How do certain individuals know they were wiretapped by Bush?

[KansDem]

Christiane Amanpour & William Safire come to mind--how do they know they were spied on? Have their names been leaked discreetly, or, since they are in the media, did they receive inside information?

I could be wrong, but it seems somebody has "The List" and is only letting information out in little spurts. It seems The Media might know more than it's letting on. Will "The List" be made public?--And, if so, soon? (I hope, I hope!!!:D)

on edit: changed "indiscreetly" to "discreetly."

[ret5hd]

1. Fat Tony? Fat Tony, is that you?

(simpson fans will get it)

[EwokMyWeewok]

7. Moider?

What's a moider?

[SmokingJacket]

2. That is my question of the day, too.

Every day we hear about another one... oooh, the anticipation.

[tulsakatz]

3. the list is classified.......

........you know, it's their usual 'nat'l security' excuse. I doubt that we'll ever have a complete list.

But with Christiane's connections, she may have been able to get the info out of someone.........

[havocmom]

4. There's the trick about saying stuff only in one venue then checking

to see who all picks it up.

Biggest hope is that there are some patriots involved who are getting the word out. Real patriotism is affection for, and service to, the nation. Allegiance to a bunch of suits subverting the instruments of governance is NOT patriotic. Oaths of office are not made to particular individuals in a democracy. REAL patriots know that.

Here's to the whistle-blowers :toast: May their honorable ranks swell and prevail!

[peanutbrittle]

5. It will take a whistleblower "criminal"

for this info to be released. Rove & Gonzo will crush them

[librechik]

6. Safire bombshell came out in court, we don't know about Amanpour

but they seem to be suspicious of something over at NBC.

[gulfbreeze]

8. Tell me about Safire...

What court and when did it come out? I saw him telling about it but didn't know how he found out.

[librechik]

10. A court ordered the release of Kissinger's phone records...

but they fought it successfully for years...

basically, a leak said Safire was being tapped, and he pursued it in court.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/

Washington, D.C., May 26, 2004 - Five years after the National Security Archive initiated legal action to compel the State Department and the National Archives to recover the transcripts of Henry Kissinger's telephone calls from his "private" collection at the Library of Congress, the National Archives today released approximately 20,000 declassified pages (10 cubic feet) of these historic records, spanning Kissinger's tenure under President Nixon from 1969 to August 1974 as national security adviser and also as secretary of state beginning in September 1973.

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In the late 1970s, a reporter and two organizations sued to gain access to the telcons under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The federal district court and the US court of appeals both ruled that the documents were government records becuase they were prepared on government time by government employees. These lower courts stated that the State Department telcons should be returned to the State Department and reviewed for release under FOIA. In 1980, the Supreme Court, in Kissinger v. Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, 445 U.S. 136 (1980), reversed the decision, ruling that the FOIA did not apply to the telcons because they were outside of the Executive branch. The Court noted, however, that the Federal Records Act (FRA) provided authority for the Archivist of the United States, the agency head, and the Attorney General to recover improperly removed records. Accordingly, at the National Archive's behest, then Secretary of State Edmund Muskie agreed in 1980 to re-review the telcons at the LC for possible return to State, However, that review never took place. In 2001, Dr. Kissinger, upon request from NARA and the State Department following inquiries from researchers , gave both agencies copies of the transcripts held at LC. NARA photocopied the collection held at LC and began processing it for public release. The State Department is reviewing its collection and will release it at a later time.

[necso]

9. Generally,

you look for "indicators". (If you aren't told by someone that you can really trust -- or get other harder, more thoroughly/easily verifiable evidence.)

For example, people knowing things that they shouldn't (more precisely, holding information with higher confidence than they otherwise should and would -- like maybe they act on it when they otherwise wouldn't have had the confidence to).

These indicators could take the form of words or actions, things or whatever.

And you can fish for indicators by leaving as clues information (whatever) that only those who know (as above) something would respond to in a certain way.

In the biz (as I have read), sometimes you put out a document in subtly different forms -- then if it shows up as stolen (or whatever) you can identify the source.

It's all a question of confidence levels though, and guessing what the other side knows. Sound judgement, a somewhat intuitive thing, is the mark of a superior analyst.

And you can judge an analyst by his track record.

Oh, and a lack of something can be an indicator.