on behalf of Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-5-2005_pg1_7
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:49 PM
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17. NSCF is a defunct subsidiary fo American Security Council Foundation!
Wow! Thanks, chat_noir!

National Security Caucus Foundation
From SourceWatch

The National Security Caucus Foundation was a nonprofit organization headed by Gregg Hilton. Hilton told Associated Press that the now-defunct foundation was a project of the American Security Council Foundation, an organization "he ran and now serves as a director". <1> (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/03/politics/main692643.shtml)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Security_Caucus_Foundation

Gee. It's a good bet these orgs front form the MI-complex and those lining up to feed at the $630-toilet seat trough.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:29 PM
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14. So Repubs are defending terror money now...
a startling revelation. Your either with us or with them huh?

This aint even something I can joke about. This is unbelievable
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:30 PM
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15. Well for sure Abramoff had more ties to Al-qaeda than Saddam! n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:31 PM
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16. Well, he's the bag man for everything else. Why not this?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:06 PM
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18. Jackoff got his button during Iran-Contra.
Lots of things I don't like about this guy, but funding illegal wars that killed and tortured women and children is about the lowest I thought America would go -- until the present day.



The Fast Rise and Steep Fall of Jack Abramoff

How a Well-Connected Lobbyist Became the Center of a Far-Reaching Corruption Scandal


By Susan Schmidt and James V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, December 29, 2005; A01

Jack Abramoff liked to slip into dialogue from "The Godfather" as he led his lobbying colleagues in planning their next conquest on Capitol Hill. In a favorite bit, he would mimic an ice-cold Michael Corleone facing down a crooked politician's demand for a cut of Mafia gambling profits: "Senator, you can have my answer now if you like. My offer is this: nothing."

SNIP...

Abramoff and his crew busted the College Republicans' budget with a 1982 national direct-mail fundraising campaign that ended up "a colossal flop," said Bond, then deputy director of the party's national committee. He said he banished the three from GOP headquarters, telling Abramoff: "You can't be trusted."

Shortly thereafter, Abramoff was running Citizens for America, a conservative grass-roots group founded by drugstore magnate Lewis E. Lehrman. Abramoff was in frequent contact with Marine Lt. Col. Oliver L. North, the Reagan White House's Iran-contra mastermind, about grass-roots efforts to lobby Congress for the Nicaraguan contras, according to records in the National Security Archive.

One of Abramoff's most audacious adventures involved Jonas Savimbi, the Angolan rebel leader who had U.S. support but was later found to have ordered the murders of his movement's representative to the United States and that man's relatives. With Savimbi, Abramoff organized a "convention" of anticommunist guerrillas from Laos, Nicaragua and Afghanistan in a remote part of Angola. Afterward, Lehrman fired Abramoff amid a dispute about the handling of the group's $3 million budget.

Abramoff also worked on behalf of the apartheid South African government, which secretly paid $1.5 million a year to the International Freedom Foundation, a nonprofit group that Abramoff operated out of a townhouse in the 1980s, according to sworn testimony to the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

CONTINUED...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/28/AR2005122801588_pf.html



Here's why Iran-Contra was a crime against humanity:



Why I Didn't Salute...

When Ollie North Came to Hot Springs


By JOHN BOMAR

"They took out their knives and stuck them under his fingernails. After they took his fingernails off, then they broke his elbows. Afterwards they gouged out his eyes. Then they took their bayonets and made all sorts of slices in his skin all around his chest, arms, and legs. They then took his hair off and the skin of his scalp. When they saw there was nothing left to do with him, they threw gasoline on him and burned him. The next day they started the same thing with a 13 year old girl. They did more or less the same, but they did other things to her too. First, she was utilized, raped by all the officers. They stripped her and threw her in a small room, they went in one by one. Afterwards they took her out tied and blindfolded. Then they began the same mutilating, pulling her fingernails out and cutting off her fingers, breaking her arms, gouging out her eyes and all they did to the other fellow. They cut her legs and stuck an iron rod into her womb."

"Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken and their testicles cut off and their eyes poked out. They were then killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit."


These are but two of the hundreds of documented eyewitness accounts of the kind of brutal and sadistic rapes, sodomies, kidnappings, tortures and murders committed by the Contra forces in Nicaragua in the 1980's -- Contras that were clothed, fed and armed by the illegal efforts of Oliver North.

I guess it is no wonder that his recent visit to Hot Springs gave me waking nightmares. It was as if the spirits of those brutalized, tortured and murdered by the Contra "freedom fighters" were calling out to me. Perhaps it was my working knowledge of Spanish and my thirty years of travel to Latin America that brought these souls to my door. The images haunted and shamed me. The most horrible aspect of these tales is that the atrocities were commonly committed on the most vulnerable; young boys and girls, their pregnant mothers and their grandparents. Many times the families were forced to watch as these abominations were carried out. Terror, you see, is most effective and intimidating when viewed publicly. In all, over 30,000 civilians were killed in Nicaragua by the Contras, mostly peasants, rural doctors and health care workers, teachers, clergy, and civil administrators trying to afford social services to the poorest in the land. This is our government's most recent legacy in Central America.

The Sandanistas had been freely and fairly elected among seven active political parties, with 75% voter turn out. It was declared a just election by all international observers and monitors. After leading the rebellion to oust one of Latin America's most infamously brutal and greedy military dictators Anastacio Samoza, the new government chose a more socialized model that quickly garnered international acclaim for its efforts at providing health care, food, education, literacy and land reform for its population. It also brought on the wrath of the U.S. government and the CIA who financed the ex-national guardsmen: Samoza's former henchmen, who formed the core of the Contra forces. Eventually, the U.S. congress was so repulsed by the stories of horror and butchery coming out of the villages in northern Nicaragua, and lobbied strongly by ecumenical church organizations representing millions of church goers, they forbade any further financing of the effort or any further U.S. involvement. A congressional intelligence committee at the time confirmed that the Contras "raped, tortured and killed unarmed civilians, including children" and that "groups of civilians, including pregnant women and children were burned, dismembered, blinded and beheaded."

With the elimination of U.S. funds the Contra forces waned and were forced back into their sanctuaries across Nicaragua's borders. That was when Mr. North secretly went to work in the basement of the White House. His unlawful scheme eventually involved tens of millions of dollars, secretly selling arms to the Islamic fundamentalists in Iran. This sad story also includes sworn testimony by those involved of cocaine filled airplanes returning to the U.S. after dropping off supplies, explosives and arms to the Contras. Some have attributed this "coca pipeline" to the crack epidemic that swept through many American cities in the mid 1980's. By his own hand written accounts at the time, preserved in the last days of the Reagan administration, Mr. North acknowledged being repeatedly informed of contra ties to drug trafficking. Luis Posada, deeply implicated in the terrorist bombing of a Cubana DC 8 airliner filled with teenagers in 1976, and a confessed hotel lobby bomber, was a leading local coordinator of the effort. Many lurid tales have come to light in the ensuing years of our CIA,s dealings with the dirtiest of the dirty in Latin America during this era.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/bomar12162005.html



These people aren't just traitors. They are evil.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:14 AM
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20. Interesting tidbit from that WP article
Bhutto's Washington lobbyists were at the Pakistani Embassy savoring her successful meeting with President Bill Clinton when a man in a suit made a mysterious entrance.

"Suddenly, this portly guy steps in and sits down. He says nothing," recalled one of the lobbyists. The Americans asked him to introduce himself. He folded his arms and refused.

"Finally, he says, 'I am Jack Abramoff,' " recalled the lobbyist, a well-connected Democrat. They had never heard of him. Abramoff explained that he was "close to Newt."



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:48 PM
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19. Don't forget Safavian arrested at Monkey House...
A circle jerk of fiends...



Good-bye David Safavian

9/23/2005 7:11 pm

Safavian is the first casualty in a probe that could very well lead to the arrest of other government officials. Abramoff's activities, and his links to Republican leaders including Karl Rove and Congressmen Tom DeLay, Bob Ney, Tom Feeney and Dana Rohrabacher, are worthy of their own discussion. Abramoff himself was indicted last month on charges of wire fraud and conspiracy in an unrelated case. As interesting as the corruption discussion would be, there is a more important issue. Safavian and some of his cohorts have links to terrorist organizations.

Safavian is an Iranian American from Detroit. In his position, he was in charge of federal procurement policy, controlling about $300 billion in government contracts. In addition, his office managed approximately 1600 government owned buildings. Before working for the federal government, he was managing partner for a lobbying firm, Janus-Merritt, that he started with conservative activist Grover Norquist. In this position, he represented Dr. Jamal al-Barzinji, who is currently under investigation for allegedly providing material support for terrorists and is closely associated with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Barzinji is head of a group of Muslim charities including the Safa Group, which prosecutors have directly linked to al Qaeda.

Federal agent David Kane also reports that Barzinji is directly connected to accused terrorist Sami al-Arian, who was found with an Islamic charter detailing a plan to infiltrate the U.S. government with Islamist spies. Safavian failed to disclose his relationship with Barzinji in the biographical information he provided to the Senate for his confirmation hearings.

Before founding Janus-Merritt with Norquist, Safavian worked with Abramoff at another lobbying firm. After 9/11, Abramoff lobbied Congress on behalf of the General Council for Islamic Banks, led by Saudi billionaire Saleh Abdullah Kamel, co-founder of the bank of choice for Osama bin Laden. Kamel is also named as one of the seven main sponsors of terrorism in a report provided to the United Nations Security Council in 2002.

CONTINUED...

http://www.madison.com/post/blogs/dailybriefing/index.php?ntid=55272&ntpid=2



Money. Murder. Terror. Power. Thy name is Bush.
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