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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:53 PM
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Ben-Horin (Israeli Robertson jr.): "The angels listened to our prayers."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L05272013.htm

Reaction to Sharon's critical condition

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Israeli ultranationalist Michael Ben-Horin, a member of the anti-Arab Kach group: "The angels listened to our prayers."



We've got wacko fundies too :yoiks:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:56 PM
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1. The wacko fundies are having a field day!
Pat Robertson, that wacko from the terrorist group, now this asshole! It is so sad when hate is the unifier!
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:58 PM
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2. indeed. :-(
peace.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:00 PM
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3. Good gravy.
If you can't say something nice...

Actually there isn't much that is nice that I can say about Sharon.



He was a man who loved his people. That's about it. But I'm not going to cheer the man's death.
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tonkatoy57 Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:04 PM
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4. Ben-Horin?
Or is that Been-Whorin'?

It's somehow comforting to know that whack jobs come in all flavors.
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:05 PM
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5. at least Sharon was elected democratically, that's more than I can
say about Bush!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:13 PM
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6. ‘We prayed for Sharon’s death’ (7/26/05)
Right-wing activists claim they had held a ‘Pulsa Dinura’ (curse) that called for the prime minister’s demise 10 years after they had put the same curse on slain Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3118275,00.html

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"Right-wing activists claim they performed a “Pulsa Dinura” - a kabbalistic ceremony in which God is asked to curse someone who is believed to be a sinner - calling for the death of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Some 20 right-wing activists participated in the ceremony, which took place at the ancient cemetery in Rosh Pina. According to the participants,the ceremony was authorized by rabbis.

It was a call for the angels of destruction to kill Arik Sharon,” Michael Ben-Horin, who participated in the ceremony, told Ynet. “The ceremony was intended for the angels of destruction, not for humans, as it would be futile for people to attempt it (assassinating Sharon) amid all the prime minister’s security.”


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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:15 PM
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7. yikes.
thanks for the additional info.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:18 PM
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8. Sounds like sorcery
No?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 03:26 PM
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9. Pulsa diNura:
Pulsa diNura or Pulsa Denoura (Aramaic: פולסא דנורא "lashes of fire") is a kabbalistic ceremony in which God is asked to curse someone who is believed to be a sinner.

The origin of this phrase seems to come from the Babylonian Talmud, in tractate Hagigah 15a. This section mentions sixty "pulsey d'nura" (plural) in order to discipline the angel Metatron. A pulsa d'nura is also mentioned once in the Zohar (section 3:263c, Raya Mehemna), one of the classic works of Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism). There it is described as a heavenly punishment against a person who does not fulfill their religious obligations. The phrase appears in a small number of other locations in the Talmud and Zohar, but not in the context of a mystical curse.

Some adherents of Kabbalah developed the idea of invoking a curse against a sinner, which they termed pulsa diNura.

According to Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, from Yeshivat Benei N'vi'im, in Chicago, Illinois, USA, the popular perception of the pulsa dinura as a curse is mistaken. He writes:

The Pulsa D’Nora has wrongfully been associated with a certain school of Kabbalah known as Kabbalah Ma'asit (magic). The Pulsa D'Nora is not a magical formula. Torah and Judaism have no connection to or tolerance of magic in any form. Therefore, the consideration of anything in holy Kabbalah, an integral part of Torah from Sinai to have any ties to magic is a spurious and offensive suggestion. The Pulsa D'Nora is actually not a "curse of death" as many mistakenly believe. No Rabbi or Kabbalist has the right or authority to curse another to death. In accordance to Torah Law, the only way a Jew is put to death is for violation of specific Biblical laws and then only after being tried and condemned by a kosher and authoritative Sanhedrin, the likes of which have not existed in Israel and among the Jewish people since the days of the Temple.


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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:56 PM
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10. I doubt the angels listened to any such "prayers"
But Mossad certainly may well have. With Sharon's new party running away with the next election, the fascist bastards at Likud/Mossad Inc. only had one option. Remove Sharon and watch his fledgling party collapse.

They took Arafat out in order to remove an obstacle to their agenda. They took out Rabin before. Why not Sharon? In their sick minds, he had become a liability.
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