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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:37 AM
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Robert Novak: House Democrats have major problem with Pelosi

http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Robert+Novak%3A+House+Democrats+have+major+problem+with+Minority+Leader+Nancy+Pelosi&articleId=642d85bc-6ac0-45d1-96d1-3b07a50ccfa0

Robert Novak: House Democrats have major problem with Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi

HOUSE MINORITY Leader Nancy Pelosi had just finished a typically discursive floor speech shortly before the year-end adjournment when a very liberal member approached her second-in-command, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, and whispered in his ear: “Steny, is it not time for a coup?”

It obviously was not time to oust Pelosi and replace her with Hoyer. House Democrats do not get rid of their leaders with coups, as Republicans have during the last half-century. Nevertheless, dissatisfaction with Pelosi’s performance is pervasive across the ideological spectrum. Her colleagues grumble that under her leadership, the party lacks focus and a clear agenda necessary to take advantage of Republican disarray.

This deficiency is referred to by some House Democrats as “the Nancy problem,” but it really transcends failings of their party leader. They remain tied to obsolete practices that freeze in place aged committee leaders. Their rhetoric betrays inability to free themselves from New Deal tax-and-spend policies. The Republican majority looks divided, out of gas and threatened by serious scandals. But Democrats fear they are ill-equipped to seize their opportunity.

The Democratic caucus vote that propelled Pelosi to power was cast Oct. 10, 2001, when Pelosi defeated Hoyer for party whip, 118 to 95. But the authenticity of that outcome always has been questioned inside the caucus because of the exaggerated influence by Pelosi’s fellow Californians. Thirty of the outsized California delegation’s 31 Democrats voted for Pelosi, some reluctantly. Minus them, Hoyer had a clear edge over Pelosi of 95 to 88.



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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:39 AM
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1. I agree. Pelosi gets Dems to win House in 06 or she should be out.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:39 AM
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2. Take everything Novakula says and flip it around to mean the exact
opposite. It will be much closer to the truth.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:41 AM
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3. Exactly
I've learned that with these people. And I believe Novak why? Shouldn't he be in jail for outing Plame?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:41 AM
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4. Read that this morning and as usual
wrapped my coffee grounds in it...
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:00 AM
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14. I usually use Novakula and other RW moron's articles to pick up my dog's
mistakes. I don't want to my good used coffee touching anything those scumsuckers write.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:42 AM
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5. Note to Robert Novak
Why aren't you in jail yet?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:44 AM
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6. And who would give any credence to Robert Novak
He has lost all respectability as a journalist. He's just another Bush whore.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:57 AM
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13. When did Novak EVER have credibility as a journalist ?
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 12:58 AM by radio4progressives
he's always been a lying spin master - he's playing attack dog - the aim is to demoralize and to confuse.

The goal is to keep the ever right ward shifting "center" post from moving back to the real center, where it belongs!

edited to correct deletion errors.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:44 AM
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7. on the other hand, the House republican leadership
could be looking at some serious jail time ... it appears Mr. Novak failed to mention that in his little article ...

Hastert has been tied to taking money from Turkish nationals and Delay is, well, um, how should i put this, gone !!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:48 AM
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8. And who doesn't have an even greater problem with Robert Novak?
We'll worry about our house, Robbie Boy. You go clean your own closet. I hear it's filthy.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:51 AM
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9. That's bullshit! *unplugs modem and stomps away from computer*.
There is another thread on this story stating that NoFacts is working with Hoyer to undermine Pelosi and move the House Dems to the corporate right.

Fuck this traitorous, rug wearing, glued on eyebrowed bastard.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:54 AM
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11. I know what you mean...
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:55 AM
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12. Yes, Novakula is a traitor
But so is Steny AIPAC Hoyer. That bastard doesn't represent Democrats any more than Bush does.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:51 AM
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10.  Novak? This is the best that Novak can do?
The sick old bastard ought to take that walking stick of his and stick it up his ass.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:11 AM
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15. misogynistic old toad hates the dems
why would he give us good advice?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:19 AM
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16. What is this? Careerism and ambition among DC pols? I'm shocked!!
Is it really newsworthy when some ambitious politician inside a party caucus runs up a trial balloon like this?

Next!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:26 AM
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17. Novak says we have to "free ourselves from New Deal tax and spend
policies..."

What's going to free us, Bob? Republican "spend and spend" policies? Good one!

:rofl:
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:49 AM
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20. I liked that one too.
Clearly he had no grasp of what new deal economics were. Since FDR basically invented deficit spending. We're going to spend a bunch of money to put people to work. And then when the economy recovers we'll cut back on spending. We could do this now, but it won't work until we regulate outsourcing.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:54 AM
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21. Difference between FDR's deficit spending and Junior's:
now the money is going to people who already have it.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:26 AM
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18. Translation: Pelosi frightens us neocons and we want her gone
Nice try, Novakula. It is very obvious from your 'article' that Nancy scares the Cabal or they wouldn't bother having you write this ineffective bile.

Pelosi stays AND she rocks. Deal with it.

Now, climb back into your coffin. The sun could rise at any moment.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:37 AM
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19. maybe something to do with declaring freedom form Foreign oil in 10 years??
as a party platform..??
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dennis00 Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:05 AM
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24. President Pelosi
I've been waiting for this. Because, if the Dems take over the House, Pelosi becomes Speaker. If both Bush and Cheney are taken out, by impeachment or otherwise, Pelosi becomes President. So the Republican children are already starting to ping pebbles at her. I think they are scared.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:56 AM
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22. You mean people actually read novak's leavings?
:shrug: :puke:
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:03 AM
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23. give me Pelosi over Hoyer any day

And you know what kind of 'Democrats' go blabbing to Novak. Why doesn't he just write 'Hoyer told me...' and get it over with.

I don't see a 'problem' with Pelosi and holding off on sucking up to conservative voters- all this whining sounds like the malcontents think it's the 1960s or 1980s all over again. It isn't.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:07 AM
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25. Robert "traitor" Novak
Fuck him.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:29 AM
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26. Republicans terrified Nancy will be President.
Lessee: House goes Dem in 2006 due to excessive Republican indictments.

Cheney is indicted by Fitz just as Bush is impeached.

Hello, President Pelosi!

Never go to Novak as a source of Democratic information. He's a paid disinformation stooge.
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:35 AM
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27. This article needs a photo...
Perhaps one of Novak fellating Rupert Murdoch.
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