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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:36 PM
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Hermann Goering on war:
Found this interesting quote today:

Hermann Goering:
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

Hate to say it, considering who he was--but, as they say, the truth is the truth.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:38 PM
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1. Being evil doesn't automatically make you wrong about everything
Goering was right about marketing a war.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:04 PM
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6. He constructed hell of a tactical air force
but was short sighted when it came to making a strategic air force. Good thing though, helped the Nazis in losing the war.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:38 PM
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We are dealing with the devil in bush & company.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:45 PM
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3. Oooooh...
that graphic is scary. Good night nurse!!
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bagrman Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:24 PM
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9. Thats Scary
Latr
Chris
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:38 PM
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2. dupe
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 01:39 PM by Botany
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:48 PM
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4. And Leo Strauss, the Godfather of the neocon movement, borrowed...
heavily from Herman Goering's blueprint. I'm just saying...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:07 PM
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10. Strauss: If you don't have enemies, you aren't doing your job.
Leo Strauss believed if a country didn't have enemies it's leaders should make enemies as a method of rallying the people.


The Despoiling of America
by
Katherine Yurica

<snip>

Leo Strauss was born in 1899 and died in 1973. He was a Jewish scholar who fled Germany when Hitler gained power. He eventually found refuge in the United States where he taught political science at the University of Chicago. He is most famous for resuscitating Machiavelli and introducing his principles as the guiding philosophy of the neo-conservative movement. Strauss has been called the godfather of Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” More than any other man, Strauss breathed upon conservatism, inspiring it to rise from its atrophied condition and its natural dislike of change and to embrace an unbounded new political ideology that rides on the back of a revolutionary steed, hailing even radical change; hence the name Neo-Conservatives.

<snip>

Strauss’s teaching incorporated much of Machiavelli’s. Significantly, his philosophy is unfriendly to democracy—even antagonistic. At the same time Strauss upheld the necessity for a national religion not because he favored religious practices, but because religion in his view is necessary in order to control the population. Since neo-conservatives influenced by Strauss are in control of the Bush administration, I have prepared a brief list that shows the radical unchristian basis of neo-conservatism. I am indebted to Shadia Drury’s book (Leo Strauss and the American Right) and published interviews for the following:

First: Strauss believed that a leader had to perpetually deceive the citizens he ruled.

Secondly: Those who lead must understand there is no morality, there is only the right of the superior to rule the inferior.

Thirdly: According to Drury, Religion “is the glue that holds society together.”<40> It is a handle by which the ruler can manipulate the masses. Any religion will do. Strauss is indifferent to them all.

Fourthly: “Secular society…is the worst possible thing,” because it leads to individualism, liberalism, and relativism, all of which encourage dissent and rebellion. As Drury sums it up: “You want a crowd that you can manipulate like putty.”<41>

Fifthly: “Strauss thinks that a political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat; and following Machiavelli, he maintains that if no external threat exists, then one has to be manufactured.”<42> (Remember how the PNACers said they needed a "new Pearl Harbor" before Americans would go along with their plans, i.e. they needed an external threat. Then along comes 9/11 and BINGO /JC)

Sixthly: “In Strauss’s view, the trouble with liberal society is that it dispenses with noble lies and pious frauds. It tries to found society on secular rational foundations.”

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm


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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:13 PM
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11. Thanks for reposting Katherine Yurica's "Despoiling of America"
I'm fond of her work and that particular piece should be mandatory reading for all of us. She has other great essays at her site that are well researched and documented.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:11 PM
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12. Excellent read...Thanks...nt
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:50 PM
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5. half the sheeple are programmed to shutdown when they see Nazi anything
Too bad, because there are some extremely valuable lessons there.
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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:15 PM
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7. I hate it, but I'm convinced that this type of lesson is never learned.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 02:16 PM by heidler1
If people were capable of logical analysis of leaders like preachers and politicians there would not be 75 to 80% who believe that some god or leader is out there and will save them from their own stupidity. OK I agree some of the so called believers just say that they believe because their livelihood depends on promoting belief.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 PM
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8. History repeats itself
And Rumsferatu, Perle, and the rest of them have learned some lessons.
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