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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:10 PM
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20th Century Genocides:
(People may well disagree about some of the points (genocide/war?) - but it's interesting to see in some perspective)

Chart is easier to read @ http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69) 49,000,000 ("great leap forward" and "cultural revolution")
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) 13,000,000 (the purges)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians WWII)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghitsu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians
Charles DeGaulle (Algeria, 1954-1962) 1,000,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Suharto (East Timor, 1976-98) 600,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1971) vs Bangladesh 500,000
Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-96) 180,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama bin Laden (worldwide, 1991-2001) 4,000
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala) 2,000
Marcos (Philippines) ?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:43 PM
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1. Stages of Genocide and How To Prevent It (Wikipedia)
According to President of Genocide Watch Gregory Stanton, genocide develops in eight stages that are "predictable but not inexorable":

Stage Characteristics Preventive measures
1.
Classification People are divided into "us and them". "The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend... divisions."
2.
Symbolization "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..." "To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden… as can hate speech".
3.
Dehumanization "Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder." "Hate propaganda should be banned, hate crimes and atrocities should be promptly punished."
4.
Organization "Genocide is always organized... Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." "To combat this stage, membership in these militias should be outlawed."
5.
Polarization "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." "Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups..."
6.
Identification "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..." "At this stage, a Genocide Alert must be called..."
7.
Extermination "It is "extermination" to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human." "At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection."
8.
Denial "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..." "The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Stages_of_genocide_and_efforts_to_prevent_it
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:57 AM
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9. Looks like America has reached stage 6 in it's
attitude towards undocumented workers from Central America.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:44 PM
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2. George Bush and the US Military. New addition.
Wonder when they will finally get a note on this list.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:49 PM
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5. Esp. since
the person put Osama Bin Laden on there - with 9/11 in mind - I'm supposing.


At any rate - one might say that Bush should be on the new list for the 21st (New American) Century.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:44 PM
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3. Bush
100,000 over Iraqies women and children
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:46 PM
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4. Let's face it.

Clinton didn't do the Iraqi's any favor.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:55 AM
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6. Well
he might be over zealous on the UN resolution
That is for UN to resolve

Saddam did invade Kuwait
So heck what can one say
Clinton did not break any international law
US did try to use UN resolution to its advantage

Sadly Bush did break international law
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the Daimyo Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:33 AM
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7. US only responsible for 100,000 deaths in vietnam????
the number of casualties inflicted on southeast asia by the US is off by about 2 million, and that's even assuming the US was only responsible for about half of the post 1954 deaths. The bombing campaigns that were conducted against the north (excluding those bombs dropped on south vietnam and cambodia) killed 500,000 alone. Then again what can you expect from a list that doesn't include argentina under the Junta, Somoza, Salazar, or Trujillo, and gives only question marks for Mobutu, and Marcos. I guess US puppets don't count as mass murderers. typical.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:51 AM
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8. On top of that
There's utter silliness like including Osama on a list of twentieth century genocides. Whoever thought that should be on the list was either smoking something really bad, or smoking something really good.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:13 PM
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11. Re: Vietnam - The composer has a different war list
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 01:14 PM by bloom
with "1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million) " http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html

So I guess he was trying to distinguish between war and genocide deaths (not necessarily that I agree with his assessment).
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