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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:54 PM
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10 things God won't ask email I received from a GOP'r
I received an email recently with a powerpoint that was pretty cool although being a progressive I had to send a response including another 10 things God wouldn't ask. I received a reply from an address of Lovegop@XXX.com (protecting privacy). Seems he was a good GOP'r and took issue with my responses. here's the original...and the ones I sent back, his response...and my response for your reading pleasure. Its long but some of you may enjoy it.

TEN THINGS GOD WON'T ASK
1...God won't ask what kind of car you drove, He'll ask how many people you drove who didn't have transportation.
2...God won't ask the square footage of your house, He'll ask how many people you welcomed into your home.
3...God won't ask about the clothes you had in your closet, He'll ask how many you helped to clothe.
4...God won't ask what your highest salary was, He'll ask if you compromised your character to obtain it.
5...God won't ask what your job title was, He'll ask if you performed your job to the best of our ability.
6...God won't ask how many friends you had, He'll ask how many people to whom you were a friend.
7...God won't ask in what neighborhood you lived, He'll ask how you treated your neighbors.
8...God won't ask about the color of your skin, He'll ask about the content of your character.
9...God won't ask why it took you so long to seek Salvation, He'll lovingly take you to your mansion in heaven, and not to the gates of Hell.
10...God won't ask how many people you forwarded this to, He'll ask if you were ashamed to pass it on to your friends.

MY REPLY (10 MORE things)
1. God won't ask you your political party. He'll ask if you supported policies that promoted all His children.
2. God won't ask if you fought against stem cell research. He'll ask if you did everything you could to help the sick.
3. God won't ask if you voted the way your pastor wanted to. He'll ask if you voted the way He wanted you to.
4. God won't ask if you went to church every Sunday. He'll ask how you acted on Monday through Saturday.
5. God won't ask if you had blind faith. He'll ask if you examined the issues carefully and found the answers He placed in your path.
6. God won't ask if you hated Bill and Hillary Clinton or Al Franken or Michael Moore... He'll ask why you didn't love your fellow man.
7. God won't ask if you supported the war or the troops. He'll ask why you did not support peace with His children.
8. God won't ask if you've picketed an abortion clinic. He'll ask how well you raised your own children.
9. God won't ask if you protected marriage from gays. He'll ask if you passed judgment on them.
10. God won't ask if you forwarded e-mail about him. He'll ask if you led by example.

His Reply: Must be written by a liberal

WELL LETS TAKE THE TEN QUESTIONS:

#1 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERTIVE MOVEMENT SUPPORTS ALL HIS CHILDREN RICH AND POOR.

#2 FIGHTING STEM CELL RESEARCH IS THE VIEW OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,GOD WANTS US TO PRAY FOR THE SICK...

#3 THE ACLU,LIBERALS AND SOCIALIST HAVE TAKEN GOD OUT OF GOVERMENT TO THE POINT WHERE THE PRIEST OR PUBLIC SCHOOLS CANT SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE POLICIES FOR FERR OF BEING SUED

#4 A CAFETERIA CATHOLIC MAY THINK THAT WAY......

#5 YES, AND THATS WHY IAM A REPUBLICAN WHO READS AND LISTENS TO THE ISSUES

# 6 HAVE YOU EVER READ A BOOK BY CLINTONS,AL FRANKEN,OR MICHAIL MOORE? THEY ARE FULL OF HATE LIES AND UNTRUTHS,COULD I LOVE THEM? AH NO


# 7 SUPPORTING PEACE THROUGH A STRONG DEFENSE,THE TERRORIST WANT TO KILL US BECAUSE WE ARE CHRISTIAN,THEY DONT CARE ABOUT PEACE,GET IT?

#8 WE HAVE RAISED OUR CHILDREN TO BELIEVE THAT ABORTION IS MURDER,AND TO FIGHT IT ANY WAY WE CAN..

# 9 WELL GOD PASSED JUDGEMENT ,AND I BELIEVE IN GOD...

#10 THATS WHAT IAM DOING NOW, IF YOU DONT STAND FOR SOMTHING YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING

My Final reply:

As a former student of seminary and ordained minister, I understand where your logic comes from. Let's examine a few of your statements.

#1. Are you truly implying that if you are in the Democratic Party or a liberal/progressive that you somehow don't support the rich and the poor. There are poor conservatives and rich liberals my friend, and neither have sole claim to God.

#2. God wants us to pray for the sick? Is that all? Have you read the book of Matthew lately? "For I was hungry and you fed Me; thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received Me in your homes; naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you took care of Me; in prison and you visited Me." It goes way beyond prayer my friend. Read James: "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can faith alone save him? Faith without works is dead.

#3 Taking God out of government? Give me a break, my friend. God can't be taken out of anything; schools, government, etc. I don't know what God you worship but the God I worship is Omnipotent and Omnipresent. "Taking" God out of government as you put it is impossible, its semantics and means nothing. And as far as the ACLU? They sure came in handy when your hero Rush Limbaugh used them to defend the privacy of his medical records. Be careful...you might just need the ACLU to protect your right to worship freely. Have you seen religious freedom legislation supported by the ACLU? It guarantees YOUR rights to worship. Did you know that the ACLU vigorously defends peoples’ freedom to choose the religious symbols of their choice? The right of each and every American to practice his or her own religion, or no religion at all, is among the most fundamental of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The Constitution's framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish only if the government leaves religion alone. The free exercise clause of the First Amendment guarantees the right to practice one's religion free of government interference. The ACLU will fight for this right FOR you.

#4 A cafeteria Catholic? Shame on you. "If two or more are gathered in my name, I will be among you". Jesus said that my friend. And it didn't meant only on sunday or in a church, OR a cafeteria. While I'm not a Catholic I find it appalling you would pass judgement on them.

#5 My question for you is do you listen objectively to all sides? Or do you simply re
gurgitate what you watch on television or are told by someone else without regard to your brethren? God has given us a brain and a heart. When you aren't sure, go with your heart. Let God alone be the judge of men. Again, I refer to our Sacred Text. Read Romans chapters 14 and 15. When Paul admonished us "to be of the same mind with one another" he is not telling us that we have to agree. He is telling us we must ALL agree that we will not let "doubtful disputations" arise out of our differing opinions. He said that we MUST accept each other dispite differences of preference and opinion. Only when we accept each other (liberal or conservative, Christian, Jew, or Muslim, Gay or straight) can we "with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

#6 Yes, I have read books by all three. I have also read books of the right side of the political spectrum. Have you? I still love my brother and sisters though I might disagree with them politically. Do you?

#7 Supporting Peace through a strong defense? Absolutely. Thats NOT what is currently happening. We were attacked by 15 SAUDI ARABIANS who trained in AFGHANISTAN. I supported our efforts there. Bush then took the offensive in Iraq and while ruled by a Dictator, had NOTHING to do with 911 and even Bush said this. Was Saddam a bad guy. Yep. Add him to the list of bad guys. Difference is? Other bad guys don't sit on one of the worlds largest oil supplies. I support our men and women in uniform and I support them now. I DON"T support this mission. It had nothing to do with the war on terror. Peace through war is an oxymoron. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Micah: .... "nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more". God abhors violence and brings peace through understanding. They DON'T kill us because we are Christian. That is an outright LIE. They DON"T kill us because of our freedom either. They KILL us because of our foriegn policy. Do the research. For God's sake my friend, 2 of Saddams chief officials were Christian.

#8 Fight abortion any way you can? Does this include blowing up clinics, shooting doctors, and terrifying children with images of aborted fetuses? Is that what Jesus would do? No. Its not. Abortion is a tragedy but its not stopped by hate, its stopped by understanding, education, and by all means: Love.

#8 AND #9 "Judge NOT lest ye be judged". Believing in God means we leave God as judge. We are ALL guilty of falling short in the eyes of God. Missing the mark (SIN). No sin is greater than another my friend. In humility we must all remember that without the grace of God, each one of us is capable of any sin. If we have been spared knowing this sin or that, it is the grace of God alone which has protected us, not any virtuous excellence of our own character. We are all flawed. We all make bad judgments. We all make decisions in haste, ignorance, and confusion. We all have made bad decisions based not on moral reflection, but on the basis of emotions such as fear and despair.

#10 Standing for God has nothing to do with political affiliation. Who do you stand for? the G-O-P or the G-O-D? I stand for the latter, and His Liberal son.






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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:57 PM
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1. God won't ask to be part of the govt.
Because the people won't let him.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. Remember what Jesus said
"Give that which is Ceaser unto Ceaser and that unto God which is God's."
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:00 PM
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2. Amen, Rev!
I really enjoyed reading your responses and loved your first list. May I email it to others?
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:01 PM
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5. absolutely! n/t
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:01 PM
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3. Nice replies.
I am living in FERR of that other guy.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. *lol* ~ although I know it's not charitable to laugh
at the weaknesses of others, sometimes it's difficult not to.

I love the rightwinger's #9 & #10. He equates himself to God. 'God judged, so that's what I'm doing now'! Amazing how they do this and totally ignore God's admonition against judging, 'lest ye yourselves be judged'.

Thanks to the OP. Beautiful and thoughtful responses to the mindless regurgitating of propaganda caused by fear and hate. Because that's what they do. They need to hate in order to feel equal, or superior. The right preys on the weak. Without people to 'judge' they feel impotent.

I give you credit for your patience with them. I try, but many times find it very difficult to do, mainly because they have done so much harm with their hatred, down through history.

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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. honestly...i'm not always that patient...my humanity gets in the way
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 02:50 PM by Danieljay
more often than not. I often fluctuate between faith and agnosticism. That being said, when I get hit up with the "God choosing sides" thing... I go into action. I have strong feelings about that.

I guess on a deep level I do believe in a higher power and an Omnipotent presence of good in the universe. Call it want you want, I'll call it God.

I am however just as capable as anyone of thinking someone else is an idiot.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
38. YEAH, AND I THINK HIS CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN
Why is it these assholes have to yell everything?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #38
71. That, and he can't spell either
sigh
I suppose the Goddess won't ask why the poor soul can't spell the words in his native language, but somehow it always makes me want to reach for my red pencil.

Hekate
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:01 PM
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4. Thank you for a great post.
I enjoyed reading that.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:02 PM
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6. Excellent response :-)
:-)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:03 PM
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7. Thanks for sharing with him & us.
Recommended and welcome to DU. :hi:



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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I can't take credit for the original (10 more things) but
I can take credit for the final 10 narrative and response to the GOP'r. The original (10 more things) were a work of another progressive. The rest is mine.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Welcome to Du
You did a great job. :) And yes Jesus was a liberal. And I like to think of him as a hippie too.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:07 PM
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8. That is a truly wonderful response
I hope you don't mind, I copied and printed it for my husband who is homebound most of the time.
Again, thanks :yourock:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:08 PM
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9. I especially like his reply to #8 and #9
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:13 PM
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11. Great responses from you!
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 02:13 PM by Mad_Dem_X
It never ceases to amaze me how GOP'ers can claim God as theirs alone when most of the time they do THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what the Scriptures teach!!

Edit: spelling
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Yep
My grandmother on my dad's side made an interesting point last time I was visiting her. She asked if they (a lot of Christian's like in this post) just follow "preachers" and "books" or do they actually read their Bible's?
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:13 PM
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12. Thank You.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 02:14 PM by OldEurope
O8)
I´m an atheist, but:
THANK YOU
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:14 PM
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13. Kudos to you for taking the time
to respond to that rigid puke. Your words must sting his poor little eyeballs.

:yourock:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:18 PM
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14. Great post!
Love it. And I noticed your replies were full of thought and understanding while the other person's were one liners that were talking points.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:18 PM
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15. This Is A Beautiful Post
I enjoyed reading it.

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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 PM
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19. Cafeteria Catholic?
Would that include those who support war (against the leanings of the Pope) and support the death penalty (in spite of the Pope's teaching?)
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #19
74. And t hose that want to carry guns as well. (nt)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:24 PM
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20. I anxiously await his further response.
Awesome. Bookmarked and Nominated.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:24 PM
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21. Thank you. Best part:
(#3) God can't be taken out of anything; schools, government, etc. I don't know what God you worship but the God I worship is Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:24 PM
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22. Well done and well said!
God's grace shows through.

K & R, bookmarked!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:36 PM
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23. This was especially very nice:


5. God won't ask if you had blind faith. He'll ask if you examined the issues carefully and found the answers He placed in your path.

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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:53 PM
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26. And the very first thing God won't ask...
He won't EVER ask you to vote republican!
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:26 PM
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27. He Just Replied: Are you ready for this....yikes....
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:45 PM by Danieljay
(edited to protect his email)

hope you can get through the spelling.

Lovegop@axx.com Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:17:10 EST
Subject: Re: 10 MORE things God wont ask....
To: danieljay1964@yahoo.com


WELL THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A GRADUATE OF SEMINARY AND ORDAINED MINISTER I SEE WHERE YOU GET YOUR LOGIC AND LIBERAI THINKING.

# 1 I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD A LIBERAL IN GOVERMENT TAKE UP THE CAUSE OF A RICH PERSON ONLY TO CLAIM THEY ARE ONLY FOR THE POOR FOR THEIR VOTE,THEY WANT TO STAY IN POWER.

#2 OF COURSE THERE IS MORE THAN JUST PRAYING I WAS KEEPING MY REMARKS SHORT



# 3 WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE ACLU STANDS


#4 DONT BE APPALLED THE FACT THAT YOU DONT THINK PEOPLE OF ANY FAITH DONT NEED TO GO TO A CHURCH TO WORSHIP TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT YOU


#5 I LISTEN AND READ MORE THAN I SHOULD,IT GIVE ME HIGH BLOOD PREASURE AND IS TOO UPSETTING,I HAVE BOOKS FROM BOTH SIDES

#6

#7 IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR AND STARTING WITH SADDAM,IF YOU THINK WE WENT IN THERE FOR OIL YOU ARE 100% WRONG AND LISTENING TO MUCH TO CNN.IF WE WANTED THE OIL WE WOULD HAVE FINISHED THE JOB THE LAST TIME.(HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD DIES BY THE SWORD) IS THAT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE UNIFORM?. I CAN SEE THE HATE IN YOUR WORDS FOR OUR PRESIDENT,YOUR TRUE COLORS OF BEING A LIBERAL IS SHOWING. IF YOU WERE TO GO OVER THERE AND TELL A TERROREST GOD DOSNT LIKE VIOLENCE AND THAT YOU WANT TO BRING PEACE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM ,SEE HOW LONG YOU LIVE.NO THANKS THEY WANT ONLY TO KILL US ,NOT BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY,BUT BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR RELIGION .WE CAN LOVE AND ACCEPT EACH OTHER LIBERAL,CONSERVATIVE,CHRISTIAN,JEW ALL WE WANT BUT TO A TERRORIST MUSLIM THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT .YOU ARE CRAZY IF YOU THINK THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY.LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS OVER THERE,WATCH FOX NEWS SOMETIME,THEY WANT US THERE THEY WANT THEIR FREEDOM I ALSO KNEW ONE OF SADDAMS CHIEF OFFICIALS WAS A CHRISTIAN AND HE SAID IT WORRIED HIM. YOUR QUOTE(NATION SHALL NOT LIFT UP A SWORD AGAINST NATION) GIVE ME A BREAK ,THATS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 2000 YEARS. THANK GOD SOME NATIONS DID TAKE UP ARMS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES,WE MIGHT NOT BE SPEAKING ENGLISH TODAY.

# 8 FIGHT ABORTION ANY WAY THAT IS LEGAL,AND I HOPE THAT CHILDREN THAT ARE TERRIFIED ABOUT SEEING PICTURES GROW UP KNOWING AND REMEMBERING HOW BAD IT IS.THANKS FOR REMINDING ME I NEED TO CALL RITE TI LIFE AND GIVE OF MY TIME NOT JUST MY MONEY.YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD AND STOP ABORTION WITH UNDERSTANDING EDUCATION AND LOVE,GOD HELP YOU

#9 I AGREE WITH YOU 100% ,SEE WE CAN GET ALONG

# 10 I ALSO STAND WITH GOD BUT WITH HIS CONSERTIVE SON
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Obviously Detached From Reality
The Professor
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. as well as spellcheck
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Wow! You're Right!
I wasn't reading for that sort of thing the first time. The writer of that reply is dumber than a fence post! Grammar is atrocious. Spelling is horrible. He used the word "to" instead of "too" at least 3 times!

This sort of dumbass is not worth the time it takes to write a reply.
The Professor
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I would like to respond like this...but I wont...I'm done with him...
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:53 PM by Danieljay

1. Then you haven't been paying attention.
2. Ya, right.
3. Ok.
4. I was simply quoting the Bible? Don't believe it?
5. I'll pray for the health of your body, AND your mind.
6. Doh!
7. You bought it hook line and sinker! Well done.
8. Abortion IS legal my friend, whether we like it or not.
9. Great! You are making progress.
10. Consertive son? Did you mean conservative? May I recommend spellcheck? I might actually begin to take you seriously.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. He Needs Remedial Writing Too!
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 03:47 PM by ProfessorGAC
Holy cow. It's not like he's excited and talking and his spoken grammar kind of falls apart. He's writing a response on a computer. And that's the best he can do? What an idiot.
The Professor

On Edit: If you do decide to send that reply, you spelled conservative wrong in #10. Given you've got the spellcheck comment, you might want to be clean yourself. Just in case.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. exactly...I was making my point...
note the question mark. You think he would have got my point?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. No!
There is no way he would have gotten it. Too stupid. (Or in his usage "to stupid").
The Professor
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
54. Might want to
rock his little world and point out that Jesus was a Liberal-Jew, not a Conservative-christian. He's using projection to make his "savior" more like himself, in essence his faith is nothing more than an ego-trip. BTW someone needs to introduce him to the <Shift> + <Enter> keys. That block of text from #7 in his last response gave me a headache.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. High blood preasure will do that
IM SERIES 1111
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. God I want a browser that automatically decapitalizes text!!!
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
48. Just tell him this:
You'll pray for him. Just that. ;)
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
49. Holy Mother of an English teacher
What on earth is this guy on about? That was ignorant to the point of hilarity, at least until I remembered just how ubiquitous people like this are, and that they are registered to vote.

Is this truly what we are up against? People like this cannot be educated nor convinced, we can only wait until they die. As much as I admire the OP's efforts (and I do, very much), the sheer futility of it all is rather depressing.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. I would correct his spelling,
punctuation and grammatical mistakes and send it back to him (like 'RITE TI LIFE') and wish him well in his endeavors.

I might be tempted to point out to him the statistics on abortion during Bush Sr.'s, Clinton's and now Bush Jr.'s administration. Abortions went up when Bush Sr. was president, down during the Clinton administration (education does work apparently) and they are back up now. Bill (RITE TI LIFER) Frist's family business profits hugely from abortions. But I doubt he would let any facts get in his way, so it's probably not worth it.

He gives money to RITE TI LIFE? Wonder if he knows what the Fundie leaders, like Ralph Reed had to say about 'wackos' who get all riled up about these issues and then give them money to fight their 'causes'. Poor guy, in a way you have to feel sorry for him.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:44 PM
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51. Good suggestions, Catrina...unfortunately this man can't even
make out his checks correctly even if he DID support "rite ti life". The irony runs deep with these uniformed hypocrits. Its actually quite sad.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:03 PM
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59. Apparently Jesus was the original neocon
These are people that follow Satan. Satan has taken their hearts. Satan has succeeded in twisting the words of Jesus for these people.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:33 PM
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63. My reply to #7
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 08:36 PM by Martin Eden
#7 IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR AND STARTING WITH SADDAM
That statement shows how misinformed you are. FACT: Bush himself admitted there is no evidence connecting Iraq with 9/11. FACT: None of the hijackers were Iraqi. FACT: The 9/11 Commission, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and US investigators in Iraq all concluded there was no operational relationship between the regime of Saddam Hussein and Islamic terrorists. Iraq was NOT the breeding ground for Islamic terrorism before we invaded, but NOW it is becoming -- according to the CIA's National Intelligence Council -- the recruiting and training ground for the next generation of professional terrorists.

IF YOU THINK WE WENT IN THERE FOR OIL YOU ARE 100% WRONG AND LISTENING TO MUCH TO CNN.IF WE WANTED THE OIL WE WOULD HAVE FINISHED THE JOB THE LAST TIME
If you don't think the strategic importance of this oil-rich region has anything to do with our military response in 1990 AND the current war of choice entered into under a false rationale, then you are ignorant of the real rationale behind "2000 YEARS" of warfare. The interests of wealth and power are behind almost every war, and our invasion of Iraq is one of the most glaring examples of this in the history of US military intervention.

(HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD DIES BY THE SWORD) IS THAT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE UNIFORM?. I CAN SEE THE HATE IN YOUR WORDS FOR OUR PRESIDENT,YOUR TRUE COLORS OF BEING A LIBERAL IS SHOWING. IF YOU WERE TO GO OVER THERE AND TELL A TERROREST GOD DOSNT LIKE VIOLENCE AND THAT YOU WANT TO BRING PEACE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM ,SEE HOW LONG YOU LIVE.NO THANKS
Our men and women in uniform ARE the sword -- Bush is the one living and making others die by it. If I went to Iraq I would EXPECT to become a target. WE invaded THEIR country and made the streets of their cities a bloody battleground. The average "TERROREST" you speak of is an Iraqi Sunni who wasn't committing acts of terrorism UNTIL he took up arms to drive us out. Criticism of the Bush foreign policy is not confined to LIBERALS. YOU should pay attention to what true conservatives like Brent Scowcroft, Anthony Zinni, Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts and others are saying. The Bush administration does NOT have a conservative foreign policy.

THEY WANT ONLY TO KILL US ,NOT BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY,BUT BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR RELIGION .WE CAN LOVE AND ACCEPT EACH OTHER LIBERAL,CONSERVATIVE,CHRISTIAN,JEW ALL WE WANT BUT TO A TERRORIST MUSLIM THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT .YOU ARE CRAZY IF YOU THINK THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR POLICY.
Does Canada, Sweden, and many other democracies have freedoms and religion? What's the difference between us and them in relation to the Islamic world? If you don't think it's our militaristic foreign polcy and history of support for regimes that have repressed them, then you're the CRAZY one.

LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS OVER THERE,WATCH FOX NEWS SOMETIME,THEY WANT US THERE THEY WANT THEIR FREEDOM
If you get your information and opinion from Fox News, that explains a lot of things. Polls of Iraqis consistently show they want us out.

I ALSO KNEW ONE OF SADDAMS CHIEF OFFICIALS WAS A CHRISTIAN AND HE SAID IT WORRIED HIM.
Saddam MURDERED anyone who worried him or whom he perceived as a threat to his power. His regime was a brutal dictatorship but it was also secular, which is why we supported him in his bloody war against the mullahs of Iran. The new Iraq will have considerably less religious freedom, and much friendlier relations with Iran.

YOUR QUOTE(NATION SHALL NOT LIFT UP A SWORD AGAINST NATION) GIVE ME A BREAK ,THATS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER 2000 YEARS.
Are you saying that 2000 years of warfare is what the PRINCE OF PEACE would have wanted?

THANK GOD SOME NATIONS DID TAKE UP ARMS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES,WE MIGHT NOT BE SPEAKING ENGLISH TODAY.
The invasion of Iraq was NOT ... repeat: was NOT self defense.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:38 PM
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65. Awesome....perhaps YOU should email him! Good points!
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:00 PM
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66. I did ,,, I think
After clicking on the link you provided the email format wasn't the same as normal, but it seems to have been sent. I cut and pasted my previous post verbatim.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:00 AM
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70. I xxx his domain...but there
are only a few with three letters. Guess.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:35 PM
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30. God would say "Damn you're good!"
:-)
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:51 PM
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34. Thank You for this....
....I'd also received that email and appreciate your replies. :hi:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:57 PM
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37. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your last sentence! Wonderful! :) n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:45 PM
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39. Tariq Aziz and who was the other Christian?
Iraqi Christians are a jovial bunch. They even have Chaldean Catholics there. They are definitely not getting killed for being Christian. Babylon was in Iraq. There were Iraqi Jews but they moved to Israel when that country was created. The 3 religions in the Middle East co-existed quite peacefully until Western interference: crusades and state of Israel.
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old blue Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:56 PM
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41. If Jesus walked the Earth today, there is absolutely no doubt that
the GOP would crucify him.

And the evangelicals would applaud.


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holboz Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:01 PM
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42. One of the best replies I've ever read. Period
You've hit the nail on the head. Excellent well-explained reaponse to an uneducated reply.

I don't understand those who exclude and persecute others yet claim they spread God's love. Heaven isn't a five star resort with a limited number of rooms and God certainly doesn't need the help of any mortal man/woman to help him sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

I think the one of the biggest problems in religion is the conflicting tones of the Old and New Testaments. The Old Testament is overflowing with damnation and punishment from an angry God should you disobey him, but the New Testament is filled a message of love, hope, peace and compassion for your fellow man. I think too many people who claim to be Christians put too much empahsis on the violence and fear in the Old Testament and not nearly enough on the hope and love of the New Testament.

IMO, that is. It's been 10 years since i've read the Bible from front to back, but those are my lingering impressions.



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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:06 PM
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43. Great reply Danieljay. I imagine this person is terrified to reply!
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:27 PM
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47. He actually DID reply..see post #27 n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:18 PM
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45. You should have emailed him and asked how he knows what
God will or will not ask. Was it divine intervention? If it is not then God MAY ask, "so now you put words in God mouth?" Tsk tsk. BTW, I love your replies. IMO, the fact that he went all caps on ya means your replies pissed him off! Good job!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:27 PM
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46. Beautiful
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 05:33 PM by DesertedRose
Well done, well done. :applause:

PS I know someone just like him. Thinks O'Reilly walked on water. :scared:
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Coloradan4Truth Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:18 PM
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52. Danieljay, in your final response #9
are you meaning to imply that being gay is a sin? Because it reads that way to me.

Not criticizing, just asking, and I'd like to point out a book called "Openly Gay, Openly Christian: How the Bible Really Is Gay Friendly" by Samuel Kader, which might be eye-opening to some.


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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:51 PM
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55. No... that wasn't my intention at all. But I'm sure our little GOP'r
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 08:08 PM by Danieljay
thinks so. Either way I don't think I used the word "Gay" anywhere in that section. I mentioned it briefly when talking about differences of opinion and acceptance of others who are different...I guess I don't understand where I made any implication that I thought it was. I'm curious, what lead you in that response to believe that was my implication at all?

For the record, I don't believe it is a "sin" to be gay either. Love is love in my book. I also don't believe that we are being judged for our "sins" the way many believe. I don't believe there is some "old man with a beard" guy in the sky keeping a book on who has been naughty and nice. That is not my perception of God. When I say we fall short in the eyes of God I don't mean that we aren't perfect either. I believe we are created perfectly in the eyes of God, each of us unique and unrepeatable; born with inherent gifts, talents, and personalities. Given that, by not becoming the best "I" we can become given our inherent gifts..we fall short of fulfilling "God's" plan for us. We "miss the mark" so to speak when we, knowing better, choose fear as opposed to love. We either consciously co-create with this power some call "God" or "higher power" etc for our personal and the collective good or we fall to the ways of the world and become victims of our own ignorance. Choose love and live, or choose fear and die (metaphorically speaking).
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:28 PM
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62. It does read that way at first.
It seems as though you're saying that well, being gay is a "flaw," sure, but no worse than any other. Thanks for clarifying.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:35 PM
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64. ohh I now know what you are talking about...let me clear it up..
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 08:37 PM by Danieljay
the ORIGINAL response of the "10 MORE ways" is what you both are referring to. I thought you were referring to my LAST ten responses. You were referring to the first reply. Ok, I can see how you might get that now. The First ten are paraphrased from another. The last ten responses and explanations are my words and I'll stand by those. That being said, I don't think they meant anything by it either other than responding to the ignorance of those on the right who already think that way.

Sorry bout that.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:50 PM
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53. Tell Him, "You mean Liberal Like Christ!?!"
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:51 PM
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56. thats great..thanks! n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:21 PM
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67. Works Everytime...
A lot of folks are using that term 'round my huge neck of the US woods. And you know, it's working... :)

Try it. Leaves most totally stunned and at a loss for words. Only the seriously blind will get angry & walk away.
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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:57 PM
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57. For me, the core of Jesus' teachings is found...
In that gem of a philosophical statement, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Take careful note that Jesus did NOT say, "Do NOT do unto others as you would NOT have them do unto you." That one's from Kung Fu Tzu, known to we Westerners as Confucius. If you think about it, there's a world of difference. Jesus was promoting ACTIVE goodwill, as opposed to Confucius' PASSIVE goodwill. In a nutshell, I think that Jesus' ideas were/are lightyears ahead of Confucius, and by extension, the rest of mankind. And yet I don't self-identify as a Christian. Odd, no?

SD
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:00 PM
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58. not odd at all...I'm with ya. I don't identify myself
as Christian either. I identify as a "person of faith". I actually wear lapel and a necklace that represents all the major religions and reads "One God, Many Paths". That pretty much sums up my theology these days.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:06 PM
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60. Excellent post
:yourock:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:12 PM
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61. We need more like you.
Well done and welcome (kinda late). Thank you.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:36 PM
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68. Beautiful!
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 10:36 PM by robbedvoter
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:49 PM
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69. You've got it
the peace of Christ. I misplaced mine and can only stifle my anger frustration and fear.

This is no way to live. Anger interefers with my relationship with God. Affects my ability to pray. Affects my ability to have hope.

You're an insprition, great GREAT post.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 04:59 AM
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72. Until 5 years ago I used to think praying about politics was unworthy
As a minister you might be interested in my "conversion" story, although I'm sure "LoveGOP" would have a stroke if s/he were to read it.

I used to believe praying about politics and elections was akin to praying that your football team would win: really not worthy of God's attention, and a foolish subject for prayer.

Not even Richard Nixon drove me to bring up this topic with the Almighty. I figured this was something we should and could take care of on our own.

George W. Bush and people such as "LoveGOP" have convinced me otherwise. While I certainly remain a person who believes more in "works" than in "faith," my level of anguish periodically drives me to address various petitions to the deity, light candles to the Goddess, and set up a small home altar dedicated to the soul of our nation, which I believe is in the gravest peril.

Thanks for your post with all its thoughtful responses.

Hekate
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:15 AM
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73. Way to put ignorance and hatred in their places! n/t
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:04 AM
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75. Excellent post thank you (nt)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:49 AM
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76. Is this guy some Catholic Neocon or someone who doesn't like Catholics?
Either way he can kiss my liberal Catholic Ass

His "Conservative Son" comment from the last letter...what a fucking maroon.
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