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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:52 PM
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Win98, SE & ME Users and the WMF Security Vunerability Issue
OK - I know you're tired of me and the Windows crap, but some users might need this, so please bare with me.

Next, and I don't mean to sound catty, but could we keep this thread as unaccusatory as possible? By that I mean, no statements like; "Get a Mac" or "Linux is better", etc.?

Some of us simply can't afford to upgrade in any form, and this information is for them, even if they may be in better shape than the rest of us were. {Note: The OFFICIAL MS patch is NOW available for the rest of us. - Go GET IT installed!}

I'm no computer geek by any means, so I can only share what I've learned. Please feel free to input any information you have that will help benefit users of Windows98, Windows 98 SE, or Windows ME.

First, this is what Microsoft says:
(Click the General Information/FAQ link)

Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition critically affected by one or more of the vulnerabilities that are addressed in this security bulletin?

No. Although Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Edition do contain the affected component, the vulnerability is not critical because an exploitable attack vector has not been identified that would yield a Critical severity rating for these versions. For more information about severity ratings, visit the following Web site.


In perusing the new http://castlecops.com/f212-Hexblog.html">Ilfak Guilfanov Forum/Blog the How about win98 thread shares http://blog.ziffdavis.com/seltzer/archive/2006/01/03/39684.aspx">this article:

I have been testing a lot tonight and it appears to me that iDEFENSE is right: In a practical sense, only Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 (in all their service pack levels) are vulnerable to the WMF flaw. Here's why.

It is true, as F-Secure says, that all versions of Windows back to 3.0 have the vulnerability in GDI32. But most versions of Windows are not quite as vulnerable as they appear. Except for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, no Windows versions, in their default configuration, have a default association for WMF files, and none of their Paint programs or any other standard programs installed with them can read WMF files. One ironic point to conclude is that not until their most recent operating system versions did Microsoft include a default handler - the Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - for what has been, for years, an obsolete file format. And now it comes back to bite them.

Therefore only consider applying the Guilfanov patch on Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. On other platforms, unless you have installed your own vulnerable default handler for WMF files, the likelihood of compromise even when a system is bombarded with malicious WMFs is low.


A "vunerable default handler" is another program that you've set up to open WMF files, that is not Windows-based. Some commentors took issue with his post, and he clarified with the following:

...here's the important point: On any version of Windows you need a program that can load and interpret WMF files in order to be exploited. On Windows XP and Server 2003 this is installed by default and made the default handler for WMF files, and Paint is updated to handle WMFs as well. But on earlier versions of Windows there is no such program installed by default. You would need a third-party program in order to be vulnerable, such as Lotus Notes.


So my conclusion is that if you're still running these older OS's (while you might still be vunerable), it's nowhere near what it is/was for those of us on a more up-dated system. Figures, doesn't it?

Anyway, without getting too long-winded here, visit Ilfak's forum occasionally (link above), because it seems to me I read that he was going to work on a hotfix for the older OS's anyway.

Also, keep tabs over at Steve Gibson's GRC site.

Finally, keep up your safe-computing practices. I don't think I need to go over what they are.

Happy computing DU'ers!

:yourock:
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:55 PM
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1. Actually there is a patch for older versions of Windows
Anti-virus manufacturer Esset has released one. Details in article.
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/48957/48957.html
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:02 AM
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3. Cool - thanks
I'll check it out. - OK, I just did - sorta. LOL

I don't know who Eset is, but then again I didn't know who Ilfak was either, before all this sh*t hit the fan.

If anyone is concerned about this patch for the older systems and wants to verify it, try posting an inquiry over at Ilfak's forum, or maybe someone here can vouch for Eset. I don't have an older system to try it out on, and even if I did, I wouldn't know what to look for.

Thanks salvorhardin for the catch!
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:32 AM
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8. Okie dokie - I'm vouching for them
and if I recall correctly, our very own Garbo 2004 vouched for them as well in one of my two threads on this WMF subject.

From your link salvorhardin:

Cross-platform antivirus maker Eset released its own unofficial patch (Zip file) that is supposed to work on all versions of Windows, including Windows 9x, Windows ME, and Windows NT. The patch is linked at Eset's Web site.


Please note that this patch is apparently endorsed by Windows IT Pro magazine, otherwise I doubt they would have linked to them. And when you link to Eset's site itself (plus Garbo's support] you'll see it's on the up and up.

Remember, as with any patch you install, there is ALWAYS a risk, even from Microsoft or any other reputable company. I just hope you'll keep that in mind.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:59 PM
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2. Sometimes, as a Macintosh user, I feel left out...
All these exciting viruses, worms, exploits, and trojan horses. Wow! The stuff of high drama! International hackers rings from Eastern Europe, associated with the Russian Mob! National Security compromises! And even the more mundane searching for a driver that works with your hardware... I get none of that, and it is, well, sort of boring.

:evilgrin:
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:05 AM
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5. ROFL!!
Wanna switch computers with me when Windows stops supporting my XP at the end of the year? PM me and we'll make arrangements.

;)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:23 AM
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7. They are gonna stop supporting XP???
I thought that was the most current OS???
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:39 AM
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10. As of 12-31-06
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 12:49 AM by Terre
Pretty crappy huh? Apparently it won't be the most current OS when they come out with their new one at the end of the year.

Anyway, that's what I've heard on at least one post over at DailyKos, and I've no reason to disbelieve the poster.

Here's antirove's comment. It's a bit long with a few links included, so I'll just post to his/her comment:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/1/5/184540/3256/6#6

sheesh
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:12 AM
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15. Impossible - MS won't stop supporting XP with the intro of...
...Vista. Hell, they're still supporting NT 4.0, and that opsys is 10 years old.
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:29 AM
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19. Not so impossible
The link I provided to the dKos comment had other links to support his claim of discontinued security updates after 12/31/06. This is from the first one I read:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060103-5891.html

When that day comes (1/01/07), XP Home users may feel left out in the cold, because they will no longer qualify for security updates, and will not be able to purchase support from Microsoft. Finding this situation somewhat alarming, I contacted Microsoft's representation to clarify the matter. A Microsoft spokesman relayed the following to me:

"For consumer products, security updates will be available through the end of the mainstream phase. For Windows XP Home Edition, there will be no security updates after 12/31/06." Regarding paid support for problems unrelated to security patches, I was told that "Users who want to continue to receive support after the Microsoft assisted and paid support offerings have ended may visit the Retired Product Support Options Web site."


I urge Microsoft to reconsider this stance. There should be considerably more overlap in support for their consumer OS. While five years of support for XP Home may have seemed reasonable when it was expected that there would be little more than three years between major OS updates, the time it has taken to bake Windows Vista has thrown this out entirely. If Vista launches in October, it would give users a mere two months to move to the OS, or risk being unsupported.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:46 AM
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23. Wow, the word "assholes" comes to mind.
What a terrible customer service idea.

This will drive people to Linux and Macs!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:16 AM
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11. You like excitement???!!!
Go getcherself a nice book of astronomical charts and calculations. You'll find it to be endless fun. Right up yer alley! What's up with astronomer-types and their MACs? NO, do NOT tell me!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:09 AM
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14. I'll tell you!
Starry Night Pro! Great "planetarium" software.
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hamerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:36 AM
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16. Starry Night pro?
(Apologizing for being off-topic)
I have Starry Night Bundle Edition 2.1, did not know there was a Pro edition out there. Will go look for it as the one I have is great. Very nice stuff. Thanks,
dumpbush
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:43 AM
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22. Pro was an older product...
I think the bundled edition does it all now.

Nice thing about a Mac is that you can run most things that you got years and years ago. I still have a game from 1984 I play.
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:03 AM
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4. :- )
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:16 AM
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6. Thanks Nomad
This thread was mainly directed at Win9x, SE & ME users. :)
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:34 AM
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9. Put on your thinking
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 12:35 AM by raysr
cap and move to Linux. It's not that hard. I did it 3 years ago and I'm no computer programmer! This is how Gates will market his new system and drive all the old versions off the net.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:19 AM
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12. Thanks for this info
Now I can finally get husband's old '98 clunker up-to-date on this.

(I whacked :spank: Ben for ya.)
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:36 AM
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13. LOL!
Thanks for helping out on Ben, but you forgot raysr...

Here ya go ray  :spank:
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:57 AM
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17. Here is the catch...
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 06:59 AM by Opposite Reaction

Except for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, no Windows versions, in their default configuration, have a default association for WMF files...




Now, what sort of non-default image viewer do you have? I have ACDSee, and it displays WMF files juuust fine. I also have WinME. That means I am vulnerable.

One may want to open Start/Control Panel/ Folder Options and click the file associations tab to see if there is a program associated with WMF file types. In my case, I guess I'll get that third party patch mentioned above.

What about EMFs (enhanced metafiles)?

Edit to fix quote
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:21 AM
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18. Patch for Win 98/ME still available at this NOD 32 site in English:
http://www.nod32.ch/en/download/tools.php

Reportedly Microsoft asked ESET USA to remove its link to Paolo Monti's (ESET Italy) patch so as not to potentially conflict with the MS patch. But since MS has not provided a patch for these earlier systems and has not yet asked the overseas ESET affiliates to remove the patch, it's still available.

While these earlier systems have been said to have the underlying system vulnerability, the malware in the wild seemed not to be designed to effectively infect these systems. Which apparently is why MS deigned not to issue a patch for them. (Although recall how MS underplayed the threat to the newer systems, despite proof that active exploits were in the wild.) But considering how many W98 systems are still around worldwide, it's not difficult to figure that the bad guys likely will eventually get around to specifically targeting these older systems.

Additionally, Steve Gibson at GRC.com apparently has said that if he confirms for himself the vulnerability of these older systems he will develop a patch for them. (See Terre's link to his site in the first post above). So that may eventually be another option.

And for fun, eweek article where SANS takes MS to task for not taking the threat seriously:

Johannes Ullrich, chief technology officer at the SANS ISC (Internet Storm Center), remained critical of Microsoft's handling of the issue. "We've been working with them all week, feeding them exploits, trying to convince them that this is a very high-risk threat that was growing worse everyday, but they just weren't getting it," Ullrich said in an interview with eWEEK...

...Ullrich said the ISC provided blow-by-blow evidence to Microsoft that legitimate, high-traffic Web sites were being used to deliver the exploits without any user interaction.

Knoppix STD, which delivers a collection of Linux-based security tools, was hijacked by malicious hackers and redirected to a site serving up rigged WMF images, Ullrich said.

"A lot of law enforcement people got infected and it look a long time to get that site shut down. Microsoft knew this all along," Ullrich said. "Even today, they are claiming that user interaction is required, but they know otherwise."

"We sent them screenshots just today, showing them step by step how the exploit worked without any interaction. It took so long to get this through to them. We were convinced it was more serious than they were letting on and that's why we made such a big deal out of it," Ullrich said. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1908393,00.asp
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:35 AM
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21. Microsoft's Katrina response
Jerks.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:30 AM
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20. Thanks Terre - I use Win98, XP and OS X - so very helpful to me EOM
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 04:00 PM
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24. kick
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