Studies: Women Genetically Programmed to Cheat

[FVZA_Colonel]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=1469078

Jan. 4, 2006 —


Two new studies find that women may be genetically predisposed to cheating on their partners.

One study published today by the University of California, Los Angeles Center on Behavior, Culture, and Evolution and the University of New Mexico says women have evolved to cheat on their mates during the most fertile part of their cycle, but only when those mates are less sexually attractive than other men.

The study in the Journal of Hormones and Behavior examined 38 coeds from one large, unidentified U.S. university.

"We found that women were most attracted to men other than their primary partner when they were in the high fertility phase of the menstrual cycle," said Dr. Martie Haselton, a UCLA researcher. "That's the day of ovulation and several days beforehand."

[Lone_Star_Dem]

1. Ouch! That's got to hurt a fellows ego

but only when those mates are less sexually attractive than other men.

[REP]

8. I Guess That Explains Why Cheating Is The Last Thing I'd Do

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Fucking Patriarchal Assholes

Still trying to paint women as the whores who are the real reason all of life is devalued.



Meanwhile, men are always in rut mode...but that's not the "problem"...

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Than they don't know this female

[StoryTeller]

9. Exactly!

I get enough of this sort of patriarchial crap from the conservative Christian community I live in. It's extra irritating to see secular researchers promoting it, too.

I will now use a word I have rarely used before: BULLSHIT!

Genetically programmed to cheat? Could they possibly be more demeaning and misogynistic? Why not just call us all cats in heat?

Sheesh, this put me in a bad mood. I get so tired of this nonsense.

[InaneAnanity]

91. Hey, men are too

Don't get all angry. Men are programmed to cheat too. We arent genetically predisposed to monogamy. Just the way it is.

[patcox2]

43. Whew, we're tetchy.

Its long been known that men are genetically preidisposed to cheat, maximizing offspring and all that. For christs sake, now a study finds the there is less difference between women and men than previously beleived, you'd think this is a good thing, more equality and all that?

Here's a good one, see how you can twist this one into an example of patriarchal bastard sexism: men are genetically programmed to have the best sexual experience when they have sex in a situation where they know or suspect that their partner has been "cheating."

Many anthropologists beleive that the "natural" sexual behavior of humans, going way back, may have resembled that of chimps, which basically all screw each other, orgies and gangbangs whenever a female was fertile.

In that milieu, genetics favored the male who produced the most copious amount of sperm, if you are going to be 3rd or 5th or whatever, you had to produce a lot to increase the chance one of yours fertilizes the egg.

This is still observable in modern humans, its why "makeup" sex is so good. When a male suspects his partner may have been cheating, the body responds by producing a larger ejaculation, which requires a longer, more intense orgasm.

Fun stuff, human sexuality.

[Whoa_Nelly]

55. Tetchy?

You are ignoring the obvious patriarchal presentation of this study publication.

Where are the published studies of men being genetically predisposed and "programmed" to cheating? To focus and publish a study on women is biased and indicative of a patriarchal society that presents the subliminal and narrow viewpoint that men are superior. That is what pisses me off.

Women in our society, as in all patriarchal societies, especially those which have a large Judeo-Christian patriarchal culture base, continue to be degraded, debased and presented as not being clean, not being trustworthy, and sure as hell not able to control their bodies. Ergo, Roe v. Wade had better be overturned because women are stupid and are more genetically predisposed to make babies and seek abortions.

The publication of a study that denounces women by labeling their genetic encoding as "programmed" with no side-by-side comparative study and publication of findings regarding men and a predisposition to cheating on partners is another smackdown slap in the face piece of bullshit continuing the myth that women are worthy of being treated and viewed as brainless idiots who must have laws written to protect the entire Judeo-Christian patriarchal society.

Yeah...the publication of the study findings and the fact that it made MSM does piss me off.

Tetchy? Yeah. Until you are a woman living under the societal and cultural conditions of a patriarchal society, you will have no concept of the bias and intrusion visited on women and their bodies.

Men are in charge.
Women are merely programmed.
It's considered news.
Yeah. It pisses me off.

[patcox2]

65. There are dozens of studies about male predisposition to cheat.

So now there's one about women. And the authors of both of the studies mentioned in this story are also women. Must have been forced to do these studies by patriarchal males, huh? They must not be enlightened, must have bought into the underlying patriarchal control, yeah thats it. Okay.

Tetchy is a light way of saying "have an enormous chip on your shoulder and are really annoying."

[Whoa_Nelly]

68. Being a woman in this culture

Has me with an enormous chip on my shoulder, and glad to be annoying.

[InaneAnanity]

92. You guys have the advantage now

trust me

[alarimer]

76. I personally do not believe in biological determinism

We are not just the product of our genes but also (and perhaps arrguably to a greater degree) a product of our environment. It is NEVER okay to cheat, genes or no genes, men or women. Anyone using gentics as a excuse is copping out of their own misbehavior. And misbehavior it most certainly is.

[KittyWampus]

45. Usually Patriarchal Societies Are More Monogamous Then Matriarchal

societies.

Just a factoid I remembered from Anthropology days. :)

I know it's not related totally to your point.

[slackmaster]

70. Both researchers interviewed, including one co-author, are women

Are you experiencing a knee-jerk reaction?

I didn't get a sense that any value judgement or discussion of a "problem" was being conveyed by the article.

[Nikki Stone 1]

4. How do the stats compare to the clear genetic promiscuity of MEN?

My guess is that it's small by comparison.

[w13rd0]

29. The thing about this study though...

...is that womens cheating is tied to their biological cycle. With men, cheating is tied to availability and chance of getting caught, or at least it certainly seems to be. A man will cheat if it's available and he can get away with it. Comparitive appeal of the partner to the potential partner, a biological cycle, these things don't really matter to the "always in heat" male of the species.

[HereSince1628]

39. Yes the tying of behavior to a biological cycle is interesting

Such a linkage would be expected for a selected trait.

We also know that when the estrogen cycle peaks so does female alertness and cognitive function (c.f. at least as implied by scores on math tests). Pomeroy suggested that this alertness was useful as a protection against rape.

But, maybe it is simply a consequence of being able to make very timely good choices in mates.

Cheating, as opposed to rape, is an interesting strategy. It is common in both sexes. The activity may allow exploration of sex with potentially "better" partners, while valuing the existing pair-bond.

There is no reason to believe that a partner that displays superior attractiveness is necessary going to be good at sharing in the routine responsibilities of family. Cheating may be an optimization strategy for solutions to two different problems.

Psychologists also have shown that women percieve a man caring for a baby as more attractive than the same man without the baby.

[InaneAnanity]

94. This study has been done before

Women want to have long term relationships with men who will care for their children, and for them. Nice guys.

But when they are "in heat", they are more attracted to bad boy dudes who ooze sexual attraction.

Just the way it is. Don't get angry about it.

[Just Me]

5. ROTFLMAO!!!!!

RIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHTTTT!
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[Cleita]

6. Just women?

I think both sexes are quite capable of fooling around, however, since women can show the result with pregnancy, I'd say we would be less inclined, even if we didn't give a shit about whom we were hurting, and whose lives we would be changing.

[Just Me]

16. YUP!!! LOTS MORE AT STAKE WITH OUR, OUR, OUR BODIES.

:rofl:

Our only mistake,....is "imagining" that our partner would be responsible or caring enough to consume or adopt the responsibilities.

Let's make a LAW that requires EVERY MAN who fucks a woman take FULL AND COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT!!!!

Yeah.

Youse guys can be STRONG enough to abstain!!!! Yes? And, abstinence SHOULD BE ON THE SHOULDERS OF MEN since they don't suffer the consequences of their 'projections".

YES?

[mongo]

54. Men should take full and complete responsibility?

What because women are all soft like flowers and can't handle it?

Wow.

[radwriter0555]

33. Humans are genetically programmed to propegate the species with multiple

partners, always have been, always will be.

Back in cave man days, humans weren't forced by mores to pair up with a single partner. Different males were needed in procreation to expand the diversity of the species to avoid inbreeding and subsequent defects and failures.

The 7 year itch is a very real instinct. It's designed to boot the 7 year old child from the nest leaving room for a new child from a new mate, without competition for food and resources. You will find similiar patterns through-out the biological world. There could be a lengthy discourse about murders on mixed family members that is relevent as well.

Considering men still need to stage mock battles (sports) and go "hunting" for wild game, etc., humans aren't that distant from their cave man relatives.

Monogamy is an artificial institution imposed on the human species. It works on occasions for some humans, but rarely is the reality.

[KittyWampus]

44. Humans aren't machines

"Mens still need to stage mock battles?"

Um, only if they're unevolved, unenlightened males.

You do realize that your view of humanity goes no further than those acting from their Reptilian Impulses? Your post is only valid if you're referring to humans who are controlled totally by their Medulla Oblongata.

We are not Cave Men. We have Higher Brain Functions and are capable of sublimating our sexuality and Creative Impulse.

Humans aren't machines thus the Materialist, Reductionist models used for exploring Human Behavior always end up being little more than rationalizations.

Sheesh!

[radwriter0555]

48. Is that right? Then explain why most of the men in the civlized world are

indeed sports fans of some sort or another...

Then, if they aren't busy subliminating their sexuality, explain why they're still thinking of sex every 8 seconds? Pretty much every external action a man takes on a daily basis is driven in some way by a sexual impulse.

There is a real, valid reason why pretty much every ad in the cigarette, liquor, sports and car industries is about sex, either subliminally or blatantly. It has been examined at great, great length and employed to make brazillions for these industries.

I stand by my statement. Humans aren't that evolved, and it's nothing take offense at, but it sure is fascinating.

[KittyWampus]

57. Because They Simply Haven't Bothered To Train Themselves NOT

"to think of sex every 8 seconds".

Why do children want to eat the whole freaking candy store when left to their own devices?

Why do addicts keep taking the poision?

Our society uses sexual stimulation as a way to pander to our basest and most reptilitan instincts.

But just because that attitude and primitive mindset is so prevalent doesn't make it "All There Is or All It's Possible To Manifest".

You are accepting something that is just one POTENTIALITY as definite, SINGULAR invariable fact.

Why did humans develop Higher Brain functions if they weren't meant to use them?

[NickB79]

61. LOL, yeah, that's it, men just haven't trained themselves properly

:rofl:

Ya know, I've actually tried to do exactly that, and it failed miserably. In college I had a revelation: our lives are based far too much around sex and sexuality. It felt liberating at first to think that I could overcome my base desires and rise above the rutting college students around me. But no matter how hard I tried, the sight of an attractive woman always triggered that thought process I was trying to control before I was even aware it was happening. How do you train that away when it happens automatically, without thought?

[mongo]

62. Wow

Sex is bad M'kay?

But nice way to show smug superiority over you fellow humans.

Fundimentalism on the left is no better than it is on the right.

[KittyWampus]

87. Sex is bad? I haven't got a moralistic bone in my body. I make the

case that allowing ones animalistic instincts to dictate ones behavior is inefficient and not condusive to manifesting ones full potential... but that
has nothing to do with 'sex being bad'.

[mongo]

88. Your case is just more morals wrapped up in psuedo-science

allowing ones animalistic instincts to dictate ones behavior is inefficient and not condusive to manifesting ones full potential.

"ones full potential"? Can't you see just a little value judgement there?

Because They Simply Haven't Bothered To Train Themselves NOT "to think of sex every 8 seconds".

Because it is BAD to think of sex every 8 seconds?

Our society uses sexual stimulation as a way to pander to our basest and most reptilitan instincts.

Sex is one of our most basest instincts. Is that bad? Do you hold some secret, more "evolved" key to having some new kind of sex that is better than other people have?

But just because that attitude and primitive mindset is so prevalent doesn't make it "All There Is or All It's Possible To Manifest".

You are accepting something that is just one POTENTIALITY as definite, SINGULAR invariable fact.

Why did humans develop Higher Brain functions if they weren't meant to use them?

There is plenty of moralizing and value judging above too. Leftist fundimentalism -- My thinking about the issue is more "evolved".

I'm really not trying to rag on you too hard here, I'm just saying that your posts did come across as moralistic in my book.

[Silverhair]

93. Here is why humans developed higher brain functions.

It was an evolutionary survival tactic. The higher brain functions help those with said higher functions to have more children survive to the children became reproductive. In other words, the higher functions helped the people with them to become grandparents.

We didn't form a social committe and by vote decided to evolve a "better" brain. Evolutions selected for it by diferential survival rates.

It appears that you are offended by evolution. So are many RW's. I am not calling you an RW, but I am being amused at the way some on the left scream as much about it as some on the right.

[Ramognino]

78. Yes

I, for one man out there in the civilized world, am not sports fan of one sort or another.

However, give Humans some credit, what other animals has created the millions and millions of things which Humans have? What other animals do you see making such an incredible pace of inventions building on other inventions and on and on until you get a machine that can carry life outside of the very planet's atmosphere which they were born? And back again?

You have here a creature that can use violence as the Nazis did or nonviolence as Ghandi did. You have a creature here whose social structure is in constant evolution globally itself (even if not as fast as some would like, it is happening).

On the other side of the edge, what other creature threatens to destroy its very own planet's ability to support life?

Yes, Humans are not Gods. But, you must admit, Humans are certainly more evolved in certain capacities.

[Silverhair]

90. Cave Humans didn't have higher brain functions? LOL !!!

You make me think of that GIECO caveman ad. Have you seen pictures of some of the recently discoved cave art? It even has shading on the animals to give it a 3-D look, and the animals look realistic. They even used the shape of the sides of the cave and incorporated those shapes into the animals. Now tell me that cave men only had reptilian brains. BTW - those older parts of our brains are NOT DEAD. They are active parts of us and are still running programs.

I can understand why it would offend many people's ideology, just as evolution itself offends much of the RW's, but that doesn't change it.

[lukasahero]

46. Must be something wrong with my genetic makeup

How does your theory relate to those of us who have no desire to procreate?

[radwriter0555]

52. I think possibly that your type is more evolved.. but I am only guessing.

Perhaps your DNA strands are older than others? Can you imagine? Wouldn't that be WILD if that's how it all worked?

Chew on this.... what if vegetarians, liberals, ethical people, gays, lesbians, etc., were all slightly more evolved than other humans? What if child molestors, crooks, etc were less evolved than other members of the species?

Just a knosh for the brain, no science to back up the conjecture.

[Silverhair]

97. Evolution doesn't work that way.

Before speculating, it would be helpful to know something of the science. In fact, there is no such thing as "more" evolved in the sense of something having a higher state of evolution. Evolution does not have a direction. It simply seeks survival, nothing more.

[radwriter0555]

107. Evolution has a way of ridding the life form of that which it does not

need such as the appendix, the wisdom teeth, the need to kick kids out of the nest by age 7.

Evolution is a process of change and growth and adopting and adapting new patterns, behaviors, physical attributes and so on, and in the course of this change and growth some patterns, behaviors, physical attributes and so on are eliminated as well.

[Silverhair]

111. It is still mindless and amoral. NT

[radwriter0555]

112. It's not possible to attribute subjective judgements to biological

processes -- not in a scientific world.

Your statement sums up the entire spectrum of your position and it's now very evident from what point of view you speak.

[Silverhair]

115. Huh ???

I said: "It is still mindless and amoral."

You said: It's not possible to attribute subjective judgements to biological processes -- not in a scientific world. I completely agree with that statement.

So how does my statement sum up my position and POV? I regret that I don't understand what you are trying to say in your post.

[Silverhair]

95. Evolution considers you already dead - almost.

Your genes do not get directly into the next generation. So that urge not to procreate doesn't get passed on. The closest you can come is taking care of you neices and nephews, or perhaps cousins to help them survive, since they share more of your genetic code.

[SoCalDem]

7. Mother Nature always looking for diversity..gotta continue the line with

the strongest and fittest..:)

[pbartch]

10. What a bunch of crap.

[MsKandice01]

11. I may be in the minority here...

But I actually don't find this study all that far-fetched.

[FVZA_Colonel]

14. Perhaps so, perhaps not.

But wouldn't the rate of acting on these genetic urges ultimately be more sociologically significant?

[SoCalDem]

20. "Sociology" was concieved by humans.. Biology just IS what it is.

All organisms are competing for space on the planet. The ones that produce the "best" lines, survive the longest and "eat or beat" the others..

It makes perfect sense to me, that females would be more inclined to "wander" at the mopst fertile time in their cycle..Modern humans have introduced morality into their lives, but biology sometimes trumps morality..

And no one says a woman has to act on the urges:)

[FVZA_Colonel]

22. "And no one says a woman has to act on the urges"

That is exactly the point I wish I had made when discussing this on a different website. Even if women are more likely to fantasize about other mates than men, it doesn't mean they have to act on those urges.

[SidDithers]

85. Glad to see someone gets it...

Biology and socialization compete within us, and make us who we are.

:toast:

Sid

[havocmom]

24. Makes sense to me also. From an evolutionery standpoint, it is good plan

Assures more offspring.

Of course, the gentlemen are also programed for the same purpose. And since they don't get put out of commission for 9 months for any successful breedings, they are gonna be busier than the ladies.

[TahitiNut]

34. Well, it sure wouldn't work (survive) if there wasn't a balance ...

... or some approximation thereof. Natural selection would insist that the widest variety of gene-pairings be the rule. When 'mixed' race couplings have been HUGE taboos, children were born. When women were property and chastity belts were in vogue, children were born. A little bit of dabbling with arithmetic should make it pretty clear that "all those promiscuous males" weren't all going after a small pool of females - many of whom were pregnant. We all buy into our (socialized) "gender identities" to some degree or another. Societies have, for millennia, condemned the 'promiscuous woman' and shrugged shoulders at the 'promiscuous man.' All that's done is make the statistical data-gathering biased - women are far less likely to admit it, even to their friends.

It's my personal experience that the ratio is 2-to-0. Both my wives had affairs. I didn't. It leaves me with very little patience for the "all men do it" bullshit.

[havocmom]

36. 'scuse me? Where did I put anything about 'all the men'?

I'm on the side of both sexes are hard wired toward a certain amount of partner mixing. Not judging it, just saying from evolutionary standpoint, it offers best chance of species survival. Nothing to do with cultural or societal mores, just the basic animal drives.

And since we are comparing (or just venting) personal grudges, I was faithful, husband #1 not so much... So, does that make us even? :evilgrin:

Seriously, I hope your snit about "all men do it bullshit" was actually directed at some of the other posts above mine, cuz you are barking up the WRONG tree if your beef is with me.
I said no such thing.

I pointed out it was easier for males to have more opportunities to propagate. Simple math... a gent can knock up several females at a time. Hey, I live in ranch country and there are lots of cows to any given bull. It's the way life works when you are looking at primal behavior and not considering inhibitions from our cultural conditioning. Just a fact, a cow can only have an offspring or two every few months. The bull is not under that sort of physical constraint.

[TahitiNut]

38. In no way did I intend to imply I was quoting you or characterizing your.

... opinion. I replied in agreement with your post. I thought I was being clear that I felt such behavior was balance between the sexes and neither deserves mythical elevation. I was merely characterizing the all-too-common 'wisdom' that most husbands are rats and most wives are innocent and faithful.

The point you make and I attempted to make is clear -- a herd of one cow and many bulls would die off. It's both common sense and personal experience that there's got to be a fairly large and available number of cows for there to be any number of 'successfully unfaithful' bulls.

[havocmom]

49. Thanks for clarity. Just didn't get that impression from initial reply

Was genuinely concerned that I needed to come over and check on you, maybe make us some tea and give you a pair of ears to talk to. ;) I was pretty annoyed about the flavor of many replies, which seemed to miss the point that this was not about our personal experiences in our little world, but in the bigger, and more natural world as the human as animal with thousands of generations of genetic programming for survival. The OP was not something to take personally, but to chew on from a more basic and universal view.

Funny thing about bulls... often, while a couple of big, dominate, prime specimens are mixing it up to prove who is the biggest stud muffin in the pasture, a smaller, quieter bull will make off with the goal. Seems even bulls will lose sight of the big picture while off chasing their personal experience. They end up losing points in the game of getting their genes spread out. Or, maybe it is nature's way to ensure some of the more cerebral bulls get to pass on their genes in a hope it will keep the species from extinction via self-annihilation. There is a lesson there for people too. Girls, that flashy bad boy is all too often a lot of bull! ;) Go for the chap who uses his head.

And the theory applies to the other gender too. Not all flashy, pretty cows make good partners. Some of them end up outta the gene pool and appear later under plastic wrap :D

On a more personal level, TahitiNut, you are actually pretty important to me around here. With so few rational people in the world, you are a precious commodity, my friend. Precious indeed.

[TahitiNut]

51. The regard is certainly mutual, havocmom.

There are some very important and precious people here on DU, including yourself, with whom I'm as certain as a human can be I'd revel in the kind of times I've had in my life that stand out - often remembered in my mind's eye as sitting on the floor in a small diverse group around a coffee table talking into the wee hours of the morning after the dinner party is over and lightweights have left and kids are in bed, delving into the subjects where only courageous candor and compassionate insight permit fruitful discussions. Magic times. Magic people. Maybe some day again. (sigh)
:hug:


In marital relationships, it's not so mcuh about falling down ... it's about whether they have the courage and commitment to their mutual love and respect to hold that above transient indiscretions. Sadly, it takes at least some effort from both.

[havocmom]

53. Sitting on the floor, lost in good. productive conversation sounds good.

Can do it for hours with the right group. Of course, at my age, getting OFF the floor is the hard part! But I get by with a little help from my friends.

Anything of value is worth the effort, and efforts must be made by all involved. That is a point I get from your posts and why I value them. You see the need to address the greater good.

Back atcha :hug:

[Raksha]

86. I don't find it all that far-fetched either.

But I'm not gonna say why...ever.

[Silverhair]

98. Not new. Other studies had already shown the same thing. NT

[FVZA_Colonel]

12. "A 2004 ABC News poll found that men were almost twice as likely to cheat

as women, with 21 percent of men admitting to cheating compared to 11 percent of women."



I doubt that this could be considered a scientific poll, but it does beg the question: are women more less to act on their urges than men, or is it the other way around?



On a side note- it appears that a defense of the idea of women as "cheating whores" is that "these are only the women who admit it, there's no way men could be higher when it comes to actuall acts of cheating."

[RagingInMiami]

15. Men tend to brag

And women tend to underestimate.

[pitohui]

69. women are less likely to admit to cheating

c'mon of course you'd expect men to self-report more screwing around than women, a woman has something to lose if she's caught, a man will still have the same job and the same life even if he does get caught, in divorce a man's income goes up, a woman's goes down

[Richard Steele]

13. Study was obviously comissioned by the 'Popcorn Smiley' industry....

:popcorn:

[tnlefty]

18. ROFLMAO!!!

and I don't think that I'm gonna stick around to ingest all of that popcorn!

[arewenotdemo]

73. lol

[Nikki Stone 1]

17. Maybe this topic should be in the Lounge as well

It's hardly politically constructive.

:)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

19. It didnt say they cheated, it said they had fantasies.

Wow.

[Missy Vixen]

26. Nothing wrong with fantasies n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

32. And we women fantasize all the time right?

Especially for strong and intelligent prosecutors! :loveya:

[Missy Vixen]

35. Dead pizza boxes, socks in the desk drawer,

kicking the collective asses of the bad guys...Ahhhhh.

Law school education: $100,000 (?)
Late-night pizza delivery: $20
Saving the country, one indictment at a time: Priceless.

:loveya:
Julie
president for life of the PFEB

[niyad]

21. first of all, WHO commissioned the studies? and the second one used

THIRTY EIGHT coeds? since when is this a statistically reliable sample of anything?

what a load of codswallop.

[William Bloode]

23. If this were true,

Then why do almost all surveys and studies show that it's the men who cheat most often(though recent reports indicate the percentage of women cheating is rising)?

[InaneAnanity]

96. Because men DO cheat the most often

But women also have the urge to cheat, its just tied to their monthly cycle whereas in men, its tied to opportunity.

[Missy Vixen]

25. Okay, here's my nonscientific study

I have a crush. I have discussed my crush with many other married women (for the sake of their privacy, I'm not naming names, and I estimate I've talked to 40+ women.) EVERY other married woman I talked to eventually 'fessed up to her own crush. These women range in age from 20's to 65 and up. Had anyone acted on it? No. Had they ever discussed it with anyone else? Surprisingly, not many. Who were the objects of their affection? Most were movie stars, athletes or someone prominent, but many were guys they worked with or knew, who probably had no idea they were admired from afar.

I realize that there are women who cheat. I also believe that the vast majority don't. It's too costly.

Julie

[InkAddict]

27. Just trying to keep this marriage together!

:kick:

[InkAddict]

28. Again!

[Catherine Vincent]

30. What?

Women aren't the ones who are aptly nicknamed as dogs.

[SW FL Dem]

31. Not this woman

I've been with hubby for 22 years now and have never even considered cheating on him.

[leftofthedial]

37. wow! repukes are genetically programmed to lie, cheat, steal

and commit treason

why would anyone ever mate with a repuke female?

[benburch]

40. Hence swinging.

But I know we are not allowed to discuss that here.

[patcox2]

47. There's a genetic-reproductive explanation for swinging.

First, our natural sexual behavior may have been similar to chimpanzees, which definitely swing, group sex and gangbangs when the females are fertile.

In those situations, the greatest chance of reproducing is with the males who produce the most sperm. When the female has multiple partners, sheer volume of ejaculate is a reproductive advantage.

Males are genetically programmed to produce larger ejaculations when their partner has also been having sex with other males.

This is still observable in modern humans, who produce larger ejaulations when they think their partner has been cheating.

Producing a larger amount of ejaculate requires a longer and more intense orgasm. Whis is why, according to what I have read, swinging couples usually end an evening by having the most amazing sex with each other.

[benburch]

103. I can confirm that what you read is true. nt

[Name removed]

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[LeftHander]

41. Timing important when planning that threesome....

lol

[Loonman]

42. This should keep you guys busy for awhile

I'm waiting for the "Men are the reason for all the terrible things in the world" argument. A fave of mine.



:popcorn:

I must admit, though, this sounds like sound logical reasoning backed up by statistical analysis.

[splat@14]

56. Like "time is nature's way of keeping everything for happening at once"

And "people are the root of all evil"

[Scout]

50. attraction does not equal cheating

what do they think we are, men? (just kidding)

we don't have to run out and fuck someone just because we're attracted to them.... men don't either.

Besides, 38 college women from one university is not much of a random sample.

[InaneAnanity]

99. The study has been done before though

and the results make perfect sense. That's what apes and other animals do as well. They find a male to take care of the children, but generally have the kids with a different male.

And no, you don't have to give in to the urges, and generally you probably don't. Same with men, although we have more touble with that.

[Cults4Bush]

58. Oh! Women get more horny around their periods, geeze no shit.

Men cheat women cheat because sex is fun, sex may be bad with their designated only one person forever mate, and it feels good to be wanted sexually by a good looking/willing counterpart. Add select situations of getting caught, doing things that your partner would never do with you and yadda yadda yadda.

Some cheat, some dont and some lie about it. Cheating is highly individualized in both reason and context enough so that the information here seems to be woefully under detailed. We're these ex-s they sexxed up, under influence, mentally stable???

Studies like this seem to be good for only the most vague and broad brush of statements, the mor eyou delineate the less pertinent teh study becomes.

Many women get horny at the beggining of their cycles, many men are especially horny after spending time in a testosterone laden environment (barring exhaustion). Same as it ever was, when a person is hornier than usual and if circumstances permit they might cheat on a partner.

Thats the goddess honest truth and to take anything more than that away from this study would leave me feeling a bit gullible.

[mongo]

60. Well said.

[newportdadde]

59. Saw a study that women are attracted to more masculine men during ovulation

It was pretty interesting basically showed various women pictures of different men. They monitored brain activity for response.. The closer a woman was to ovulating the more attractive she would find masculine men, facial hair etc. The same women taking the test at a different time of her cycle when not ovulating found the less masculine men more attractive, boyish looks, smooth face etc.

The conclusion was that during ovulation the natural instinct is to seek out a man who looks powerful, strong and healthy for reproduction. When not ovulating the instinct was to seek out a man who looks like a good provider would stick around with children, more doscile etc.

So for men like me(boyish looks) the lesson is try to find a date when the woman has no interest in sleeping with anyone! :evilgrin:

[Odin2005]

63. Intresting.

This sounds a lot like a residue of the chimp-like social structure postulated for Australopithicus. The thread title is inappropriate, though; we men cheat as much as women do, probably even more than women do.

[lovuian]

64. Cheat on tests or cheat on partners... LOL!!!

Oh we are those descendants Eve who stole the apple!!! and ate it...

[fishnfla]

66. Has been proven with Hedgerow sparrows

they all want to mate with the top sparrow around, in addition to their own mate. Something about passing on the best DNA

[PassingFair]

81. Can be DISproven by swans. ....n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. But that phase is when women are at their horniest.

Gee, what a shock, women are most vulnerable to cheating when they are at their horniest.

[fishwax]

101. yeah, duh

genetics? what about a shift in hormones? Being attracted to more than one man (or woman) is hardly evidence of a genetic disposition towards "cheating." Sheesh. Some of these silly studies might be interesting or fun if they weren't distorted by some and taken seriously by so many others.

[aikoaiko]

71. Sperm competition and selection. Do it for the children.

:-)

[Book Lover]

72. 38 and 43 subjects of study?

Ooooooookay. Way to extrapolate. What shitty science. Me, I'd recommend this (admittedly fluffy) SFGate article as an antidote http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/04/DDG9FGGE1B1.DTL&hw=women+study&sn=001&sc=1000

[Mutley]

74. Yes, because 38 women most certainly represent every woman in the world.

:eyes:

[bloom]

75. esp. 38 unmarried, college students.... n/t

[Ramognino]

77. Agh

You beat me to it. 38, *unmarried*, *college* students.

You could also argue that we are genetically disposed to anger and thus violence, but that doesn't really mean that it makes it somehow less immoral or more excusable.

We have a choice. Or, at least, we believe we do.

And that's enough.

[ismnotwasm]

79. Ugh.

"I hope the message women get is that they can use this information to realize their biology is toying with their desires and to ask themselves, 'Am I going to let that run my life, my sexual decision-making?' " Pillsworth said. "For the men I would say not to be too fearful of these findings. While women may notice other men during this part of their cycle, unfaithful behavior is relatively rare."

The woman in me is offended by that disgusting, condesending passage.

:puke:

I would love to see a world where women and men are able to throw off antiquated ideas of morality, are very in touch with their sexual selves, and act according to wants, needs and desires. Responsibly. Without the horrifing sexism or sexual sterotypes. (it can happen.)

I enjoy monogamy. I found I'm at happiest with a life partner.
I know several couples who do as well.

I know people who could never consider it, but out of social pressure try to conform. -"Cheaters"- come in two types, male and female with a whole host of confusing and conflicting desires and fantasies in between.
Gawd, doesn't anybody remember the so called sexual revolution, where everything from mulitple person marriages, to "open" marriages as well as other alternatives were actually discussed, and even tried out? Even total abstinence, as a life choice--is still a sexual choice.
It was a least above the radar, instead of a hidden, underground,-- forgive me for using the term --"lifestyle" Men and women also share many of the same hormones, and levels vary from person to person.

If someone is sexually healthy, (a mighty feat in today's world, with all the sexual manipulation, sexism, forced roles and sterotypes we endure) I believe sexual honesty with oneself and a desire to not harm or hurt others is the norm. But maybe I'm a dreamer.

[Batgirl]

82. I don't get offended by much

but you're right, that quote is pretty condescending.

[InaneAnanity]

100. How can you be offended by science???

We are all animals in the end. I don't see how this can surprise anyone who has studied evolution.

Of course we aren't beholden to our sexual urges, but that doesn't mean those urges don't exist.

[LWolf]

83. 38 coeds and 43 fertile women.

That's a representative sample, all right. :eyes:

There are women and men who cheat. There are women and men who do not cheat.

Some people are happy with monogamy. Some aren't. Biological imperatives and cultural norms both play a part. I wish those who weren't would just be honest about that and not enter into monogamous relationships to begin with.

[wadestock]

84. ANOTHER DISTRACTION TOPIC

Women are generally much more honest than men.
The reason is pretty simple...they think of themselves as being more vulnerable.

Men naturally think they can engineer or fix anything.

[hopeisaplace]

102. yet gawd forbid they should take the friggin washer apart

it will never run again.

nuff said.:dilemma:

[Silverhair]

89. Biological insurance politcy.

Human have evolved over millions of years as species of hunter-gatherers, and about 100K years as human hunter-gatherers. For a woman to have all her children by only one male was a high level of risk if there was a genetic problem in his line. Women who had one or two by other males diversified their genetic risk. They also gained a male they could look to for help if something happened to the primary relationship. So their female children also survived a bit more frequently and millions of years later, it is part of our genetic material.

No amount of protest marches can change it either. You can pretend it isn't true, but that is mere denial. Biology doesn't care about anybody's politics.

[peacebaby3]

104. Another bunch of crap study.

Nor do I buy any of this biological crap for either gender. We don't have to cheat and all of this "it's our biological nature" bullshit is just an excuse for people who don't care about or respect his/her partner enough to be faithful.

Let's see if we can work a little harder to justify cheating. :sarcasm:

[InaneAnanity]

105. This is amazing

Even Democrats abhor science when it tells them something about themselves they don't like.

Be objective. The scientists surely were.

[peacebaby3]

106. I don't cheat nor have I ever so this doesn't tell me anything about

myself. Guess I'm just abnormal, huh? I actually know a lot of people who haven't cheated so I guess we have all denied our biological tendencies! We must be freaks of nature! Not!

Sorry, it's crap so people can justify cheating. You can believe whatever you want to believe and certainly don't have to agree with me, but I know myself much better than you or any scientist. I certainly don't abhor science so don't pretend you know me.

[Djinn]

109. this study doesn't say what you seem to think it does

it's not saying "if you cheat it's not your fault" it's saying that there is a biological reason that people are generally attracted to more than one person (whether or not they ever act on it)

agree this study seems a little sloppy but it isn't saying that not cheating makes you a freak, at all.

[peacebaby3]

113. I do understand that, but this study is very sloppy and when I see this

kind of "science", it comes across as a way to say "oh, it's not your fault if you cheat because you can't help it, it's biological." Read some of the posts on this thread and see how many people associated this "study" of 38 college women with cheating being biological and so we just can't help it. AND the first sentence of this article says "Two new studies find that woman may be genetically predisposed to cheating on their partners." I'm not sure how much more plain it can be what these "studies" are saying.

Do I think Viggo Mortensen is an attractive man? Absolutely! Yes, that is normal, but I don't need a "study" tell me that and it surely isn't associated with my menstrual cycle. I think he's attractive all of the time. Around the time I get "my little friend," I don't start thinking, oh, I really want to screw someone other than my husband today. That's ridiculous.

There have been numerous scientific studies that are proven wrong by another scientific study a short time later so the "studies" are not always right. Give it time and a study will come out that says women are less likely to cheat around the time of their menstrual cycle (probably already has come out). I'd be willing to bet that you could get a lot more women to say that since we are usually bloated, have cramps, and feel rather crappy anyway. The last thing most women are thinking about is cheating. We are more than likely thinking - where is the Midol and the chocolate? Am I going to be able to button my pants today or am I too bloated? Is it possible to have a day where everybody leaves me the hell alone?

Edit: typo

[Odin2005]

116. "Even Democrats abhor science..."

As a biology major, yeah, it is very annoying that the Blank Slate nonsense is still adhered to by some of my fellow lefties for ideological reasons. :banghead:

I am currently reading Our Inner Ape by distinguisned Dutch-American primatologist Frans De Waal. The behavioral similarities between us and chimps is down right freaky.

[daleo]

108. Wouldn't they have to cheat with men?

So, wouldn't those men be cheating on their mates? So, wouldn't both men and women be programed to cheat then? I guess men are only programmed to cheat when women are in their highly fertile part of the cycle.

[newspeak]

110. you know, I smell bullshite

It goes both ways!!!!!! Okay, all you Chimpanzee women, it's time to breed- I'm sure your ready to breed anything--it's that animal magnitism!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[peacebaby3]

114. Insulting, isn't it? Maybe you guys shouldn't be so nervous about the

feminine hygiene product area in the store. If you run into some of us getting near "that time", we might just jump you right there!!! :evilgrin: