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Thu Jan-05-06 02:06 PM
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where are the abu graihb photos? |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:06 PM
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1. Yes, indeed, where are they?! Recommended. |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:07 PM
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2. Thank you!!!!!! I have wanted to pose the question for days!!!! |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:07 PM
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3. Agreed...WHERE ARE THEY ! ? ? ! nt. |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:08 PM
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:08 PM
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5. This is getting ridiculous ! |
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Release the damn pictures... stop covering up the crimes of the Bush Administration !
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:15 PM
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6. Currently on appeals to the 2nd circuit |
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The FOIA request by the ACLU vs Department of Defense is currently heading to the 2nd appeals court. Given the timing of the intent to appeal, others have suggested Late Februrary as being the next earliest deadline whereby a decision could be rendered. This timing takes into consideration the 30 days for appeal, 30 days for the response from the ACLU and another typically 15 days minimum for deliberation.
After that decision, by a panel of 3 judges, the DoD has recourse to the supreme court if they desire, but it has been pointed out by many that FOIA requests have never made it to the Supreme Court, and all legal folks watching this case believe it will be settled in the 2nd circuit.
It's been said that a Presidential Order that was made in december wipes out this ACLU v DoD case, but this is clearly not the situation, since the DoD would just cite the new order and have the case dismissed, if they could.
Also another point of optimisim about the case is that the three judge panel almost always considers the findings of the lower non-appeals court judges very carefully, and are obliged to treat it almost as fact, unless the appealing party can prove that the judge's findings were in error, or factually wrong. In other words, the forcefulness of Hellerstein's position on the release of the DoD helps out the ACLU's case, since the appeals judges must consider his findings as fact.
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:18 PM
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7. won't it eventually works it way to SCOTUS |
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and be stopped in it's tracks?
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 PM
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Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 02:33 PM by Moochy
But precedent matters here, I've read that the increased scrutiny that the case would receive at the supreme court is a definite political liability. And that no FOIA case has ever reached the supreme court, but legally there could be another 6-9 months in an attempt to appeal to the SC, that might be denied which would mean that whatever decision made in the appeals court would stand, and if it forced the DoD to release the pictures, we are still talking 2006 and early 2007 at the latest, still in time to have an effect on the 2008 presidential elections, but possibly not in time for the 2006 elections.
There is little press coverage over the 2nd district appeals court processes around this case, as is evidenced by the *complete* lack of press coverage of this case. The same would *not* be true if the case makes it to the Supreme Court.
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:46 PM
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I've been wondering about that.
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:18 PM
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8. sitting on Cheney's desk... |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:23 PM
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11. Masturbation material? |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:54 PM
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:19 PM
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9. Sitting right next to Fitzgerald's 22 indictments. n/t |
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:29 PM
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12. Geezus, somebody leak the damned things already... |
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I think that's the only way they will ever go public.
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:45 PM
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14. I wondered the same thing... |
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Is the set of photos and videos turned over to the DOD the only set? Or are there copies?
I wonder at the wisdom of relinquishing the only set to the bowels of the Pentagon, and hope there is a duplicate set to be leaked if and when the current stonewalling ploy is played out with the original set forever buried...
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:34 PM
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:kick: answer is in post #6.
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Thu Jan-05-06 02:59 PM
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17. I ask this same question periodically... |
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and I get the same answer. no one knows.
Yes, they are up for appeals and probably will be for the rest of our lives.
Gone with the wind...
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Thu Jan-05-06 03:35 PM
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19. "The rest of our lives" |
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I seem to be the only one who ever chimes in with the answer on these threads. It's hard to find, the info, since it's been out of the news since November.
"no one knows" I do I do!
Well if you consider "The rest of our lives" to be only through the end of 2006 early 2007. ;-)
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Thu Jan-05-06 04:48 PM
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21. Here here!!! Valid point!! To 2006 and beyond!!! |
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Then hopefully ALL the truth will come out.
cheers!
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Thu Jan-05-06 10:59 PM
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23. I appreciate your answer upthread. |
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Seems that the DoD's position is that they cannot be released because "some folks will be upset by them". WTF kind of legal argument is that?
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Thu Jan-05-06 03:32 PM
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18. They're never coming out unless someone leaks them |
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Thu Jan-05-06 03:37 PM
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20. What is to keep congressmen from... |
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What is to keep congressmen who viewed them over a year ago from describing what they are and giving his/her comment? Why can't those who have seen them inform the public?
Just because the photos and videos themselves are held up doesn't mean the issue and accountability has to die....
...more passivity by opposition party.
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Thu Jan-05-06 05:00 PM
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22. Photos? Bush said "we do not torture." Isn't that good enough for you? |
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The judge and senators who saw them must have been mistaken. There are no photos.
Oh, and Abramoff's corrupt political contributions were bipartisan. And Saddam has WMD.
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