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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:40 PM
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is all this focusing on abramoff, abramoff,abramoff, taking the focus away
from BUSH AND HIS HIDEOUS CRIMES?????????? WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT FOCUSING ON BUSH, HIS LIES, THE BLOOD ON HIS HANDS, HIS ILLEGAL AND ILLICIT OCCUPATION OF IRAQ, HIS LOOTING THE PLACE FOR OIL? ISN'T ABRAMOFF LIKE A LITTLE FISH IN A BIG POND? DON'T WE REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER THE MURDERING SHARK, I.E., BUSH?" am i just simply mad?
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:43 PM
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1. What you say is true, the media is focusing on it.
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 07:44 PM by Jawja
But that's not a bad thing because it appears that this rings the death bell for Tom Delay as far as his power goes, and if all goes well, Ralph Reed, hopefully.

On edit: we have to start SOMEWHERE in bringing down the mafia control of the treasury and the military. Getting the bugman out would be very helpful.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:51 PM
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3. good point...
i guess i just want to see bush held accountable for so many things at least once in his life.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:57 PM
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5. Yes, I do too,
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 08:00 PM by Jawja
and it begins with the structure around him crashing down. To get Delay and other powerful Repugs in Congress will help put the brakes on getting things strong armed through the House - you know, like the revote after the vote to ensure a Repug victory on legislation?

The machine has to be taken apart piece by piece - and as a result, the Little Dictator will start declaring more power for himself to get what he wants. If he can't get it legally (Congressional approval), he will just outright declare he has the authority as "Commander in Chief." He has done that twice in the case of the FISA law and the limitations on torture.



:popcorn:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:06 PM
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8. i can see taking him out "brick by brick"...but when he claims more and
more power isn't he tying up our hands rather than having the falling bricks take him down?

i am confused!
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:43 PM
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13. I think he will overreach
and the public will finally have had enough - getting to that point now. Especially if kids keep dying in Iraq and particularly if he exercises the folly of widening the conflict into Iran and perhaps Syria.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:44 PM
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17. o, God forbid!
o, plese no more wars, no more killings, no more dying.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:49 PM
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2. I think it's all connected, going after Abramoff IS going after Bush.
These are dealings with defense contractors one way or another associated with Iraq.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:52 PM
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4. thanks for point it out ... i am just anxious to see bush held accountable
pronto!:)
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:58 PM
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22. We all are.
:)
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 07:58 PM
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6. Look at it this way: It reinforces the frame that the Republican Party
has fostered a "culture of corruption"

:kick:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:09 PM
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9. isn't he still trying to be VIRTUE BABE... he didn't know kenny boy, now
he never met with abramoff ... you know, his hands are full of blood and shit but he paints himself like VIRTUE BABE and the media is letting him do it ... and so many still buy it!
:(
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:02 PM
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7. Check this out:
DeLay Inc.' Lobbying Firm Has Links to Three Capital Scandals
Bloomberg

Friday 06 January 2005

Representative Tom DeLay's campaign to get Republicans to dominate Washington lobbying may have worked too well for Alexander Strategy Group.

The firm has links to no fewer than three of the scandals convulsing the US capital. One partner, former DeLay aide Tony Rudy, is now a focus of a federal investigation of lobbyist Jack Abramoff. The group's founder, former DeLay chief of staff Ed Buckham, set up a South Korea junket for his old boss that violated ethics rules. And the firm represents a company whose owner, prosecutors allege, bribed former Representative Randy Cunningham.

Alexander Strategy's links to lawmakers are an outgrowth of a decade-long effort by DeLay, 58, to force lobbying firms to hire more Republicans, who can direct corporate money to the party. The system, known as "DeLay Inc." or "the K Street Project," has fueled a surge of money in politics, and critics say it has also created the potential for greater corruption.

"Alexander Strategy Group is really part of DeLay Inc. and Abramoff Inc.," said Melanie Sloan, a former federal prosecutor who now heads Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, an ethics watchdog group. "There have been some aggressive prosecutors trying to unravel those ties. I am sure that Alexander Strategy is going to have more than Tony Rudy as a problem when this is over."
>
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010606A.shtml

They're all closely linked. One unravels and they all unravel.

pnorman
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:10 PM
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10. "They're all closely linked. One unravels and they all unravel."
o God i hope so!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:23 PM
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11. Think Of The Black Knight In Monty Python
The first arm came off with Plamegate and the entire Iraq fiasco, the first leg came off with Katrina and now hurricane Abramoff has taken the other arm (merely a flesh wound). This bastard is now hobbling on one leg and the spying scandals and "boooosh fatigue" will take care of the rest. Problem is he still thinks he can fight, can still bite and gets more clueless by the day in his bubble world, protected by the conflicted corporate media.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:28 PM
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12. i do like your analogy here ...
i find it uplifting in that boooooosh really needs to gooo and your analogy gives me hope!
:)
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:44 PM
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14. calm down, calm down

Bush has lost his power in domestic affairs to Congress over the past year or year and a half, and now The People is moving the power held by Congress from Republicans to Democrats.

In foreign affairs- military and finishing off the remains of Cold War Stalinism (Saddam Hussein), fighting terrorism (Al Qaeda), and diplomacy (the colonial empire remnant 'Coalition' vs the postcolonial UN and NATO)- The People is letting Bush slide...for the time being. Because there's enough benefit of the doubt left that it may yet work out to a desirable or bearable outcome.

All the other crap becomes relevant when the key bloc, moderate Republicans, have given up on Bush and (thus) Congress turns on him, using it all as the tools to dismantle the faux monarchical Administration. You/we are going to have to put off getting satisfaction until 2007, but the way Washington works it always comes too late...but then it defenestrates the culprits and lets the dogs tear up the bodies.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:48 PM
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18. except that bush is crazy enough to roll out a police state full fledged
in which dissenters in the citizenry and in the congress will become afraid to stand up against bush ...or worse yet, they will be disappeared if they do. some of that has already been happening.

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:44 PM
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15. From what I have been reading, the Taliban is
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 08:45 PM by alfredo
readying a change in tactics, becoming more like the Iraqi resistance. I hope that isn't the case, but if it is, it will put bush's incompetence front and center. He should have never taken assets out of Afghanistan to settle a family feud.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:48 PM
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16. If you could stop yelling, I might be able to listen.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:50 PM
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19. who is yelling? i wasn't aware that anyone is yelling.
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 10:53 PM by flordehinojos
o ... DO YOU MEAN MY BOLD LETTERING? IT HELPS ME TO SEE BETTER ON THE PAGE WHEN I AM TYPING. SO, I EITHER PLEASE YOU, OR PLEASE ME...OR YOU COULD UNDERSTAND MY NEED TO USED BOLD LETTERING. BUT, IF THE NOISE BOTHERS YOU ... TUNE IN TO ANOTHER STATION.you might like the program better there.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:53 PM
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20. Proper Internet Etiquette. When You Type In All Caps, It Is Considered
yelling.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:58 PM
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21. i suppose i am not a proper person ... and as a matter of fact,
i've spent all of my life breaking away from my father and his family's need for PROPER etiquitte ...sort of the same hypocritical kind of propriety claimed by bush ... so... sorry... i need to claim my right to free speech IN BOLD AND ALL CAPS or not, depending on how the muse moves me. i also consider myself an adult at this time in my life, enough to know how much i can sin out of my own free will, and how much i do not want to sin out of my own free will.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:23 AM
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25. Hey, Feel Free To Do Whatever You Want. Just Know That Many People
won't listen to you if you are yelling at them. If you want your message to get lost in the screaming type than that's your problem. I could really care less. :hi:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:13 AM
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26. thank you for letting me own my problem. i really appreciate that.
:)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:07 PM
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23. The Big Fish is the Republican Congress, not George Bush....
Bush will be gone next election anyway. We have to take back the people's House. That is the big fish.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:18 AM
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27. i am not so sure that bush, the bushies, poppy bush and the rest of the
neocons are, or will be so willing to give up power. they after all, staged a bloodless coup in 2000 and then again they stole the elections in '04. bush is giving himself more and more authority/autonomy from the constitution and the other branches of government each day and each day he becomes more and more like a ruthless dictator. can we even wait 'till next election? maybe that is just what he is banking on...and i shudder just thinking about the many and different ways in which he could say, sorry there are going to be no elections...i am holding on to power.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:15 PM
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24. It is the perfect storm
Hopefully he* will be caught up in it soon.
:hurts:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:20 AM
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28. yes, and flushed waaaaaaaaay down the sewer system...just like the
emoticon in your post shows!
:toast: :bounce: :toast:
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