ABC News PROVES that they're liberal!

[durablend]

"People scrambling to get rid of Abramoff money, but some decidedly aren't--for example, Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton"

Well if THAT doesn't prove that they're working for us, I don't know what will :sarcasm:

[acmavm]

1. Look, if they took any money that came from an Abramoff source, then

they need to give it back. Regardless of whether or not they did anything in return for the money, and I doubt that they did buy whatever, they NEED to give it back.

We'd be screaming our heads off here about any damn republican who took money from Abramoff or a client if he was a republican.

Why is it that people here can condemn an action by a republican but defend the same action of a dem does it? I just don't understand that about this place.

[vi5]

2. I don't think it's that at all.....

I've seen just as many posts on here as not saying "If any dem took his money then they need to go just as much as any repub."

The point is that the news continues to mislead and refer to what people like Reid and Clinton got as Abramof money which it is not. From his clients, yes. And if that money is tainted then give it back. But right now none of Abramof's clients who gave the money to dem have been shown to do anything illegal.

What's pissing people off is the inability of the mainstream media to articulate this distinction. One look at Abramof's donations on that Newsmeat site shows that every single last one of them was to republicans and republican PACs.

[mattclearing]

21. "Inability" implies that they want to make the distinction.

They clearly don't.

[durablend]

5. That wasn't my point

It was the point that they made SURE to pick two Democrats to make an example out of ("well golly...those Democrats are just as crooked as the Republicans so definitely don't vote for them")

[sandnsea]

9. Democrats represent tribes, hellooo!!

There's a whole list of Republicans giving money back and I don't think some guy who took $500 up in Wisconsin was involved in any bribery scandal and I don't care which party he was from (Republican). They are succeeding in confusing people about this scandal. It's about some people casting uncharacteristic votes after receiving this money, AND about Abramoff's money laundering scheme. Giving the money back is a totally stupid sideshow.

[bunkerbuster1]

10. You do know that an Abramoff source would include Microsoft?

Forget this "took money from Abramoff's clients" bullshit. It's another RW noise-machine diversion.

Oh well, too late. If DUers are falling for it, we're hosed. Again.

[Skittles]

17. once again, shall we?

IT IS NOT A CRIME TO ACCEPT WHAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE LEGITMATE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. INFLUENCE-PEDDLING, BRIBES ARE ANOTHER MATTER ENTIRELY.

[acmavm]

23. ONE MORE TIME, THEY NEED TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK

It's the Caeser's wife thing, they need to avoid even the appearance of dishonesty.

If you want to take the moral high road you have to be able to claim to be in the right, regardless of whether there is a real OR imagined wrong involved.

Like I said, we'd be screaming our heads of at even the appearance of scandal if it was a republican. Anyone who says we wouldn't is lying.

[DemonFighterLives]

3. If they got it from Abramoff, they are as guilty as the next clown

From my understanding of the matter, a lot of the democrats got money from the tribes and not Abramoff. It is the republicans who are trying to tie democrats to the scandal by associating tribal money with "" abramoff"" bribes.
It is entirely legal for the tribes to donate to whoever they choose.
This was the case with Patrick Kennedy and Durbin. I can't defend any dem who needs to do what is right and doesn't.

[DemonFighterLives]

4. Fascist Friday on C-spn

just showed a list of givebacks. Looks like mostly republicans and they have their favorite little charities in line for the dough.
Now they smell like roses since they played the charity card.
:argh:

[BuyingThyme]

6. They're all giving to the

Capital Athletic Foundation.

Don't be so negative.

[DemonFighterLives]

14. I couldn't follow your post

Is that the Capitol gym?

[BuyingThyme]

16. That's Casino Jack's primary

faux charity organization.

[DemonFighterLives]

19. Thanks nt

:dem:

[Rockholm]

7. Corporate Media is equating the two donations.

The Boston Globe today (and yesterday) is reporting how Democrats (always listed first, no accident to make us look bad, no doubt) and Republicans EQUALLY have received money from BOTH sources. They then do pithy little graphs to demonstrate. However, if The Globe were to report only Abramoff money, it would be ALL Republican.
This is the way the Democrats can avoid falling into yet another republican spin machine. It is already happening.
The republican mantra:
DISTORT (the facts)
DISTRACT (the focus)
CONFUSE (the issue)
and the RESULT (Democrats hate America)

[bunkerbuster1]

11. Conflate, conflate, conflate!

Moral relativism is OK if we do it!

[DemonFighterLives]

18. I agree

There was a table from NYT that was reprinted in the Star Tribune. It showed the ranking by dollar amounts and seperated by Abe/Tribe.
The top of the list was all republicans and a portion of almost every one was from Abramoff. The dems showed no abramoff money.
Tom Delay took almost all of his from Abramoff. goodbye Tommy boy!

[leftchick]

15. There were ZERO Democrats getting money from Jackoff

Zero, zip, nada!

[DemonFighterLives]

20. That is what I thought or should say hoped

In a town hall meeting with Sabo D Congress, who is a good person, said it is all a republican scandal. I didn't attend, but was told this by a fine upstanding DU'er.
Funny how the bipartisan spin has taken over the news. I guess misery loves company and they hope to have democrats on the sinking boat.

[Stephanie]

22. NO DEMOCRATS GOT MONEY FROM ABRAMOFF

From the tribes, yes, but not from Abramoff.

[DemonFighterLives]

27. I think that is what I said

but thanks for the reinforcement. I guess all the information is on the table then?

[Atman]

8. Abramoff? Who's he?

I have CNN on this morning. The don't seem to realize the largest scandal is Congressional history has broken out.

I had to listen to seven years of blather from the "liberal media" about Clinton's penise, but the "liberal media" doesn't seem to be able to find 5 minutes to devote to our crumbling democracy.

Oh, but they're giving us new reasons to panic about bird flu.

[WernhamHogg]

12. Isn't it funny

Georgie gave $6,000 to charity. That was sure swell of him, but what about the other $94,000 that he took from Abramoff???

Watching CNN yesterday, they also commented on Harry Reid not giving back money while making a big deal out of the $6K Bush gave to charity. Still, they forgot to mention Georgie took at least $100,000 from Abramoff. "Liberal" media, indeed!

[fasttense]

13. I did a quick count of how many Dems and repukes gave back money.

Turns out 82% of the politicians returning money are repukes. I'll have you know that not one single dime from Abramoff went to a Democratic politician. So the 18% of Dems who are returning the money are returning tribal donations NOT Abramoff money.

I wonder how the tribes feel now that their donations are considered dirty?

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Oh yes

They're only looking out for us right? :sarcasm:

[rpgamerd00d]

25. Go Abercrombie !

Abercrombie said he will not return his donation from Abramoff's Indian tribe client because that would imply the tribe was guilty of wrongdoing when it's Abramoff who cheated *them*.

[lpbk2713]

26. FWIW --- ABC is the network that wanted to hire Limpballs

a couple of times. Once as a commentator on Monday Night Football and again at ESPN for the same job. He knows as much about football as Dennis Miller did. They abandoned the idea when the letters started pouring in.

Also. OxyRush quotes ABC news as a source quite often on his "Lies, Exaggerations, and Distortions" show. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was the original source who fed a slanted article to ABC to begin with and claimed them as the source to lend it more credibility.