DU'ers who wear "tinfoilhats" have somehow manged to be CORRECT!

[KoKo]

"Time after Time" ...to quote an old song by Cindi Lauper..

How is it that even our wildest postulations..somehow turn up in the Media years later. :shrug: I dunno know.........duh...

[mom cat]

1. I think that the tin foil brigade has the NYT beat hands down!

[gademocrat7]

3. Well put

[NNN0LHI]

118. I have had someone use NYT as a source when suggesting I was...

...wearing tinfoil more than once. I will never forget that.

Don

[bpilgrim]

2. and still get no respect ;->

sup 'old timer' :hi:

peace

[Taxloss]

13. For good reasons. n/t

[bpilgrim]

15. at least we got our own forum :P

not to mention a better record than the M$M ;->


more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

psst... pass the word :hi:

peace

[burythehatchet]

126. as opposed to the deep, abiding respect that you seem to enjoy.

:rofl:

[Taxloss]

127. I don't need your respect.

You tinfoilers seem to think you deserve ours, though, because you get this whiny whenever someone rains on your deluded parade.

[JuniperLea]

4. We are in good company

alongside all those forward-thinking people who came before us who were undaunted by ridicule and kept at their thinking. You know, little things like, the Earth is round... the Earth revolves around the Sun... there are germs everywhere and one should wash their hands before operating on another person.

Everyone who said those things first was thought to be a class A loon!

[SkiGuy]

5. That's why I joined you guys!

My hat's still shiny and new..but it works like y'all said!
:tinfoilhat:

[Mountainman]

6. It's quite simple to figure this administration out. If they did it in

Hitler's administration they are doing it in Bush's administration. I'm convinced that they are following the 3rd Reich policies. Spying, propaganda, torture, wars of opportunity, enriching themselves with the country's wealth, leaving future generations to deal with the mess. Hitler was above the law because he made the law. Same same Bush.

And no I won't apologize for the analogy.

[glitch]

41. Bush ain't Hitler - he's Hitler's Revenge.

I think some people have an innate tendency to look for patterns and systems. These people see the patterns bushco presents quite clearly. Other people don't look for patterns, and I think they honestly don't see what we see. I think that scares them a bit and so they label us conspiracy theorists. I don't mind.

I don't think one group is smarter than the other, we all just process our input differently.

No apologies.

[applegrove]

7. The neocon pattern is more and more obvious. More interested in

followers who hate governance and are not public servants but "takers".

[MissWaverly]

8. speaking of tin foil

why did Bush sneak in 3 recess appointments to the FEC if he DIDN'T have something
to hide about the 2000 and 2004 elections. I had a interesting link on this.

Washington, D.C.- Senators McCain and Feingold along with Congressmen Shays and Meehan sent a letter to the President urging him not to use his recess appointment powers to fill the current vacancies at the Federal Election Commission. The letter also encouraged the President to appoint people who are "professionally qualified, independent-minded, and publicly credible" to carry out the agency's enforcement responsibilities.

Excerpt from this letter

We are writing, again, to strongly urge you to take advantage of a rare opportunity to change the makeup of the ineffective Federal Election Commission (FEC) and to request that you not use your recess appointment powers to fill the current vacancies at that agency. Through its repeated failures to properly interpret and enforce campaign finance laws, the FEC, has played a central role in circumventing the law and allowing corrupt practices in our political system. This problem can be fixed by appointing FEC Commissioners who are committed to enforcing the laws as written by Congress and interpreted by the courts.

http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/press-1848.html

[KoKo]

11. and the 14 other recess appointments......omg., Tinfoil Beams Explode!

Bush: 17 recess appointments tonight. Google Time
Posted by Steve_DeShazer
Added to homepage Thu Jan 05th 2006, 08:56 AM ET

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/2006010...

[MissWaverly]

20. It's an incredible justification for us

No president with nothing to hide who was beyond reproach would be constantly using
the back door for his appointments. I remember a time when those nominated were
at the top of the list and I am not talking about a rap sheet.

[acmejack]

22. He does it because he can!

He likes to be confrontational, to demonstrate our impotence to us once again. Want to bet they didn't laugh about these appointments?

[MissWaverly]

35. no, he's not going to build the sinking numbers that way

remember he is reaching out now.

[LibertyorDeath]

9. I'll take that as a compliment

Todays tinfoil is next years headlines



Don't leave home without it.

Cheers :)

[fooj]

10. I used to shrink from the "tinfoil" label...

Not anymore. I wear my hat proudly.:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Jackpine Radical]

61. In 2001, before 9-11 incidentally, I was one of the founders

of the Tinfoil Hat Society around here. We preceded, but were pre-empted by, the Grassy Knoll Society, which we all immediately joined.

Tigerlily was one of my co-founders who comes to mind. Haven't heard from her in ages.

[bpilgrim]

73. I hope Tigerlily is doing well

i do miss her, one of the best.

:hi: Jackpine you Radical ;-)

peace

[Jackpine Radical]

113. Yo, bp. I guess we're both getting pretty long in the tooth

in terms of our tenure on this board.

[Taxloss]

12. Wow! Bush caused the Tsunami?

The Bush admin diverted Katrina and blew up the levees?

The London 7 July bombings were planned by Bush to distract attention from Cindy Sheehan?

Blair threatened to nuke Brazil after Jean Charles de Menezes was shot, which is why they said they saw no conspiracy?

ALL these stories, so vehemently defended here, were TRUE?

[Wordie]

16. I guess there are limits. LOL

[bpilgrim]

18. takes a big tent to get the record DU has

and we got a paper trail to boot ;->



our errors are mostly on the side of caution while the M$M is on the side of destruction.
not to mention we are trying to figure it out from the cheap-seats (outside) vs the box seater's (M$M)

fyi: the CT one liners/bashers sound JUST LIKE the M$M, to most DU'ers :hi:

peace

[Cults4Bush]

30. Just like 'em...

the bashing that is.

[Silverhair]

53. The way that psychics claim being correct?

Make enough wild speculations and some of them will hit. Then trumpet the ones that hit and forget the many, many more misses.

[bpilgrim]

64. no, more like the way peer reviewed research is done

the mistakes or out right fraud is eventually sorted out.

DU has an excellent rep when compared to the M$M... and the coincidence theorist stock has gone way down in the new neoCON world with their BLATANT & WIDESPREAD criminal activities.

like i always say, thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs :bounce:

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Silverhair]

66. Check out this thread and the automatic CT responses.

About an hour ago, I started a thread about Bird Flu.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=66042&mesg_id=66042

It already has two response posters claiming that Bird Flu was/is bio-engineered by Bush people to kill people. They seem to come out of the woodwork.

[stickdog]

87. The article you posted is a load of bird shit.

The explosion of H5N1 bird flu infections in people and birds in Turkey is cause for concern.

Duh!

The number of suspected cases may have topped 30 with 3 new admissions from Agri and 2 from Ercis. The bird outbreaks have expanded to the south and west in Turkey.

How is this fundamentally different from any other outbreak?

The human cases have been alarming because of the sudden appearance of cases, the size of the clusters, and the severity of the disease.

1) The appearance is always sudden. 2) The cluster sizes are not atypical. 3) The disease, as manifested in humans contaminated by birds, has displayed a mortality rate well above 50% in all but the very first outbreak.

The simultaneous appearance of the human sequences suggests the H5N1 has change and become more efficient at infecting humans. The widespread nature of the human cases suggest this change has happened and has been amplified in birds.

These types of changes could be explained by the acquisition of HA S227N. This polymorphism was identified in H5N1 Z_+ genotype isolates from two Hong King residents who had visited Fujian Province in 2003. The polymorphism led to a decreased affinity for avian receptors and an increased affinity for human receptors. Although the affinity for the avian receptors was reduced, the HA still had a significant affinity. Similarly, although the affinity for human receptors increased, the affinity was significantly lower than the affinity of human influenza sero-types. These changes would allow the H5N1 to spread in birds, yet have a significant increase in efficiency of infecting humans. The H5N1 in the wild bird sequences also have the PB2 polymorphism, E627K, which increases virulence in mammals and favors viral replication at lower temperatures.

Bullshit fear mongering pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

The increased virulence could explain the severity of the infections in humans. Many have pneumonia and are on ventilators and many are bleeding from the mouth.

How is this ANY different from any other outbreak?

[Silverhair]

69. Before a person publishes for peer review...

...they attempt to check themselves. CTers just sling spaghetti at the wall.

[bpilgrim]

71. you can try to argue against DU success all you want

i'll let the record speak for itself ;-)

BTW: did your hear the National Security Archiver on NPR yesterday talk about the top secret 'Acustic Kitty' project (27:45) or have you read any of bamfords books on the NSA/CIA? there are a lot of REAL CONSPIRACIES out there and what we do best on DU is help to highlight them.

you can listen to the mp3 NPR interview here if you r interested...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/npr/national_security_archive_director-npr-tg-01-05-2006.mp3

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Silverhair]

107. And that record includes many garbage CTs. NT

[bpilgrim]

122. we are better than the M$M

that's what is important and why du continues to grow.

peace

[radio4progressives]

111. Coincidence theorists rock... ! NT

:toast:

[stepnw1f]

75. Surrrrrrrrrrrrre... that's what happens

Sounds like a theory to me....

[WillyT]

31. What... Ya Didn't Get The Memo ???

:evilgrin:

[EVDebs]

36. That appears to be the intent of Project HAARP

Somehow related to Nicola Tesla's experiments...

[bpilgrim]

38. Nicola Tesla's the Father of CT - you're mak'n us ALL look bad!!!

:P

:hi: EVDebs

peace

[EVDebs]

65. From: A History of Directed Energy Weapons.....

""As the radar continues to radiate, such a standing scalar EM wave is "charged up" to a higher and higher "potential", just like charging a capacitor. That is, in the standing wave, its "locked-in energy density of vacuum" is being steadily increased, simply by continuing to transmit with the radar in the scalar EM mode. However, what is actually being "charged up" or produced is a gravitational potential standing wave (and this G-potential is increasing.) Further, suppose the radar and its attached standing scalar wave (G-potential) are energized, and suddenly the radar transmitter suffers an electrical failure. The "scalar potential" represented by the charged-up vacuum energy (which can be enormous) in the standing wave would immediately discharge to earth in a sharp electrogravitational pulse (EGP). When a strong EGP pulse— which is absorbed by, and reradiated from, atomic nuclei rather than orbital electrons—struck stored radioactive nuclear wastes, the radioactive nuclei would all decay immediately, just as if internally exposed to an atomic bomb. A full nuclear explosion of the stored nuclear wastes—in the dirt and dirty—would occur, creating a terrible nuclear "accident."

That is exactly what caused the Kyshtym accident in 1957-58. Failure of a large scalar EM transmitter produced a giant EGP "arc discharge" into the earth, striking the atomic wastes stored nearby. The resulting explosion and radioactive fallout contaminated a very large area, which is still contaminated to this day. Hundreds—perhaps thousands— of casualties resulted.

So we can be confident that, in 1958, the Soviets were already experimenting with large scalar EM Whittaker beam weapons. We can also be confident that, after the Kyshtym disaster, the Soviets immediately realized the cause of the accident, and developed safety circuits to hold the standing wave from collapse in the event of electrical failure of the transmitter. Means to slowly "drain off" the accumulated EG potential safely into the earth—much like slowly discharging a capacitor—would also have been developed and incorporated into the beam transmitter""....

and these gems

""The next day, April 11, 1963, Khrushchev struck his second blow. Two deployed Soviet scalar EM weapons fired massive scalar EM pulses through the ocean. The two massive pulses met and interfered deep under the surface, 100 miles north of Puerto Rico. The resulting giant underwater EM explosion hurled a mushroom of water half a mile up into the air, and the anomalous explosion was observed (and later reported to the FBI and the Coast Guard) by the pilot and crew of a US. Jetliner passing nearby, enroute from Puerto Rico to Florida...

On May 18, 1977, the Soviets signed an agreement with the U.S. and 29 other countries, promising not to attack each other by causing man-made storms, earthquakes, or tidal waves. The Soviets had already tested weather control against the U.S. in 1967 and had been steadily using it against America for almost a year.""


just tidbits from
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/history-of-directed-energy-weapons.htm

with more on HAARP and other projects related to EMP and energy weapons. A very interesting article even if it could possibly be mere bull@#t, wouldn't you say ?

[stickdog]

48. All these stories were vehemently defended by whom???

Look it up and get back to us.

[Jackpine Radical]

63. Seeing your name in this context reminds me...

I don't think I ever formally thanked you for all the incredible analytic work you did on the Wellstone story, among other things.

[bpilgrim]

68. ditto

stickdog is certainly one of DU's BIGGIES and deserves a LOT of credit for help us be the most informed community online.

Thank you stickdog :toast:

peace

[Taxloss]

76. You want names?

Presumably you realise that's against DU rules. I can PM you links if you want. In the mean time, look at the "weather control"/HAARP argument developing in the subthread directly above.

[bpilgrim]

78. we want LINKS

it is a DU tradition ya know :hi:

fyi: weather control is an actively funded us military program.

have you ever heard about the 'Acoustic Kitty' project (not related to HAARP but another example of what may seem bizarre to the average joe but is actually real)

you can listen to the mp3 NPR interview here if you r interested...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/npr/national_security_archive_director-npr-tg-01-05-2006.mp3
(the kitty bit is at 27:45)

psst... pass the word ;->

peace

[Taxloss]

88. Well, most of the Tsunami and weather control threads were purged

So I do have links for them, but only to the "missing topic" page.

Here are some golden oldies ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1721764&mesg_id=1722003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4103792

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x54587

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4692760

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4745528

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4623265

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4683669&mesg_id=4683669

Want more?

BREAKING: Oh, and remember that time Raw Story reported that Rove would be indicted? Hasn't happened ...

[bpilgrim]

91. lol - your first 'example' was about the BRUTAL UK POLICE SHOOTING of

an INNOCENT MAN in their subway and we skeptics all got called every conspiracy name in the book for criticizing the story and pointing out its HOLES, hello...

i say that is ANOTHER good example of where DU is AHEAD of the curve.

thanks for sharing :toast:
(though nxt time provide excerpts, please... another DU tradition ;->

thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNETs :bounce:

peace

[Taxloss]

116. Rubbish.

Read the last sentence again. Blair nuking Brazil. Classic tinfoil.

[Taxloss]

119. Oh, another classic from today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=64429&mesg_id=64429

"Were the Notes pin to the Miners planted? Maybe by the mine company to lessen settlement amounts?"

Classic tinfoil. Pure, baseless speculation, layering prejudice over tragedy to create an insane story.

[stickdog]

97. And the last example is a poster asking a completely legitimate

QUESTION about the the New Orleans levees.

[Taxloss]

117. By saying they were "blown"?

"What exactly BLEW the levees?" - a choice of words with a tinfoil strip a mile wide. Also, read the responses to that thread for another healthy dose of deluded tinfoil.

[Balbus]

60. And don't forget the government's systematic killing of ...

mentally disabled people because we don't want them flying on our planes!!

[RandomKoolzip]

85. That in particular pissed me off. Oh, and (shudder) CHEMTRAILS!!!

:eyes:

I think it'd be closer to the truth if we just admitted that DU's "speculators" are right 50% of the time.

[Wordie]

14. You got it: ever since Watergate (when it was just a buried story on pg23)

I wear my hat with pride.

[Beelzebud]

17. I knew times were weird when Alex Jones started to become accurate

when describing how America is moving towards a fascist police state.

He's not too far off the mark at all. And that alone, is frightening. :D

[SoCalDem]

19. People at DU are thinkers, and we can follow a thought to its logical

conclusion.. We are not sound byte people, and we demand references and links to verify what we learn here.

Thinking ahead is not necessarily :tinfoilhat:

[sweetheart]

21. ain't no fun being right ta say i told ya so.

Seems being prescient, correct and straight up right repeatedly over years
is just a way to be systemically abused by those who are perpetually wrong, but
in aggreement with the orthodoxy of ignorance.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Bush caused the WV mining disaster?

Wow.

[KoKo]

24. Much as I luv ya!

go away on this one. :D Introducing "red herrings." Shame on you!

[WilliamPitt]

28. It isn't a red herring

The people defending the so-called "tinfoilers" have a good point, and should be defended.

But you can't ignore the reality that for every good theory put forth, we also have to wade through Bush-caused-the-tsunami/Bush-caused-the-mining-disaster/Gannon-Gosch-HST-snuff-film stuff. Those who disparage also have a decent point to make.

[bpilgrim]

29. the cream rises to the surface - gotta break some eggs, blah, blah, blah

and there is much more cream here than anywhere else.


you should know that better than anyone else, so why pick on the one or two extreme examples to be snarky in a thread celebrating your fellow DU'ers?

peace

[WilliamPitt]

32. There are more than one or two

The last post you wrote in one of my threads read something like "blah blah blah, get over yourself," so I'm wondering why you're bothering to engage with me.

That having been said, there are more than one or two "extreme examples," and you know it. The 9/11 Truth Movement is riddled with disinformation and theories that have no merit.

I have said many times that the conspiracy-hunters are to be lauded for their work, because they are often right (or close enough to being right that they unearth piles of important information).

But the people complaining about wild-ass theories have a point to make, too.

Blah blah blah, get over myself.

[bpilgrim]

37. we have been right for the most part about this criminal, radical regime

and i just called you out for being snarky in a thread celebrating DU'ers who have the GUTS to speak up... in case you haven't noticed after all these years i ain't afraid to speak up.

that having been said, there are STILL very many unanswered questions regarding 911 and i salute DU for having the courage to devote a forum to it to this very day.

who gives a shit about a FEW questions that don't measure up or pan out in the end? thats what DU is all about sorting it out and not being afraid to speak your mind.

I still engage you because i know you as a fellow DU'er from waay back who has spoken truth to power often and i respect that - as i have told you on occasion in the past as well - but as anyone else, sometimes you are wrong and when you are on the sauce - not that there is anything wrong with that & look who's talk'n - you can be way out there.

but you also must know by now that we all still love ya, man & sometimes i feel i can talk to you like a brother! (my brother gets pissed, too)

DU is the GREATEST open-source, english speaking, political think tank on the PLANET :bounce:

now go pen another TRUTH-2-POWER essay & chill bro ;->

:hug: :loveya:

peace

[eomer]

42. Since you mention it, who or what was the cause of the WV disaster?

Not Bush himself, admittedly, but isn't it possible that the corrupt culture that Bush is King of is somewhat implicated? Profits were more important than safety? Lax enforcement that benefited the owners to the detriment of the workers?

[EFerrari]

44. Well, didn't Bush cut the funding for safety inspections,

appoint a crony to head -- what's the agency, MSHA? -- and allow that agency's policy to become "stop the inspection"?

Amy did a segment on this this morning. Bush didn't but his Cabal did.

[stickdog]

49. Sure. But many of these are nothing more than thoughts floated

for the purposes of further discussion. They were "staunchly defended" by a tiny minority with little to no history as valued researchers and lambasted (and/or completely ignored) by a huge majority.

We now know that we effectively have one branch of government. We know that our President is spying on us illegally and claims (and has so far been given) the right to keep us jailed indefinitely without charges on his "royal" whim. We know that the administration pays shills to broadcast and write "news" both home and abroad. We know that our Vice President is unabashed war profiteer, etc., etc. etc. ...

Under these circumstances, how many accusations are too bizarre to even contemplate?

[RandomKoolzip]

86. It's a 50% success rate, like rolling dice.

DU's tinfoilers come up with some interesting (really quite great, actually) stuff, but immediately discredit themselves when they insist on supernatural nonsense (statues drinking milk...I can dredge this thread up from the archives if you want) and implausible bullshit like weather control and sex rings in the White House holding equal stature with REAL stuff like Plamegate and the wiretapping scandal.

50%.

[bpilgrim]

92. statues drinking milk...

yeah i bet you could dredge up 1 or 2 extreme examples, but thats OUR point.

fyi

peace

[radio4progressives]

112. Answer this Will: Why do those who "Disparage" Coincidence Theorys

seem to immediately jump on the "disparage wagon" at every given opportunity, and without any evidence to support their disparaging claims?

and on a separate matter: (if you care to respond)

Just wondering if you associate yourself with the likes of Chip Berlet's hyperbolic attempts to make David Ray Griffin as a tin foil hat wearing fringe nut, or David Corn's amazing acrobatics in short circuiting Mike Ruppert's too few radio interviews (KPFK and KPFA)in attempt to bring just a few of the hundreds of unanswered questions on 9/11, to the large listening audiences in the Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area signal areas?

[RagingInMiami]

124. If you're referring to my tinfoil post

I never said anything about Bush causing the mining disaster. I speculated whether the bush administration purposely manipulated the media to cause them to lose credibility.

Although I was ridiculed and insulted, I have no shame for thinking outside the box.

[bpilgrim]

26. policies are certainly being called to account for indirect accountability

and an exploitive company that has also exploited the M$M are being spotlighted by DU, as usual.

i thought you knew better :shrug:

better put down that bottle and get to reading the DU :evilgrin:

peace

[MissWaverly]

39. Maybe Bush did CAUSE the mining disaster

By packing regulatory agencies with corporate cronys and minimizing fines for
safety violations. Could be. It's not a silly as it sounds. What would you
rather do, pay thousands to correct unsafe conditions or pay chickenshit
fines for safety violations.

[eridani]

40. Bush fucked with safety rules that could have prevented it

Though is isn't just him--deregulating industry and smashing unions has been the policy of the "haves and have mores" ever since they got Reagan in.

[sweetheart]

57. No, that be mostly wilbur ross

And the management. If we don't see some negligent
homicide trials against those responsible, ^THAT^ would
be the work of *.

read about wilbur ross:
http://brickburner.blogs.com/my_weblog/

[LSK]

82. I dont know, maybe you should ask Steven Griles that one

[baldguy]

25. Those of us with "chapeaux de clinquant de bidon" knew W lied about Iraq.

We knew the 2000 election was stolen.

We knew the unpatriotic "PATRIOT" act was the culmination of the RWs hitlerian dreams.

We've always known that the VRWC was real.

[OzarkDem]

27. I love the translation

:hi:

[Cults4Bush]

33. Ahh yes but the anti-CT people dont believe that, for if they did

that would put them far into the realm of hypocrisy and they wouldn't be that.. would they?

Loved your post btw.

edit: freudian slip

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Because after the 2000 election thievery...ANYTHING was possible/

probable. If they would do what they did in FL., they'd do anything and they have. THAT was the plan. They decided if they got away with stealing an election, they were good to go on whatever their corrupt asses wanted to do. We all knew what happened in 2000 and whatever happened after that was :tinfoilhat: material.

[redacted]

43. Revenge of the Tinfoil Hatters

[lies and propaganda]

45. Pat on the back to us.

let the naysayers thank us later.

Its not a theory if there are countless facts attached to it.:toast: :toast:

[Pachamama]

46. 2 yrs ago - friends & family thought I had a "wild imagination". Now, they

come to me for advice and information....

Guess us "Tinfoil Hatters" are not so crazy after all, eh? :hi:

All I know is that I have learned and seen more theorizing on this website and then the theories and speculations end up being proven to be accurate....and often, it seems that our "tinfoil hat speculations" end up being on the tame side compared to what the actual truth turns out to being....

[AnneD]

109. As the regime progress....

my skeptical family has pretty much stopped talking me down when I talk politics-I have a better track record. We went though the Ghandi thing...first they laugh at you then they hate you...etc. I think I am approaching the then you win stage.
I didn't know about tin foil hats until Signs....but I correctly postulated al quida, no SH/al quida connection, no WMD, Plame outing/and still think Rove will be indicted, and the 2000 stolen election. At that point I joined DU and am greatful for the brainstorming that goes on here.
We are at/approaching what I think is the nadir of our Democracy. I can only pray that we can survive. Thank God for foil hats.

[Pachamama]

125. Hello Sister Tinfoiler in Houston!

:tinfoilhat:

Its sometimes one of those things that when we are in this role, you can be feared, hated and loved all at the same time....I think ultimately in the end, we do "win" and unfortunately, I think there is a really ugly time before that and that's where we are approaching now...

Glad you joined the DU....its important for us to have these Brainstormings and glad to know we have you all down in Texas to hopefully bring your state back to the greatness it once had, not this black plague that seems to have seeped out of Texas such as the likes of Tom Delay, George Bush and others.

:hi:

[DarkTirade]

47. The Onion was right too.

Scary, huh.

[stickdog]

51. Damn Straight. The Onion is a regular Nostradumbass

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'

January 17, 2001 | Issue 37•01

WASHINGTON, DC–Mere days from assuming the presidency and closing the door on eight years of Bill Clinton, president-elect George W. Bush assured the nation in a televised address Tuesday that "our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."



President-elect Bush vows that "together, we can put the triumphs of the recent past behind us."

"My fellow Americans," Bush said, "at long last, we have reached the end of the dark period in American history that will come to be known as the Clinton Era, eight long years characterized by unprecedented economic expansion, a sharp decrease in crime, and sustained peace overseas. The time has come to put all of that behind us."

Bush swore to do "everything in {his} power" to undo the damage wrought by Clinton's two terms in office, including selling off the national parks to developers, going into massive debt to develop expensive and impractical weapons technologies, and passing sweeping budget cuts that drive the mentally ill out of hospitals and onto the street. During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.

"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"

...

On the economic side, Bush vowed to bring back economic stagnation by implementing substantial tax cuts, which would lead to a recession, which would necessitate a tax hike, which would lead to a drop in consumer spending, which would lead to layoffs, which would deepen the recession even further.

[dogday]

50. Why is it so hard to believe the tinfoil people?

History has shown us that many beliefs, and ideas were found, while the consensus told them there was no such thing and ridiculed them for thinking so. All these years and we still believe the earth is flat....

[Silverhair]

56. Do you believe that Bush caused the tsunami - as a distraction story? NT

[dogday]

102. No, me thinks Bush has some incredible freaking luck

but there are other CTs out there that I do believe and as another poster pointed out, with the Bush administration, we keep our tin foil hats on, we have to. Because the truth is hidden from us on a day in and day out basis, we believe the worst.

[Silverhair]

52. Really? How about these:

A secretly planted A-bomb on the ocean floor caused the earthquake that caused the tsunami.

Bombing in Afganistan caused the earthquake there.

Bird flu was bio-engineered by the US Military as a plot to kill brown people.

Bird flu is not a problem, the scare over it is a plot by Rove to distract people.

AIDS was bio-engineered by the US Military to kill brown people.

The recent mine disaster was a Bush plot.

The last notes that the miners wrote were actually written by the company and planted on the miners.

No plane hit the Pentagon.

No planes hit the WTC buildings.

Secret UFO technology was used for 9-11. (That one wasn't a thread by itself. It was a post in a 9-11 thread.)

HAARP is an evil gov't plot.

Chemtrails.

The levees in NOLA were bombed. (There is video from a power station of the water overtopping and causing the worst of the breaches, but that doesn't stop the conspiracy kooks.)

Bush had weather modification planes build up, and steer Katrina to hit NOLA.

Bush sent weather modification planes into Katrina to carve huge swastikas in the storm. (Yes, that was actually posted by a CTer in somebody else's levee bomb thread.)

Poppy Bush had JFK killed for nefarious CIA related reasons.

---------------------

That's a few quick ones that I remember seeing around here. Now tell me again about how correct the CTer's wildest specualtions have been.

[dogday]

54. Yes you have to weed through the crap to

get to the good stuff. For every thousand conspiracies, there is probably one truth. How important is it to get to that one truth? Conspiracies are beliefs yet to be proved, some are worth considering, while most are worth nothing.

[Silverhair]

55. Please notice what the OP said:

"How is it that even our wildest postulations..somehow turn up in the Media years later."

The OP is saying that ALL the CTs are true. If the OP is going to claim that, then they have to defend the CTs that I have listed, or withdraw the statement to a few CT have merit but most are garbage.

[dogday]

58. I don't read it that way

honestly don't see that the referenced statement refers to all conspiracies. Just some or even most, but all. I don't see the meaning....

[Silverhair]

59. "even our wildest postulations" is a rather extreme statement.

It is all inclusive. It covers ALL postulaitons, without exceptions. Perhaps you may want to refamiliarize yourself with the meaning of the "est" suffix in the English language. It is used to mean the greatest extreme. "Even" in this case would mean to INCLUDE the "wildest postualtions" as among those that were later shown as true.

So I listed some of the wilder postulations. So the OP must either defend them, or back off from the statement if the OP is intellectually honest. More likely, the OP will ignore the proof that I have given their statement is false.

[dogday]

67. Must be nice to be so

intelligent that yours is the only opinion that counts. Should it not say all our wildest postulations to be all inclusive? Wildest means the ones that are really far reaching and does not include those postulations that may have less than a "wildest" tag applied to their meaning....

[Silverhair]

70. In writing, one takes words at their regular meaning, unless the context..

...dictates otherwise. There was no altering context, therefore I took "est" to mean what a dictionary would say it meant - the most extreme.

If the OP meant something else, then they should have said something else.

Or perhaps you have your own dictionary that is different from the standard ones.

[dogday]

99. I have a pocket Oxford Dictionary

so I decided to look up the suffix est. Here is the definition:

-est suffix forming the superlative of adjectives (widest; nicest; happiest) and adverbs (soonest).


superlative —adj. 1 of the highest quality or degree; excellent. 2 Gram. (of an adjective or adverb) expressing the highest degree of a quality (e.g. bravest, most fiercely). —n. 1 Gram. superlative form of an adjective or adverb. 2 (in pl.) high praise; exaggerated language.



It is not the dictionary that is the problem, it is your understanding of the poster's intentions of the post. I see quality or degree of tin foil hat theories, however, I do not see quantity in this description...

[Silverhair]

106. So if you were told a building was the world's HIGHEST, would you

expect to find another higher? If you were told a spot in the ocean was the DEEPEST on the planet, would you except to find another deeper? So with the word "wildest" does that not encompass ALL conspiracy theories? But suddenly you are saying that the suffix "est" does not mean the most extreme in when used as "wildest theories"?

[HeeBGBz]

114. It is NOT all inclusive

I don't see how you get that. I see it as some, not all.

[Zodiak]

115. I think the above poster is splitting hairs

I still do not understand why people insist on using their intelligence as a hammer to pound others into submission. I suppose it is an indispensible part of human nature.

(when I say "the above poster", I do not mean the person who wrote the post to which I am replying)

[bpilgrim]

72. that doesn't negate the fact that there are conspiracies plotted against

weTHEpeople by our gov and that we are on to them here at DU.

It is true that our gov actively researches weather and earthquake controlling tech for use by our military.

It is true that we have an active BIO WARFARE dept and spend billions on it.

It is TRUE that the OFFICIAL 911 story doesn't hold water.

It is TRUE that our gov has covered up it's role in the JFK assassination.

It is TRUE that the bush crime family has a long history of evil deeds and connection with FASCISM that the M$M ignores for the most part and they derive much of their wealth from the HOLOCAUST.

It is TRUE that our GOV doesn't care about poor people and left them on the streets to die like DOGS for a WEEK.

It is TRUE that our gov is actively spying on us and looking people up with 0 rights.

It is TRUE that our gov has done even WORSE in the past.

It is TRUE that our gov uses rape, murder & TORTURE against men, women and CHILDREN for christs sake to get what they want.

It is TRUE that they have 0 regard for human life with their wanton rain of TERROR abroad.

It is TRUE that we here on DU will do EVERYTHING in our power to expose these criminals for what they are, EVIL.

psst... pass the word ;->


more...
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peace

[stepnw1f]

77. The Effort You Put Into Slamming DU

is almost obsessive...

[WilliamPitt]

96. That was slamming DU?

When did DU become solely a CT forum? I must have missed a memo.

[bpilgrim]

100. slamming DU'ers is slamming DU

DU is nothing but it's members, hello...

when did you start bashing DU's CT'ers, shoot i remember when you used to bragg about being one :eyes:

peace

[Silverhair]

108. I have slammed CTs from day one. NT

[bpilgrim]

121. no kidding

i wasn't talking to you, though

peace

[stickdog]

81. I believe one or the other of these statements to be true.

A) Bird flu has been hyped well out of proportion to its threat.

OR

B) Bird flu has already been engineered to order in some laboratory somewhere.


Furthermore, THERE IS NO CLINICAL EVIDENCE THAT TAMIFLU IS EFFECTIVE AGAINST AVIAN FLU INFECTIONS IN HUMANS. None whatsoever.

[WilliamPitt]

95. Don't forget that Bush Sr. had Hinckley shoot Reagan

Always a fan favorite.

[bpilgrim]

101. thats ment to distract from the truth - he was associated with bush

and with mkultra being a true story how do you know for sure?

i am not saying i believe that to be true but i am willing to admit i really don't know and that it certainly could be possible considering the cia & bush crime family history.

what you got the inside 'dope' now?

peace

[Norquist Nemesis]

62. I'm still waiting for my husband to say...

"I guess you were right" about a few items that started heated arguments. *tapping foot*

[goclark]

74. How anyone could function in Bush World without a tin

hat is beyond me.


These clowns are not to be believed about anything!


Today I heard that GHWB called his son and told him that he must stop listening to those neo con people!

Think Tweety said that, trying to make us think that Poppy was mad at his son.

Anyone GW knows was blessed by his father and fincanced by his father!

I wear my tin hat proudly.

[pauldp]

79. Is there any doubt that these assholes are conspiring 24/7?

Of course the Rove butt boys are hard at work trying to spread dis info so everyone dismisses legitimate questions about
911, Iraq etc.

[progressoid]

80. 2 + 2 = cupcake

If enough "theories" are laid out, eventually one or two may turn out to be correct.

[stickdog]

83. Yep. Here's a start for ya ...

The following are the parts of known history which have led people (see references) to make further claims (see allegations above).

* Businesses associated with Prescott Bush, such as the Union Banking Corporation, were confiscated just prior to World War II under the Trading With the Enemy Act.

* George H.W. Bush, Prescott Bush, and George W. Bush were members of the Skull and Bones secret society, along with John Kerry. (Bush's membership in the Skull and Bones society was the subject of several Doonesbury cartoons.)

* George H.W. Bush was head of the Central Intelligence Agency in 1976-77.

* Ronald Reagan's would-be assassin John Hinckley Jr is the son of one of George H.W. Bush's better supporters in his campaign against Reagan; the Hinckleys' Vanderbilt Energy was threatened with a $2-million fine the morning of the assassination attempt; Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had a dinner appointment for the next day.<8> Lastly, the Secret Service were inordinately slow in delivering Reagan to a hospital, claiming they got lost in their own capital.

* George W. Bush has sealed the presidential records of both himself and his father.

* Saddam Hussein, was provided with weapons and funding during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, during the Reagan administration, in which George H.W. Bush was Vice President. In addition, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush was the Special Envoy to the Middle East in this period, appointed by President Ronald Reagan and met personally with Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.

* Dick Cheney was G.H.W. Bush's Defense Secretary, and G.W. Bush's Vice-President. Cheney is the former President and CEO of Halliburton Company which has been given, by George W. Bush, an exclusive (and unbidded) contract in postwar Iraq. In addition, Halliburton's accounting firm was Arthur Andersen. This latter firm was convicted of obstruction of justice and, allegedly, committed fraud.

* The Carlyle Group is an investment group which includes members of the Bush family and the bin Laden family (one of the richest in Saudi Arabia). George H. W. Bush and bin Ladens were at a Carlyle meeting in a DC hotel the morning of 9/11. While private flights were grounded after 9/11, permission was granted to fly several bin Ladens to a gathering location. They left the U.S. before air traffic resumed. In total, four planes were allowed to leave the U.S. with Saudi citizens when the American airspace was closed. <9>

* George W. Bush and Salem bin Laden were coinvestors/business partners in Arbusto Energy.

* The 2000 Presidential Election was won by George W. Bush in Florida, whose governor was his brother, Jeb Bush, after a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court. The court decision was divided 5-4, with all of the justices voting in favor of Bush having ties to the earlier Reagan and Bush administrations.

* During Election Night of the 2000 Presidential Election, John Prescott Ellis, a full cousin of George W. Bush, was a consultant to Fox News, analyzing data from the Voter News Service. He regularly contacted Jeb and George Bush by phone that evening.

* The Project for the New American Century, which in 1990s advocated the invasion of Iraq for reasons of geopolitical strategy, included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle,and John R. Bolton all of whom subsequently held influential positions in the Bush administration.

* The Bush administration does not accept the International Criminal Court's authority over American citizens, and members of the administration have questioned the usefulness of the United Nations. George W. Bush appointed John R. Bolton to a recess appointment as Ambassador to the United Nations even though Mr. Bolton had previously made disparaging remarks about the U.N.<10>

* The George W. Bush administration pushed for the USA PATRIOT Act and has used the new powers in a variety of cases.

* George W. Bush, during the 2003 State of the Union Address, said that British intelligence had learned Iraq had been attempting to purchase uranium from Africa. That claim was based on information which the CIA said it could not verify, and CIA head George Tenet accepted responsibility for failing to remove the assertion from the speech in the fact-checking stage. An earlier document specifically documenting a supposed buy from Niger was known to be a forgery and was not referred to in any Bush speech.

* Bush, as governor of Texas, presided over the execution of hundreds of condemned criminals, and joked about some of them prior to and after their executions.

* George W. Bush has made remarks suggesting that he saw footage of the first 9/11 impact on network television, even though that crash was not broadcast until hours later<11>.

* Bush plans to have nuclear waste stored at the volcanic Yucca Mountain facility.

* Bush has made the following statements:

o "I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." December 18, 2000, <12> <13>

o Answering a repeated reporter question about the anti-Bush gwbush.com, "But how far should these guys go?", Bush replied "There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of the site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is. Of course I don't appreciate it. And you wouldn't, either." May 21, 1999 <14> <15>

* When the White House had released a copy of a National Guard Bureau document, Aeronautical Orders Number 87, September 29, 1972, they inked out James R. Bath's name (which was revealed by comparing it to a 2000 release of the same document, Bath's name uncensored). The allegation is that the White House was afraid of drawing attention to George W. Bush's relationship with James R. Bath, who managed funds for members of the Bin Laden family, and was the Director of BCCI.

[cascadiance]

84. Certainly the Valerie Plame incident "tinfoil hatters" were right!

I remember putting that on message boards when the incident was first reported on places like RadioLeft.com, etc. and the mainstream media wasn't touching it. People were calling the idea that it might have been someone in the administration doing this outing crazy. Maybe it was crazy, but I daresay, it looks to be right!

[SidDithers]

89. Change "somehow" to "sometime" and you're bang on!...

As for wildest postulations, I'm still waiting for Underground Nuclear Devices caused the Tsunami Earthquake headline in the New York Times.

Sid

[bpilgrim]

93. this is hugh!?!

i'm ser1es!!@#$

peace

[democracyindanger]

98. No, no, no--it was caused by a sonic weapon the Navy has

[Wordie]

90. Try this:

The government spying started BEFORE 9/11!!! (article in Slate)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=recent_posts

All speculation about bad stuff isn't "conspiracy theory" imho. The very thing about a "theory" is that it requires investigation to find out if it's hypothesis is true, or not. Without some groundswell of interest, such stories don't get vetted properly. If that investigation is halted, due to cries of "conspiracy theory!!!" we all lose out, because we often need the interest such stories generate to encourage people to actually do the necessary investigation.

I also agree with the poster upthread who pointed out that people in power have always engaged in conspiracies - to consolodate or increase their power, to achieve their aims, etc. It's the old "power corrupts" thingie. To assume that people who have power do not occasionally use it for their own purposes (which is something they would naturally want to hide, hence the "secrecy" part) seems truly naive. I'm not saying that all people in power misuse that power, but there certainly is the temptation, and some aren't going to be able to resist that temptation. Human nature is all it really is.

Those are my thoughts, anyway. Not to say that I myself actually believe all the theories (there are many that I find too far out, myself), just that I think they ought not to be squelched, if only to ultimately be able to say yea or nea to them, on the basis of a thorough investigation.

[LittleClarkie]

94. Well, as I postulated in a different thread

there are theories and then there are theories. We need a different term than "tinfoil" or "conspiracy theory" for those postulations that are based on research and fact, with some speculation to connect the dots.

As opposed to "someone beamed microwaves at Wellstone's plan" or "Skull and Bones!" or "The hurricanes are happening on purpose!"

Calling some theories "conspiracy theories" does them a disservice.

[stickdog]

103. As opposed to "19 random Arabs led by a billionaire on a dialysis machine

in a cave halfway around the world subverted a $600 billion a year mil-intel complex for over two full hours all by themselves" or "Wellstone's plane went down because 2 experienced pilots completely forgot to check the plane's direction, airspeed and altitude over a 90 second period while coming in for a landing"?

Right?

[LittleClarkie]

104. Not saying that something didn't happen to Wellstone

but whatever it was, it wasn't somebody beeming microwaves at the plane. Theories like that will only make the truth sound like just another conspiracy theory.

How about "speculative research" instead of "conspiracy theory".

Or do you think that Dick Cheney has a weather machine with which he commands the hurricanes.

[stickdog]

105. Does Scientific American have a reputation for wild-eyed craziness?

http://sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa004&articleID=00000CB6-18E9-1E4D-967D809EC588EEDF

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-1E51-A98A809EC5880105

How about CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/03/02/new.weapon.02/

USA Today?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-07-24-nonlethal-weapons_x.htm

CNET news:

http://news.com.com/2300-1008_3-5796825-3.html



Incapacitation of the landing pilots for a short period was all that was needed.

[AnneD]

110. No weather machine needed....

I suspect he (Cheney) trades sexual favors with Satan for that (and many other requests), but the photos didn't turn out. It is hush hush because Lynn doesn't know about it.;)

[nomatrix]

123. I agree. Intuition might be a better explanation.

"What is intuition? The dictionary defines it as, “The faculty of knowing as if by instinct, without conscious reasoning.”
It is a sense of knowing without knowing how you know.
Intuition is the small, quiet voice so often drowned out by the other, more insistent noises inside and out.
It is the voice that advises us and to which we often say later, “if only I had listened.-
Francesca McCartney

Here is an example:

"NEW YORK -- When the first jet struck 1 World Trade Center at 8:48 a.m. Tuesday, the people in 2 World Trade Center with a view of the instant inferno across the divide had the clearest sense of what they, too, must do: Get out fast."
-snip-
"Among the fortunate of those was Arturo Domingo of Morgan Stanley. The descent had been calm and orderly, much better than after the 1993 blast, he said. But when he reached the 44th floor, he said, a man with a megaphone told people there was no problem.
"His exact words were, "Our building is secure. You can go back to your floor. If you're a little winded, you can get a drink of water or coffee in the cafeteria,' " said Domingo. He and a group of other Morgan Stanley employees rode an elevator back up to the 60th floor and returned to their desks. "How stupid were we," he says."

http://www.sptimes.com/News/091301/Worldandnation/Decision_to_stay_doom.shtml

Sometimes it can save your life.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

120. Ahem, Ahem...

Check out my garb. :)