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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:33 AM
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My snoopgate LTTE makes it to print today
I posted the other day that I'd been notified that it was going to be printed within the next few days, and that was today. I responded to Kathleen Parker's column because she always portrays herself as a moderate, independent writer... yet, always seems to favor Republicans in the end. It's at the bottom of page 2 & top of page 3. The editor must not like Parker, as last year he also printed an LTTE of mine in response to a Parker column.

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/letters/hc-lets0106.artjan06,0,3966949.story?page=2&coll=hc-headlines-letters

Columnist Kathleen Parker really showed herself as a rabid Republican with her Jan. 2 column saying she was not outraged by Bush illegally spying on Americans without warrants .

First, she laughably says we were saved from Iyman Faris destroying the Brooklyn Bridge because of these illegal wiretaps. Even former Republican Rep. Bob Barr, who led the fight to impeach Bill Clinton, scoffed at Faris, who wanted to destroy the bridge with blowtorches. In the months it would have taken to destroy it with blowtorches, would it have been too inconvenient for the National Security Agency to get warrants?

Second, Parker says it would have been imprudent to have to get so many warrants. Yet, Team Bush has told us this illegal spying was very limited in scope. If the program was really that limited, I'm sure that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court could have handled those few extra warrant requests.

The real reason for these outrageous wiretaps is that our president thinks he is above the constitutional checks and balances conceived by our Founding Fathers.

If anybody thinks that Parker would be similarly unconcerned if the president was named Clinton instead of Bush, I have a certain bridge to sell them.


Here is Parker's original piece:
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-parker0102.artjan02,0,6699880.story

I've been trying for several days to get upset about the National Security Agency's eavesdropping program. No, wait, make that President George W. Bush's illegal, warrantless, domestic spying scandal.

That sounds more darkly nefarious, more richly conspiratorial and, most important, more impeachable. But is it true? Is Bush spying illegally on Americans? As usual, it depends on whose head is talking and how one spins the yarn.

"The president has authorized a domestic spying program without court approval" sounds like Big Brother is breathing down all our necks. "The president has authorized national security agents to wiretap suspected terrorists" sounds like common sense.

Thus, try as I might, I can't muster outrage over what appears to be a reasonable action in the wake of 9/11. As a rule, I'm as averse as anyone to having people "spying" on me. I'm also as devoted to protecting civil liberties as any other American.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:36 AM
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1. Cheers!
:toast:
:yourock:
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 06:46 AM
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2. Good going and congrats
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:48 AM
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3. You nailed it
and I loved your last line.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:17 AM
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4. Well done and congratulations! K & R
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 08:17 AM by Nothing Without Hope
:toast: :thumbsup: :applause: :woohoo: :patriot:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:59 PM
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5. K & R?
what does that mean, may I ask?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:40 PM
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6. Kicked (to the top of the forum list) and recommended (to the Greatest
Page). In other words, strong support and appreciation! :thumbsup:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:42 AM
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7. kcik
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:01 AM
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8. Parker is definitely a right wing Bushbot...Please DU her like a poll..
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 06:04 AM by ddeclue
Kathleen writes for the Orlando Sentinel and her email is: kparker@orlandosentinel.com and her boss's email is mjmurphy@orlandosentinel.com. She is a definite Bushbot and needs to be deprogrammed by my friends here at DU..

My own LTTE was published 12/31/2005 about the illegal wiretaps the same day that Ms. Parker's piece came out that you are mentioning. It was a satirical piece to ridicule the President and his spying using an outgoing answering machine message. They liked it, thought it was funny and published it.

After reading my letter, I read Parker's piece and was outraged.

I wrote the following complaint back to her and her boss after reading her flippant attitude towards the subject, knowing that it would not be published but wanting her and her boss to have a piece of my mind.

I would love to see everyone at DU pile on to Kathleen Parker for this trivialization of our fundamental civil liberties.

A friend of mine read what I wrote and also wrote her a complaint...it follows my letter below:

Here's what I wrote to Parker and Murphy:

Ms. Parker:

Re: "Spies Like Us" - You've got it all wrong.

It's NOT the President's job to protect the people.

It's his JOB to protect the Constitution.

He swore an oath to do so before God and the American people. Nowhere does his oath of office or the Constitution charge him with protecting the people. The Constitution and his oath DO charge him with protecting the Constitution, however.

We don't live in remotely dangerous times regardless of all the fear-mongering coming from the Republicans and FoxNews. In fact, we've all got it quite safe and easy compared to the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution or even compared to our grandfathers during World War II.

America is both a nuclear and conventional military superpower - in fact the only super power - and yet we are apparently now totally willing to throw the Constitution out the window over 19 guys with BOXCUTTERS and the fear talking point of the day from the White House and on FoxNews after surviving 216 years of events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, World War I, the Great Influenza, the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement?

Did I miss something Ms. Parker?

So please, in the future, give me and the rest of your readers a break...

It's high time for Americans to stop being such a bunch of lilly livered cowards hiding under their beds all the time. This can't be the "land of the free" if it is not also first willing to be "the home of the brave".

Respectfully,

Douglas J. De Clue
Orlando, FL
ddeclue@bellsouth.net

P.S. Here's a recent piece I wrote on my online blog recently that I really think you should take the time to read:

http://www.brainshrub.com/us-banana-republic

It's official - We Now Live in a Banana Republic.

Last week we heard the shocking news that the President had secretly ordered NSA phone taps without a warrant of any sort of hundreds and possibly even thousands ordinary American citizens making overseas calls over the last 3 years in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and justified it using a secret legal "finding" from the Justice Department.

Previously, President Bush, in clear violation of various extradition treaties with foreign countries, has secretly ordered the illegal kidnapping from certain foreign countries to others of persons he believed to be terrorists and used another secret "finding" from the Justice Department to once again to justify that order.

We've seen the President order that an American citizen, Jose Padilla, who was taken into custody not on a foreign battlefield, but rather in Chicago Illinois - be held in a U.S. Navy brig in South Carolina without a trial, a judge, a jury or even access to a lawyer for three years.

Again this action was also justified by a legal "finding" contrived by the Justice Department.

This illegal detention continued until they were faced with the likely embarrassment that a conservative, largely Republican appointed Supreme Court would force them to release Mr. Padilla. At this point they finally announced charges against Mr. Padilla but these charges had nothing to do with the original reasons for detaining him.

We've seen the President order that suspected terrorists captured on battlefields abroad be held in a multitude of secret prisons including at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba ; Abu Gharab, Iraq; in Eastern Europe; and elsewhere without access to an International Red Cross representative and without a proper accounting of who those prisoners are to the IRC.

Those prisoners have been repeatedly subjected to abuse and even torture and a number of prisoners have even died as a result of their treatment.

More legal "findings" from the Justice Department were used to justify these actions that are in clear violation of the Constitution's prohibition that "no person may be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment" and that are in violation of other Federal statutes and international treaty obligations.

We've even seen the President and Vice President lobbying to stop Congress from passing anti-torture legislation until last week when they were faced with the embarrassing prospect of Congress overriding a Presidential veto.

We've seen the President lie to both the Congress and the American People about the reasons for starting a war, and then attempt to silence his critics through Nixonian tactics such as the illegal outing of the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

We've seen the Administration use our government to fund and distribute covert propaganda both here and abroad.

We've seen the Administration use our government to illegally collect information on air travelers without a warrant where no probable cause existed to justify these illegal database searches.

We've seen the Administration attempt to create Orwellian government propaganda offices such as the Office of Strategic Influence and Orwellian government research programs such as "Cities that See" in an attempt to use computers and cameras to track the movements of everyday ordinary citizens as they walk down city streets.

Never has any American President committed so many illegal, immoral and unconstitutional acts. Never.

Even Richard Nixon at some level understood that wiretaps without a court order were illegal, unconstitutional and wrong. The Watergate "plumbers" after all were burglars, not government agents acting behind the shield of official protection.

President Bush acts as though the Constitution were a hindrance, a burden, and an obstacle to be worked around rather than understanding that it is his primary duty to preserve, protect, defend and obey the Constitution.

He uses often-secret legal findings by his Justice Department to give the appearance of propriety while denying the third branch of government, the Federal Court system, any say in the matter. He never gets these Justice Department findings approved by the Congress, the Courts, or the people.

These fiat findings and executive orders are but one step removed from “because the King said so” and circumvent the very checks and balances the Founders intended for our protection.

The President swore an oath before God and the American People "to the best of his Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The President is fond of telling us that his number one priority is the protection of the American people and he repeated this claim yet again recently to a PBS reporter.

His oath of office however makes no mention of protecting the American people, nor does the Constitution charge him with that responsibility.

This, at first, may seem odd but the Founding Fathers understood well that tyrants often justified their actions on the basis that they were acting in the best interest of protecting the people.

They did not fight a revolution to remove themselves from the clutches of one king only to appoint a different king to take his place. They wanted a democratic government. They wanted an open government where effective checks and balances protected both the rights of the majority and the rights of the individual against those would be tyrants.

Protecting the American people is no excuse for destroying the American Constitution.

Secrecy is anathema to democracy for it denies "We the People" our fundamental right to an accountable government and our fundamental right to make an informed decision at the ballot box.

The President has repeatedly used secrecy to hide his illegal actions from the view of the Congress, the Courts, and most importantly the American people.

That the New York Times was aware of the fact that the President was illegally spying on American citizens without a court order - and chose to withhold that fact from the American public for over a year makes them an accomplice to that crime.

For the New York Times to withhold this information during an election year is in fact an unforgivable sin against the American People.

It is the duty of the press, above all else, to bring such abuses of power to the light of day.

That the President expects us to trust him for an extended period with the expanded and Constitutionally questionable powers that were granted to him under the PATRIOT Act after they expire in December would be laughable were it not so dangerous.

Today is hardly the first "trying time" that Americans have ever known. We should not allow the President to frighten us into giving up our American birthright - the Constitution - and into replacing a free government of laws by a mere dictatorship of men.

That the President has gotten away with so many impeachable offenses for so long is baffling and deeply disturbing. The United States Congress and the Senate investigated Richard Nixon and prepared Articles of Impeachment against him for far less serious offenses.

It is long since time for them to impeach President Bush.


Here is what my friend Jim wrote as well:

I have read Mr. DeClue's e-mail (see below) and I am in large part in agreement.

In my opinion, individual acts of prior Presidents have been worse than Mr. Bush's -- for example President Johnson & Robert Kennedy's wiretapping of Martin Luther King or Roosevelt's secret trial and execution of Nazi saboteurs and Roosevelt's internment of Japanese-Americans. Or Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus. But, in combination, Bush's actions are a grave erosion of our Constitutional form of government.

Further, from the tone of the New York Times reporting, I suspect there will be further disclosures about the NSA program that will turn almost all Americans against it. Given the relatively large number of officials who have apparently stepped forward to disclose it, there must be more objectionable parts of the program that have not been disclosed because it is difficult to disclose them without blowing the cover on parts that must be kept secret. The scenario is not difficult to imagine -- such as hypothetically, a program that attempts to track the "To:" and "From:" of every e-mail ever sent on the Internet (with no distinction between, SPAM, journalism, legal representation or academic research). Ms. Parker would be implicated in communicating with both Mr. DeClue and Mr. Callahan (not to mention, in a very grave soft voice, a CC with a "Padilla"). In other words, guilt by e-mail association. To understand where this could lead, read both the nonfiction and fiction writings of Ollie North -- who proposed a "Total Information Awareness (TIA)" program.

I say this as one who was, in the early days after 9/11, a lone protester holding a sign saying "NO SECRET TRIALS." At the time, the administration was seeking the power to intern, try and execute people in secret. When that was rebuffed, the administration used "renditions."

Open proceedings reported by the press may have saved the life of Mr. Padilla and countless others on Guantanemo. Contrast that with recent events in China. If we had gone ahead with secret trials we would be left with a system of justice that even the ever patient Chinese people are finding intolerable. See for example, Jim Yardley's article in the New York Times, "In Worker's Death, View of China's Harsh Justice."

It could be worse, Mr. Bush could try to mimic, President John Adam's "Alien and Sedition Acts," which spurred Thomas Jefferson into action.

As Benjamin Franklin said, "It's a republic, if you can keep it."

Jim Callahan
Orlando, FL
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:18 AM
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9. great letter...keep up the good work!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 10:17 AM
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10. Read about TIA, spychip RFIDs, and background checks....
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 10:19 AM by EVDebs
If you want to see how Repubican goon squads embedded in law enforcement and intelligence agencies can screw you over better than any bearded Islamic fundumentalist, check out the information in this DU link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=62515&mesg_id=69210

BTW, if Wal-Mart can track you and the underware you bought, why can't they find OBL with his kidney dialysis equipment in the Hindu Kush ? The can track YOU but not the terrorists ? What's wrong with that picture...?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:56 AM
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dupe...
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 11:57 AM by Jade Fox
never mind.......:smoke:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:56 AM
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11. Parker is a slightly more civil Coulter or Malkin.....
She can be counted on to say the most idiotic things.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:35 PM
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12. Well it's pretty hard to be as both as crazy and insulting as Coulter..
Being a wingnut is haaaard...work... haaard..work...

Doug D.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:37 PM
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13. Great! Congrats!
:toast:
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 07:37 PM
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14. Way to go!
That was a good letter. I sent mine in the other day, but it looks as if it will not be published. I'll just have to keep trying.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 10:04 PM
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15. Don't give up!
Keep writing. For every letter like mine, I'm sure the local paper gets several similar from other folks... and, if enough write in about something, they'll publish at least one.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 10:17 PM
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16. "Try as I might, I can't muster outrage ..."
Try taking your mind out of neutral and at least getting it into first gear, Ms. Parker. That might help.

=================

Good LTTE. Bravo! :thumbsup:
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