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DemoVet Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:18 AM
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The World Trade Centers were Bush's Reichstag fire
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:20 AM
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1. Yes.
And?
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:21 AM
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2. What do you mean ?
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:26 AM
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6. Here ya go
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:50 AM
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15.  I'm familiar with the Reichstag fire---I just couldn't see the tie
in to WTC. I still don't.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:56 AM
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17. Think "opportunity".
The Reichstag fire was an opportunity to be used by Hitler to get the Enabling Act passed.
Bush used/is using the events of 9/11 to get the Patriot Act passed.
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InaneAnanity Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:26 AM
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7. it means...
Just like Hitler did with the Reichstagg, Bush knew the buildings were coming down and either made it or let it happen, in order to further his ideal of war with Iraq and a police state here at home.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:51 AM
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16.  And you really believe that?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:45 AM
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19. There are a lot of dots .... /nt
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:01 AM
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20. It isn't a "belief" it is a fact.
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 02:10 AM by Beam Me Up
On 9/11, everyone was shocked that the things that happened that day COULD happen. Not just the fact of the attacks, but the way they happened and the overwhelming spectacle of it as it was broad cast: "American Under Attack" (tm), pretty much 24/7 for a week or more.

Once the story explaining the otherwise inexplicable was firmly planted in our brains, along with all the--"we had no idea, bla bla bla" denial--It has all been pretty much, lets get over it and move on now and not look too closely at what actually happened. Well, simple fact of the matter is, the official story is IMPOSSIBLE. It is as impossible as money growing on trees. The simple and obvious physical facts, especially in regard to the collapses of buildings 1, 2 and 7 of the WTC, is they could not possibly happened as they did WITHOUT the additional energy and heat derived from explosives. And yet, as we all know, explosives are not a subject that is IN the official story. Therefore the official story is false.

Now, what the truth is, that is something none of us know but that isn't the point. The point is, we were told a very large lie about what happened on 9/11 and that lie has been accepted hook line and sinker by the American people, corporate media, and large segments of the government. Nevertheless, the reality is very simple and a lot more people know the truth than let on. They have to because their intelligence resources are far superior to those of us out here on the internet and WE know it for a fact: Steel structures do not collapse into neatly sized chunks of metal (sized to fit onto flatbed 18 wheelers) AND tons of very fine dust as a consequence of fire alone. It is simply physically impossible.

You see, threads like this end up in the "9/11 Dungeon" (we call it) because there is much arguing back and forth among some about the details and what I am calling facts. The DU administrators have decided this is a distraction and have made it policy to move threads that detour in that direction. So, given that, I can't go far into any of these details here. If you are interested you can search out the evidence for yourself. If you choose to do that you will see there is argument about the specifics and ultimately it is up to us to decide which argument is the most persuasive, what, to us seems to be most true based on how we believe the universe actually works. I live in a universe where large high rise buildings are very strong; capable of withstanding great wind forces; designed to prevent fires from spreading from floor to floor; designed with sprinkler systems to put out fires; designed (as the towers were) to withstand the impact of even very large commercial airliners--designed, in other words, to NOT do what in fact they obviously did. It takes a lot of energy to cut 27 core-steel columns into 30' lengths. It takes a lot of energy to turn almost everything else (concrete, sheetrock, aluminum, furnishings, glass, computers, people) into very fine dust. Much more energy than could be found in the potential energy of the weight of the structure acted upon by gravity during a collapse. If a building such as WTC 1, 2 and 7 COULD collapse (not at all easy under any circumstances) the collapse would not look at all like what we saw on 9/11. What we saw on 9/11 was a DEMOLITION. We have evidence, strong, physical evidence, that explosive charges blew out both at the base of the towers (five basements down) before they collapsed and again all along within the structures as they came down, timed very precisely to 'look' like they simply 'fell'. That is what we were TOLD happened--and subsequently most everyone has believed what they were told. It is impossible. Many have believed it because they didn't know what ELSE to think.

We have come to a turning point in our history as a nation--indeed our history as a civilization and as a species. We are being presented with evidence of a crime of state of mythical proportions with strategic consequences. This is right up there with Nero fiddling while Rome burned--that is, a story that human beings will tell down through history for thousands of years to come. As people of this nation, as informed and rational citizens of a 'free' world, as human beings on this magnificent planet (that our leaders so little respect), we are being confronted with a very graphic and poignant choice: Either we break free from our denial and grasp the FULL IMPLICATIONS of the impossibility of the 9/11 story we've been told--the 9/11 LIE--or we remain mental and emotional slaves to a corrupted political and economic system that has no respect whatever for either life, liberty or anything approaching civilized law and order.

This is what we are faced with. Bush said it, you are either with US or you are with the terrorists. What I want to know is, who ARE the terrorists? Whatever role bin Laden or al Qaeda played in 9/11, it had nothing to do with the demolition of 3 sky scrapers in Manhatten that day--so WHO was responsible for THAT? And who has played accessory to mass murder and treason after the fact?

I don't know, but given the five year track record it sure doesn't look good for our government and the media that broadcasts them to us, now, does it?

Edit: minor changes and corrections
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:22 AM
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3. Could also be his Achilles heel--not only his, the entire oligarchy that
paid for it.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:30 AM
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9. Hey, Beam Me Up...
I like your avatar! I picked me up the 20" iSight Mac about a month ago. I never thought I could love a computer so much!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:22 AM
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18. Yeah. I'm pretty happy with it myself!
Amaziing 'little' machine, eh?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:26 AM
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4. Agreed
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:26 AM
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5. We're not allowed to.
:(
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:32 AM
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10. Here's the deal
If the topic is about how Bush used Sep 11th to his own ends, it can stay in GD. If the topic focuses on the subject of Sep 11th itself, or the WTC it goes in the Sep 11th forum.

:hi:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:29 AM
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8. Ein Trifecta!
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DemoVet Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:32 AM
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11. I mean that, like Hitler, he used it to play the German's fears
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 12:35 AM by DemoVet
and make the Nazi Party the guarantor of their safety, at the cost of their civil rights. Sounds familiar, doesn't it (though I don't think that Bush was complicit in the attacks, just too clueless to prevent them. I guess he found "My Pet Goat" to be more entertaining reading than a briefing entitled "Osama wants to really, really f**k us up. Really")
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:38 AM
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14. were the SS reading my pet goat, too?
SOP calls for him to be whisked away from public places while we are under attack.

his 0 reaction to the news is the TELL, we can't say how we would have reacted in his shoes, we just all know we did.

but it doesn't matter it has had the same effect as hitlers as yu stated.

peace
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:34 AM
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12. YES. n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:35 AM
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13. Bingo
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 12:35 AM by FreedomAngel82
And while at it I recommend "Night" by Elie Wiesel.
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