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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:31 AM
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Rallies planned against "Islamofacism"
Just was checking some stories on the web and I came across this one, sounds interesting:
"Event to 'unify all Americans behind a common goal'", but what about the poor Islamofascists?


Rallies planned against "Islamofacism"

Event to 'unify all Americans behind common goal'

A California-based activist group is staging rallies across the United States next month to unify Americans behind the "common goal" of opposing terrorist-sponsoring Islamic extremism.

The United American Committee ( http://www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org ) says its Feb. 1 rallies also will serve as platforms to encourage Americans to report to authorities suspected terrorist activities and to show support for U.S. troops serving abroad in the war against terror.

"The purpose of this rally is to unify all Americans behind a common goal and against an enemy that is seeking to destroy values we all hold dearly," said Jesse Petrilla, head of the organization.

"This is not a rally to promote hate, but a rally to promote peace and tolerance and make clear what America stands for," he said, noting Muslims are being encouraged to attend the rallies which, so far, are scheduled in 13 states.

"Republicans, Democrats, pacifists, all ethnicities are urged to march on the day of the event and show their true support for the United States of America," he said.

The main rally will be held at Ground Zero in New York City, site where the twin towers of the World Trade Center fell after being struck by two hijacked airliners Sept. 11, 2001.

"We figured Ground Zero was the main rallying point, but this is an event for all who support America regardless of their faith, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim or any other," said Petrilla. "All are welcome to participate."

UAC says part of the effort to protect the country involved "working to prevent illegal immigration and preventing funding for overseas groups that may ultimately go to helping terrorist movements."

Besides New York, rallies are scheduled in Arkansas, California, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Florida, Texas, Utah and Virginia.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:36 AM
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1. Too many @ssholes will be involved that include ALL Muslims....
I hate fundamentalism of all stripes, but the "nuke Mecca" deserve no audience.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:37 AM
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2. Muslims are invited to attend??? Why???
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 02:59 AM by SoCalDem
So it's easier for y'all to find them when the crowd gets all hopped up and eager to kick some ass? :puke:


reminiscent of another era in a European country.. It ended badly, if I recall :(
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:51 AM
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3. Jesse Petrilla - Freind of Michael "Savage Nation" Savage
Any freind of Michael Savage is a freind of my dingleberries.

http://www.examinethetruth.com/Jesse_Petrilla.htm
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:52 AM
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4. Please explain the term Islamofascists? Do I get a badge if I join?
How is Islam related to fascism? Please defend your post.

Ridiculous, to say the least.
I know who the real fascist are.
Islam is not even close to fascist philosophy.

Now the badge from The United American Committee sure looks fascist
Of course you realize that non-thinking NATIONALISM is a sign of Fascism


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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:55 AM
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5. How about Christofascism or Judaeofascism??
They have their dangerous fundies too?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:01 AM
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7. How about JudaeoNazism while your at it.
I think it's similar to Islamofascism, in terms of economics and nationalistic political philosophies.:sarcasm:
:popcorn: :rofl:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:59 AM
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6.  "Do I get a badge if I join?"


Yep!

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:04 AM
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9. Nope, but maybe they'll hook you up with a hat
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:02 AM
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8. in response to IChing
"Please defend your post"

Hey I just said I thought the article was interesting. I didn't write it. It says on their website why they relate it to fascism:

(From their website):
"

Why "Islamofascism?"

Fascism in definition is (from Webster's dictionary) is "A political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

The Islamic extremists wish for Islam to be an all encompassing lifestyle and government law, it fits quite well with Webster's definition of fascism, and is therefore...Islamofascism, a growing threat against democracy and the American way of life.

"

Hmm an INTERESTING article, nothing more...
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:15 AM
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14. Very poor definition of Fascism
Thanks DPirates for the Webster definition
but I think you need to read a little more than Webster
to form the conclusion:

" Islamic extremists wish for Islam to be an all encompassing lifestyle and government law, it fits quite well with Webster's definition of fascism, and is therefore...Islamofascism"

Which is a Bush made up word you are exposing and agreeing with.

That is called a theocratic form of government form of government vs a fascist form of government. Two different political animals and both equally dangerous.
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:18 AM
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16. Why are you arguing with me Iching it's NOT ME SAYING IT IT'S ON THE SITE!
I am only PASTING what it says on THEIR site so please stop insinuating that I am the one writing these things. I got their reason for calling it Islamofascism from the bottom of their site here http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/rally.htm
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:26 AM
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17. Ok but it sounded like you were defending the word
I read their site, and it seems to be an overly Nationalistic site.
I got the feeling you were a freep.

If you want to know what fascism is read this:
1.The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition .


Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but is was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of the faiths indulgently accepted by the Roman pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages -- in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little-known religions of Asia.


This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, "the combination of different forms of belief or practice;" such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and although they seem to say different or incompatible things, they all are nevertheless alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.

As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.

If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.


2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism.
Both Fascists and Nazis worshipped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon blood and earth (Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life. The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.


3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake.

Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.


4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.

In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.


5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity.

Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.


6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.

That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.


7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.

This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.


8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.


When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur-Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.


9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.


Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such "final solutions" implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.


10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.


Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people in the world, the members or the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler.


11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero.


In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Spanish Falangists was Viva la Muerte ("Long Live Death!"). In nonfascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.


12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.


This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.


13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.


In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view -- one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.


Because of its qualitative populism, Ur-Fascism must be against "rotten" parliamentary governments. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.


14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.


Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in Nineteen Eighty-Four, as the official language of what he called Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.


* * *


Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances — every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task.


From a old post of mine at this site: http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=53054&forum=6
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:32 AM
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18. UAC fits in with some of those
Indeed these guys seem a bit too nationalistic. I think they are well intended, but a bit too strong for me. I am really fed up with the Democrat party not dealing well with the issue of Islamic extremism, me being a Jewish American, I know what my family goes through in Israel with terror and I can see it being like that here if we don't do something now to help root out those few with extremist ideals. But I havn't seen any help from my party, and I'm getting ready to register as an independent
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:34 AM
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19. and furthermore
and furthermore I want to deal with the problem head on before our government turns America into a police state
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:12 AM
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'Islamofascism' is a Limbaugh-ism, like 'FemiNazi"
It's merely a reflection of the user's prejudice and nothing more.
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:13 AM
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13. What's a FemNazi?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:12 AM
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12. Islam is and isn't close to fascism
so to any other religion on earth, the vast majority of the world's billion muslims aren't fascists however hardcore Wahhabist Muslims and those who follow the words of Sayyid Qutb absolutely ARE.

that said this rally isn't about renouncing wahhabist violence and oppresion, the organisers want to "support the troops" in Iraq, an area with a tiny minority of religious fascists yet says nothing about opposing the US relationship with Saudi. While the Saudi royals are a long way from Wahhabists (in that they're a hereditary monarchy) they are big on almost all other tenets of Wahhabism.

to give them the benefit of the doubt, they're no doubt well meaning, but just very very naive, unfortunately like most of the population.
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:16 AM
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15. UAC and Saudis
Hey Djinn, just read their platform and agenda
http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/platform.htm
Looks like these guys are really anti-Saudi, they talk about cutting oil ties with them and mention other Saudi related topics, I think I'm beginning to like these guys
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:09 AM
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10. Is supporting the Iraq War a litmus test for marching in the demonstration
Because in Iraq, the Islamofascists are stronger now than they were when Saddam was in power.
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DPirate Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:12 AM
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11. OOOhhh they have a rally in L.A.
I think I may go to see the battle. Site says they have a rally near me in Los Angeles
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:36 AM
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20. Hmmm
How many American Muslim was involve in the 911 attack?
Do you have problems with Americans Muslim before 911?
Do you have problems after 911?

FEAR FEAR FEAR irrational FEAR

Booo there is a monster beneath your bed.

Islamofacism .... damn ugly word

Sure damn good way to try to be all friendy to people of the Islamic faith.

Terrorism is not a religion.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 03:44 AM
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21. Locking
These "United American Committee" people are poison toads.
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