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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:32 PM
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Self-Delete. Walmart may in fact be innocent on this one.
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 07:19 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
I am deleting this. I no longer think I'm right. I think it may have been 100% innocent after all. Details will come later, I have to eat dinner.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:33 PM
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1. I wish I knew what you were talking about
It sounds interesting.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:35 PM
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2. Sorry bout that. I just included the link.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:41 PM
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6. Check out this screen grab:
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 06:42 PM by robbedvoter
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:43 PM
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8. This explains it.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:37 PM
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3. Yep
It's changed. I hope the media picks up and exposes this.
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treefrogjohn Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:39 PM
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4. New links are now there
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 06:41 PM by treefrogjohn
Now it suggests, If you liked Planet of the Apes, you should like Everybody Loves Raymond and Friends.

That makes no sense either, but at least it is not as offensive.

Stupid Walmart
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:00 PM
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13. The quickest fix they could come up with.
Idiots.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:09 PM
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15. Television box sets, I think.
unless they are being sarcastic and linking things with love and friendship in the titles.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:15 PM
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17. Ray Romano and Roddy MacDowell were both in a movie with Kevin Bacon
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:39 PM
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5. It's definitive that they try to say it has nothing to do with racism
Sorry if I can't be as readily disposed to believe Walmart....They already have a credibility problem with me.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:42 PM
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7. What in the hell are you talking about?
You might want to read the thread again.....
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:49 PM
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9. I did. And I use my own brain. Black actors hodge podge of movies
Edited on Thu Jan-05-06 06:50 PM by robbedvoter
put as "similar" to Planet of the Apes. After your lucky calls, irrelevant white actors shows were put instead. The correction makes no other sense other than - no more blacks. Word of the day:

WHITEWASH
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:53 PM
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10. Again, What the hell are you talking about?
The whole point of this thread is to confirm my belief that it was done for racial reasons, while also dispelling the myth from the other thread that it was an appropriate assortment since planet of the apes has racial bias tones to it and that's why the other movies were populated.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:55 PM
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11. Explanation offered by WM does sound plausible in a sense
If a new product was entered into their system, and there is a "genre" field that is used for linking movies for interest, then it sounds reasonable that someone coded that one as the wrong genre.

The question is WHO did it and WHY?

It MIGHT have been an honest mistake, or it might be a racist act by some low-level lackie who is a racist (or maybe just a smartass). Either of those explanations makes a lot more sense than any charge of corporate racism.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:18 PM
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18. My money would be that a racist individual did this.
Wal-Mart is still racist and evil, though.

They just have other methods of corporate racism at their disposal that are both more insidious and sometimes subtle.

http://wakeupwalmart.com/


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:00 PM
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12. If it were almost any company OTHER than Wal-Mart...
It could be "a technical error."

Given Wal-Mart's history...

ADL Letter to Wal-Mart
RE: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
http://www.adl.org/misc/wal-mart-protocols-ltr.asp


But it appears now that this is in fact the work of an idiot racist too stupid to know that Planet of The Apes is an anti-racist movie.


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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:02 PM
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14. See, NOW I agree with you....Their credibility is shaky.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:13 PM
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16. Yes, but a stopped clock is right twice per day
Wal-Mart could have done this as part of a collection of anti-racism movies for Black History Month.

They could have but they didn't.

I think that by saying they made "a technical error" they have all but admitted that somebody at Wal-Mart is a stupid, racist prick.

The fact that they've changed it, I think, shows that they did not intend for this movie linkage to be "policy."

Wal-Mart is racist, but they prefer to express their racism in ways other than linking Martin Luther King Jr. to movies about talking apes.

A "technical error" means a "technical person" gets a pink slip.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:19 PM
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19. .
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 08:45 PM
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20. I've spent some time lately trying to figure out...
...the marketing algorithms used by big online retailers. It's not too hard, just establish an account at E-Bay or Amazon and make a couple of purchases and do a few searches. In a short time, they create a "your store" marketing device to suggest other stuff you might want. By going through their recommendations and noting stuff you are NOT interested in, stuff you already have, etc., you generate MORE suggestions. As you watch the program try to identify stuff that will appeal to you, you start getting a picture of how it works.

There are several items that are commonly used:

First, the "talent." For books, it's the author, for CD's it's the artist and/or composer, for DVDs, it's the director and the principal actors.

Second, the "themes." These are keyword-based identifiers that are attached to each item in several ways. In some cases, the product source actually supplies the keywords with the item, dumping them directly into the retailer's software. In some cases, a staffer at the retailer has to enter them manually, usually from the "blurbs" supplied by the product source, but occasionally from online reviews and comments by readers. In some cases, the program "counts" the repetitions of words from master list, words used by readers/shoppers/reviewers to comment about the product on the retailer's website. A word appears a certain number of times in the product's comment stream, it gets dumped into the "theme" keyword file.

Third, the "genre." Similar to keywords, these are tags assigned by someone (I suspect both product and retailer sources) to describe the general type of product. "Screwball comedy" for example, or "noir thriller," etc. A product may have more than one genre tag.

All of these items (and possibly others) accumulate in the product's ID file. As the "If you liked..." subroutine performs searches to match each item with other items, to put those "Similar items" etc., displays on the item's home page (or on your personal marketing file,) it searches through the ID files of all the other products and "matches" based on whatever level of similarity is programmed to confirm a "match."

Those criteria definitely include "talent." This results in some fairly ludicrous matches, as the list will sometimes throw up suggestions of ANYTHING that the headline talent has ever done, no matter how different in style, theme, etc. For instance, if you really loved Katherine Hepburn and happened to order "Rooster Cogburn and the Lady," future suggestion lists will throw up everything John Wayne ever made, even if you've never even LOOKED at another Western and have never shown any interest in Wayne.

The same rote silliness occurs based on "theme" and "genre" matches. The search algorithm is rarely refined to the point where the program can identify really silly juxtapositions and exclude them. In this case, I STRONGLY suspect, based on many, many hours of examining these algorithms in action, that the studio identifies "POTA" as having the "theme" of race relations. The idiot Wal-Mart search/match algorithm dutifully went out and looked at the most popular (biggest selling) OTHER items that had "race relations" somewhere in their ID file, for some reason, and tossed them up onto the page. Wal-Mart's search/match engine is pretty primitive compared to some. If it had been (for example) Amazon, there would have been not only all those biopics and books about African Americans involved in the civil rights struggle (yes, that includes Tina Turner, Dorothy Dandridge, etc.,) but dozens more about revolutions, about apes, about alternate civilizations, etc. Along with every film ever made by Charlton Heston (what a hoot!) Roddy Macdowell, Rod Serling, etc. Probably the collected "Twilight Zone" episodes as well.

However, the Wal-Mart search/match is not nearly so comprehensive. They cut off at fewer items, for one thing, and I'm betting that they have limiters based on what's currently in stock, how many units have already been sold, similar price points, etc.

Do you really think those cheap shitheels at Wal-Mart would actually PAY enough human labor (even racist scum labor) to individually sit down and compile "match" lists for every one of millions of products?

Feh. As far as I'm concerned, they just got nailed by a really evil kwinkydink in their programming system. Couldn't happen to a nicer set of assholes, but I doubt anyone at Wallyworld was sitting around chuckling evilly, twirling their moustaches, and rubbing their hands about making the "monkeys/blacks" connection on the POTA webpage. The fact that they had to actually have some human programmer go in and change the system by hand is punishment enough... probably cost them all of thirty-seven cents in labor costs. Oh, the horror of it!!!

amusedly,
Bright
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:48 AM
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21. Amazon still needs to work on it though.
They recommended Sean Hannity's "Let Freedom ring" and Michael Weiner's "Liberalism is a mental disease" (yeah, like he knows!), because I bought Al Franken's "The Truth". Mark Crispin Miller's "Fooled Again" and the "I hate Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Reader"

Because I rated Blumenthal's "Clinton Wars", they recommended Dick: The Toe sucker: Morris' bitter Clinton sour grapes screeds.

But it does work partly. I ordered "Cry Baby" and "Pirates of the Carribean", and now my store has EVERYTHING JOHNNY DEPP, which I'm sure includes his used underpants too.
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