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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:16 PM
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Wisdom from the last Republican worth half a crap.

General Dwight David Eisenhower
U.S. President 1953-1961

Dubya should listen:

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity."
o Speech in Ottawa, Canada (10 January 1946)

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
o Inaugural address (20 January 1953)

"All of us have heard this term 'preventative war' since the earliest days of Hitler. I recall that is about the first time I heard it. In this day and time... I don't believe there is such a thing; and, frankly, I wouldn't even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing."
o Press conference (1953)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. <...> Is there no other way the world may live?"
o "The Chance for Peace" - A speech given to the American Society of Newspaper Editors (16 April 1953)


"...if a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power."
o Remarks at Fourth Annual Republican Women's National Conference (6 March 1956)

"I tell this story to illustrate the truth of the statement I heard long ago in the Army: Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. There is a very great distinction because when you are planning for an emergency you must start with this one thing: the very definition of 'emergency' is that it is unexpected, therefore it is not going to happen the way you are planning."
o Source: A speech to the National Defense Executive Reserve Conference in Washington, DC (14 November 1957)

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
o Letter to Edgar Newton Eisenhower, his brother (8 November 1954)

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience…we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
o Farewell speech as President (17 January 1961)

"Un-American activity cannot be prevented or routed out by employing un-American methods; to preserve freedom we must use the tools that freedom provides."
o The White House Years: Mandate for Change, 1953-1956 (1963) p331

"I was against on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender, and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."
o Newsweek (11 November 1963) On his stated opposition to the use of the atomic bomb against the Japanese.

"An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows."

"Humility must always be the portion of any man who recieves acclaim earned in the blood of his followers and the sacrifices of his friends."

"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it."

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."

"May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion."

"Only strength can cooperate. Weakness can only beg."
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:19 PM
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1. Bookmarking
Also kicking and recommending.

Welcome to DU! Keep up the good work!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:00 PM
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11. me too
:hi:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:52 AM
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37. Me 3. Thanks. n/t
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:22 PM
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2. Thanks -- if only there were more Republicans like him
and even a whole lot of Democrats are more like GOP lite.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:22 PM
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3. Kick
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:23 PM
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4. Wisdom is not bounded by political partisanship. n/t
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:31 PM
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5. very good collection. K&R. n/t
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:32 PM
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6. That's one biography Dubya should have read to him...
Unless it comes in pop-up format.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:42 PM
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7. You'd Swear he was a LIBERAL!
But he gave a damn about America & US.

The ones in power now are passed-out drunk with way too much power and money! Our money.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:42 PM
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12. Ike was a low-key Democrat until drafted by the GOP in 1952
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 07:44 PM by Zambero
Back then the Republican party was the more moderate party. There were mainstream conservatives to be sure (Sen. Everett Dirksen for example), but also a fair share of middle-of-the roaders such as Sen. Jake Javits. The Democrats simultaneously comprised the outermost left and right wings of the political spectrum (remember Strom and the other "Dixiecrats"?). All the GOP wanted was a winner in '52, after being out of the White House for a full 20 years. They needed a sure bet, and in this case they needed to look no further than Ike the genial general, a true hero.

It's unfortunate indeed that this once-great political entity strayed from the path of moderation and integrity, only to cultivate an insidious and corrupt brand of fascism. Even Barry Goldwater, the father of modern conservatism, realized that things had gotten way out of hand, but it was too late -- the Karl Rove brand of "winning" politics was the order of the day, marrying the worst aspects of religious fundamental extremism with regressive economic policies. Add corruption, lies, deceit, gross fiscal irresponsibility, and cronyism, and you have the underpinnings of today's Republican party. Indeed, Ike would not be happy.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:49 PM
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46. that is how my mom remembers it...Ike was recruited to the GOP
he wouldn't fit into their party today...
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:13 PM
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23. Perhaps that's why his son John voted for Kerry
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:55 AM
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40. There were liberals, moderates, and conservatives in both parties
So moderates generally did well in national elections.

After the 60s, after the civil rights movement to be precise, the Repubs went to the right and the Dems went to the left. Then during the 90s, the Dems shifted to the center and the Repubs went off the deep end straight to insanity. Yet, somehow, the extremist party managed to take absolute power over every branch. :crazy:

By Eisenhower's own logic, the Repubs are done. As a party they have fucked up beyond help.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:04 PM
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43. He was an American patriot. Dem, Rep, Lib, Con were details. nt
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:44 PM
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8. Shows how far to the right the whole country has moved
If Eisenhower were here today, espousing the same ideas, he'd be considered more liberal than most of the officials in our Democratic party.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:35 PM
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19. Words like that would cost him the Democratic nomination these days
he'd be considered unelectable ...
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:45 PM
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9. I really hope this passage, especially, prevails this year.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
o Letter to Edgar Newton Eisenhower, his brother (8 November 1954)


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PatrioticLeftie Donating Member (909 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:57 PM
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10. That's a very good quote
Ought to be repeated.
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:00 AM
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39. That tiny splinter group Ike refers to now runs the country
and dominates business "thought." Shame he wasn't a better prophet.
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StraightDope Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:45 PM
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13. Ah, Ike...
Maybe the last honest Republican. What a shame that the party of Lincoln has degenerated into its present detestable incarnation... :(

SD
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:56 PM
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14. In W's Amerikka, honest dissent is treated as disloyal subversion
or so it could be argued: Ike would turn over in his grave to know how each of the hallowed principles he believed in and fought for have been trashed. :(
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:29 PM
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15. K & R
Dubya should listen.



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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:29 PM
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16. Dirty commie pinko!
:sarcasm:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:31 PM
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17. My god... If only we had leaders like that today...
Hell if a Republican talked like that in this day, I'd call myself one.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:35 PM
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18. He warned us of the coming storm.
Ike lived through the Pest Control Wars and watched as the Military Industrial Complex modelled itself after the pesticide industry. Warned us of the inhuman monster. Ike was a Republican, everyone that came after is a Repuke.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:36 PM
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20. nice compilation, thanks!
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 08:36 PM by fishwax
:bounce:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:36 PM
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21. OMG I'm gonna' cry!!! This nation has LOST its history,....
,...via greedy mutha' fucka's who don't give a damn about anyone or any ideal other than their own self SELF interests!!!

:cry:

We are lost/blind/ignorant/naive,...being led by those who take us to the slaughterhouse,...to make a profit off our existence.

Freedom my ass!!!!
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:04 PM
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22. Wonder what Ike would of thought of shrubs spying on Americans?
"Un-American activity cannot be prevented or routed out by employing un-American methods; to preserve freedom we must use the tools that freedom provides."
o The White House Years: Mandate for Change, 1953-1956 (1963) p331

Hmmmm...guess we know after all. What ever happened to the Republicans I could respect?
Ike must be spinning in his grave...
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:15 PM
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24. K & R.
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Osito Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:17 PM
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25. You are warming the cockles of Pat Buchanan's heart!
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:18 PM
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26. LOL. Welcome to DU.
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Osito Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:34 PM
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28. Thanks, and nice to make your acquaintance.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:19 PM
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27. Linky linky?
Nice quotes, but it's also nice to have a source. This stuff needs to go in the research section too.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:40 AM
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36. Here's a source for many of the quotations.
www.eisenhower.archives.gov/ss.htm


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:51 AM
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29. Thanks for posting this. One more indication of how the current GOP
has betrayed its roots.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:47 AM
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30. I question any veteran who is a warhawk.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:56 AM
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31. No one loves peace like a soldier
My friend James told me this when we were talking about Iraq. James is an Viet Nam Veteran.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:04 AM
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32. Imagine the media attack that Karl Rove or Rush would mount
against any politician that stated all this liberal sentiment today.

Who knew in 1953 that Eisenhower was part of the looney left?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:11 AM
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33. excellent post!
:kick:
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:32 AM
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34. Bookmarked, Nominated
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:36 AM
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35. But today's Republicans look up to Ronald Reagan....
They would consider Ike's words to be dangerously radical.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:55 AM
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38. it's just so sad n/t
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:42 PM
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41. Great stuff.
However, Ron Paul is a republican who is still worth a crap.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 04:08 PM
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42. This quote proves Ike didn't know political science
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
o Letter to Edgar Newton Eisenhower, his brother (8 November 1954)


Ipso-facto: the gops are doing just that (to wit: the Medicaid cuts, overtime pay cuts) and they are at the zenith of their power and hardly "not to be heard of again".

This excerpt brings to mind the gop agenda for downsizing gov't to eliminate the unwarranted corruption that government spending creates. However, the worst abusers are the war companies, by far, such as enterprise of Bushco and the Carlyle Group. I hope John Murtha reads this:

""This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience…we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
o Farewell speech as President (17 January 1961)

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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:08 PM
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44. I Like Ike. Look at Howard Dean's "Winning Back America"
where Dean cites the tax rates under Eisenhower.

I has the figures in my mind a year ago, but I've forgotten them now.

Ike seems like the Voice of Reason, doesn't he?

W makes Nixon look honest, makes Reagan look like a liberal, and
makes Quayle look like a genius!



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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:47 PM
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45. He seemed to be more worried about fascism in the US
than a communist threat.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:01 PM
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47. Ike wasn't a Republican when he said most of these things...
He was simply an American. A great one at that.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:30 PM
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48. kick nt
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