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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 08:56 PM
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Is this true or tin-hat BS? "The real Iran threat"
Source: Berkeley, Charleston, and Dorchester County Libertarian Society

http://www.teamliberty.net/id210.html

The January 4, 2006 editorial page of the Post & Courier contained an editorial titled, “Send clear message to Iran” as well as an article by Thomas Sowell titled, “Nuclear precipice: Iran a threat to West’s future”. Just for good measure, the Post & Courier threw in a cartoon of Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad carrying a box with atom symbols fluttering out of it but turning to the Star of David before they hit the ground. Nice. Unfortunately, your editorial team is either comfortable misleading its readers or just ignorant as to why they are being spoon-fed the nuclear threat to the region and the West spin that the Federal Reserve and the federal government is churning out daily regarding Iran.



I have yet to read in the Post & Courier, any story regarding Iran’s opening of the Iran Oil Bourse in March 2006. A bourse is an exchange; like a stock exchange. The Iran Oil Bourse will become only the third oil exchange in the world. Currently, all oil purchased in the world, every ounce of it, is purchased with U.S. dollars. If China buys oil from Russia, they do so with U.S. dollars. If Chile buys from Venezuela, again the transaction is made in U.S. dollars. In 2000, Saddam Hussein defied the U.S. dollar supremacy for oil purchases and declared that Iraqi oil would only be allowed to be purchased with euros. Suddenly, if China wanted to purchase oil from Iraq, it didn’t need U.S. dollars.



If you take the time to understand our fiat money system you will quickly understand that Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction” were of little threat to the United States when compared to the destabilization of the U.S. dollar created by oil being purchased from Iraq with euros. Within 2 months after invading Iraq, oil produced by Iraq began to be sold for U.S. dollars once again. Iran’s plan takes Iraq’s switch to the petroeuro and magnifies the threat to the U.S. dollar and the economy of the United States 100 times over. Come March 2006, not only will any county purchasing oil from Iran be able to do so with euros, but because Iran will actually be operating an oil exchange, China will be able to purchase oil from Russia through the Iran Oil Bourse, and pay for it with petroeuros. Suddenly, hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars will no longer be necessary for every nation of the world to hold so that they can purchase oil. If nations desire to dump all their dollars, they will be able to do so and still be able to purchase oil. If, or when this occurs, the U.S. dollar will be weakened to such a degree that it could be rendered worthless. When this happens, inflation in the United States will reach levels that will make the Great Depression of the 1930’s look like a decade of gluttony.



I ask you to be honest with yourself and your readers. What do you think is a greater threat to our nation’s security; Iran having nuclear capabilities, or the collapse of U.S. dollar supremacy in the world as the result of Iran’s Oil Bourse opening in March 2006? The truth is that because of our government selling out to the Federal Reserve nearly 100 years ago, America is now stuck with a worthless, dangerous fiat currency with zero commodity backing, and the only way we can sustain it is with bullets. The threat of nuclear weapons will be how the government and newspapers like the Post & Courier lead the American people into war with Iran, but the truth is we must destroy Iran’s Oil Bourse; not its nuclear power plants.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:06 PM
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1. true
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:08 PM
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2. Religion, politics, glass production
what ever happened to the golden rule, and diplomacy.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:10 PM
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3. True, part of the PNAC plan
Destroy the US economy & drown it in a bathtub. Two classes, the 1% who own everything and the worker drones. Where are you in that scenario?



Keith’s Barbeque Central



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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:15 PM
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4. Tin hat with a touch of truth for marketing purposes
Other countries have lots more reasons to hold US dollar investments than oil trade.

The oil trade may give the dollar a little more value, but losing that might cause the dollar to drop 5% against the Euro, not 95%.

As for "fiat money" this is classic tin hat stuff. Our money represents wealth in many different forms that can be purchased with dollars in the US.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:15 PM
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5. The Iranian Threat: The Bomb or the Euro? 
The Iranian Threat: The Bomb or the Euro? 

By Dr. Elias Akleh 

In its economical war Iran is treading the same path Saddam Hussein had started when he, in 2000, converted all his reserve from the Dollar to the Euro, and demanded payments in Euro for Iraqi oil. Many economists then mocked Saddam because he had lost a lot of money in this conversion. Yet they were very surprised when he recuperated his losses within less than a year period due to the valuation of the Euro. The American administration became aware of the threat when central banks of many countries started keeping Euros along side of Dollars as their monetary reserve and as an exchange fund for oil (Russian and Chinese central banks in 2003). To avoid economical collapse the Bush administration hastened to invade and to destroy Iraq under false excuses to make it an example to any country who may contemplate dropping the Dollar, and to manipulate OPEC’s decisions by controlling the second largest oil resource. Iraqi oil sale was reverted back to the petrodollar standard. 

There is only one technical obstacle concerning the use of a euro-based oil exchange system, which is the lack of a euro-denominated oil pricing standard, or oil ‘marker’ as it is referred to in the industry. The three current oil markers are U.S. dollar denominated, which include the West Texas Intermediate crude (WTI), Norway Brent crude, and the UAE Dubai crude. Yet this did not stop Iran from requiring payments in the euro currency for its European and Asian oil exports since spring 2003. 

Iran’s determination in using the petroeuro is inviting in other countries such as Russia and Latin American countries, and even some Saudi investors especially after the Saudi/American relations have weakened lately. This determination had also invited an aggressive American political campaign using the same excuses used against Iraq: WMD in the form of nuclear bomb, support to "terrorist" Lebanese Hezbollah organization, and threat to the peace process in the Middle East. 

The question now is what would the American administration do? Would it invade Iran as it did Iraq? The American troops are knee-deep in the Iraqi swamp. The global community — except for Britain and Italy- is not offering any military relief to the US. Thus an American strike against Iran is very unlikely. Iran is not Iraq; it has a more robust military power. Iran has anti-ship missiles based in "Abu Mousa" island that controls the strait of Hermuz at the entrance of the Persian Gulf. Iran could easily close the strait thus blocking all naval traffic carrying gulf oil to the rest of the world causing a global oil crisis. The price of an oil barrel could reach up to $100. The US could not topple the regime by spreading chaos the same way it did to Mussadaq’s regime in 1953 since Iranians are aware of such a trick. Besides Iranians have a patriotic pride of what they call "their bomb". 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.ht...

The Meridian Report
A Global Perspective on Energy

If you think the invasion of Iraq was about 9-11 and Al-Qaida then I urge you to think again. Cast aside all that the major television networks have programmed into your daily thinking, take a deep breath and slowly exhale. Now, think…real hard. Were any WMD’s (Weapons of Mass Destruction) ever found in Iraq? Has any connection between 9-11 and Saddam Hussein been solidly proven? The answer to both queries is a resounding NO. So why then would the US, the world’s largest economic entity, undertake an invasion of Iraq to capture and remove leader Saddam Hussein? The answer is all about economics. More specifically, Currency. That’s right, Currency. You see, Saddam Hussein had developed a very serious, very viable plan to sell Oil from his country in exchange for Euros. Had he succeeded in putting this plan into action, the damage to the stature of the US Dollar as the global reserve currency would have been un-fixable. Oil importing nations would have reduced their holdings of US Dollars and added Euros to their vaults. The damage to the US economy which is entirely predicated on US Dollar supremacy could have been quite serious indeed. So, in the immediate aftermath of 9-11, the US launched a major offensive under the rather attractive name Operation Iraqi Freedom to trounce any Oil for Euros plans once and for all. But CNN told you a different story. Over and over, night after night you were reminded that Saddam Hussein was a monster. He was sitting on a massive cache of destructive weapons that threatened your safety. He was intimately linked to Al Qaida and global terror. Carefully crafted stories by embedded reporters and film footage of US and British troops moving triumphantly towards Baghdad made the while thing seem larger than life.

Now, fast forward to December 2005. As I write this edition of the Meridian Report, there is a growing sense of deja-vu. This time, it is Iran that is causing problems. But, CNN will have you believe that Iran is causing nuclear problems by refusing to scale back its nuclear program. The real story is that by March 2006 Iran is threatening to have in place an entity called the Iranian Oil Bourse. Trading of Oil on this exchange will be denominated in – yes you guessed it – Euros. A well choreographed play from Saddam’s little black book of game day strategies. The Iranian Oil Bourse will go toe to toe and compete for global prominence with NYMEX in New York and the International Petroleum Exchange in London. Oil trading on these exchanges is done in US Dollar terms. That is why when we hear a quote given for Oil it is always basis the US Dollar. Oil is the lifeblood of the global economy, the US Dollar is the global reserve currency and Oil is quoted in US Dollar terms. A simple 1-2-3 argument.

But this simple 1-2-3 argument may be about to come under attack. A successful start-up of trading operations on this Bourse could lead to an erosion of the US Dollar. Hence this Bourse is a de facto weapon. A weapon so ferocious, that has the ability to undermine the entire US economy, and topple the US Dollar from its lofty perch. After all, why would Oil importing nations need to keep as many US Dollars in reserve if they can purchase Oil in Euros? The ramifications of a weakened US Dollar are serious. Global purchasers of US debt instruments may begin to shy away from a weaker currency in favor of Euro denominated debt instruments. This would place upward pressure on US interest rates and the serious imbalance of the US economy would be laid bare for all to see (as if we don’t already see it). After all, the US has no choice but to keep foreign investors interested in buying US debt. Management of the trade deficit and budget deficit depends on it. The housing market would surely collapse under the weight of higher interest rates. With mortgage rates now above 6% we are already seeing the signs of weakness of the housing market. Now imagine mortgage rates at 8% or even 9%. Given this scenario, it should come as little surprise that China recently moved all of a sudden to re-position its Renminbi currency away from the US Dollar and instead to a basket of global currencies. The Chinese are definitely not stupid. They have excellent relations with Iran and are well aware of the threat this new Bourse poses. Notice how the Chinese still have not told us the exact makeup of this basket? However, you can bet the Euro figures very prominently in the weighting of this basket.

http://www.321energy.com/editorials/meridian/meridian12...



Petrodollar Warfare
Oil, Iraq and the Future of the Dollar
William R. Clark

The invasion of Iraq may well be remembered as the first oil currency war. Far from being a response to 9-11 terrorism or Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, Petrodollar Warfare argues that the invasion was precipitated by two converging phenomena: the imminent peak in global oil production, and the ascendance of the euro currency.

Energy analysts agree that world oil supplies are about to peak, after which there will be a steady decline in supplies of oil. Iraq, possessing the world's second largest oil reserves, was therefore already a target of U.S. geostrategic interests. Together with the fact that Iraq had switched its oil export currency to euros -- rather than U.S. dollars -- the Bush administration's unreported aim was to prevent further OPEC momentum in favor of the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency standard.

Meticulously researched, Petrodollar Warfare examines U.S. dollar hegemony and the unsustainable macroeconomics of 'petrodollar recycling,' pointing out that the issues underlying the Iraq war also apply to geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and other countries including the European Union (E.U.), Iran, Venezuela, and Russia. The author warns that without changing course, the American Experiment will end the way all empires end with military over-extension and subsequent economic decline. He recommends the multilateral pursuit of both energy and monetary reforms within a United Nations framework to create a more balanced global energy and monetary system thereby reducing the possibility of future oil-depletion and oil currency-related warfare.

http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com /

Iraq having WMD and being a threat to the US was as we have known for years (long before that point was validated recently) was bunk. The tinfoil mad hatters were the liars that suggested as much. Right Donald, Dick, Colin etc?
Iran having nuclear weapons and posing ant "imminent threat" is also bunk. The imminent threat is the threat of the devalued dollar to Wall $treet. And the reduction in power of the petrodollar also impacts the cheap and easy access to the worlds oil supply to the world's largest consumer of oil- The Pentagon.


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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:22 PM
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6. Anything Thomas Sowell
says doesn't have enough truth to warrant reading.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:25 PM
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7. Strange, I was just writing in another thread today, arguments against an
imminent Nazi/Hitler type military dictatorship in the U.S., and one of my arguments was that Hitler's rise was premised upon a totally abject, poverty-stricken country, Germany, where you had to take a wheelbarrow full of German money to the bakery to buy a loaf of bread, and that we're not that gone yet--although they're working on it. Our economy and society are still in fairly good working order, despite the Bush wrecking crew.

I'd heard about Saddam and the euros. This is news to me about Iran and the euros. This seems to point to a bombing, nuking or invasion of Iran in the next two months or so, before any investigation could conceivably remove these sons of bitches from power.

God help us all!
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:30 PM
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10. Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse

"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous...Having said that, all options are on the table." 
-- President George W. Bush, February 2005

By William R. Clark

08/08/05 "MM" -- -- Contemporary warfare has traditionally involved underlying conflicts regarding economics and resources. Today these intertwined conflicts also involve international currencies, and thus increased complexity. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran's nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian "petroeuro" system for oil trade. Similar to the Iraq war, military operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of 'petrodollar recycling' and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.

It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam's long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining strategic control over Iraq's hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintain the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004 information provided by former administration insiders revealed the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam.<1><2> Candidly stated, 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency ( i.e. "petroeuro").<3> However, subsequent geopolitical events have exposed neoconservative strategy as fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving towards a petroeuro system for international oil trades, while Russia evaluates this option with the European Union.

In 2003 the global community witnessed a combination of petrodollar warfare and oil depletion warfare. The majority of the world's governments – especially the E.U., Russia and China – were not amused – and neither are the U.S. soldiers who are currently stationed inside a hostile Iraq. In 2002 I wrote an award-winning online essay that asserted Saddam Hussein sealed his fate when he announced on September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UN's Oil-for-Food program, and decided to switch to the euro as Iraq's oil export currency.<4> Indeed, my original pre-war hypothesis was validated in a Financial Times article dated June 5, 2003, which confirmed Iraqi oil sales returning to the international markets were once again denominated in U.S. dollars – not euros.

The tender, for which bids are due by June 10, switches the transaction back to dollars -- the international currency of oil sales - despite the greenback's recent fall in value. Saddam Hussein in 2000 insisted Iraq's oil be sold for euros, a political move, but one that improved Iraq's recent earnings thanks to the rise in the value of the euro against the dollar. <5>

The Bush administration implemented this currency transition despite the adverse impact on profits from Iraqi's export oil sales.<6> (In mid-2003 the euro was valued approx. 13% higher than the dollar, and thus significantly impacted the ability of future oil proceeds to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure). Not surprisingly, this detail has never been mentioned in the five U.S. major media conglomerates who control 90% of information flow in the U.S., but confirmation of this vital fact provides insight into one of the crucial – yet overlooked – rationales for 2003 the Iraq war.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9698.htm


The Euro Iranian Bourse is scheduled to begin in March 2006 and gradually replace the petrodollar as Iran's main currency of trade for their oil.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:27 PM
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8. K & R, please! People need to know this! n/t
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:30 PM
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9. Iran switching to Euro is a reality
But please it wont have any big effect if othe countries dont panic.
Iran cannot shake the world economy
Maybe one less dollar supporter NO BIGGIES

You got to watch China, that is where the big switch will be
China start to dump dollars totally then World Panic
All will start dumping dollars.

The real Iran threat is America or Isreal start a war with Iran
Iran not going to do it.
It is the nutcase who wants war .... FACE IT

This war is not winnable for the US or Isreal
You cant use nuke cause Iran have allies with nuke and who to say that Iran has no nuke.
How mch is a nuke?

Dont have to jump into this hellhole
But heck you got a crazy president.... sigh.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:40 PM
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11. I read somewhere (on DU) that the Russians were already
working with China to buy oil in euros. I thought it was a done deal...but I guess not. :shrug:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:04 PM
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12. Speaking of fiat money
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 10:05 PM by JohnyCanuck
These links below are to two videos (Windows media player) that explain how fractional banking first came into being and our current banking/economic systems evolved. They're long as each one runs about two hours but interesting. What is interesting is to see how the bankers have manipulated governments and political figures down through history as well playing a part in wars and world events behind the scenes that is seldom if ever acknowledged.

It started back in the middle ages when people brought gold to goldsmiths for safekeeping to store in their vauts. The goldsmith gave out a written receipt for the gold and then people began trading the paper receipts as money since it was more convenient than trading the actual gold. In addition, the goldsmiths could make loans based on the amount of gold they had on hand in their vaults. However they found that once people had a paper receipt for gold they didn't come back that often to take posession of the gold, so they could acutally loan out much more with paper than they could with actual gold. The effect was the goldsmiths could in effect make money out of thin air and they proceeded to do just that by issuing way more loans than they had gold to cover the loans, knowing that they were quite safe to do this as most people would never actually try to redeem the paper reciepts for actual gold.

A few families were able to become tremendous wealthy this way and they also found their loan making services became very valuable to royalty and goverments to finance armies and wars etc. This also meant that these bankers were in the position to exert influence over rulers (who needed their loans) and to manipulate rulers and political figures. Today in the US the Federal Reserve is owned by private banking interests and is NOT owned by the US Federal Government as many people tend to assume. The Fed manipulates the money supply by creating or withdrawing money from circulations in cooperation with the commercial banks in a somewhat more sophisticated version of the goldsmith's scam of the middle ages.

Here are the links. You can right click and select save as to save to your hard drive, or just left click to watch as streaming video. (Not sure how well they work on dialup connections)

MoneyMasters Part1

MoneyMasters Part2



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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:19 AM
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13. You're right on the money about this one.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 02:15 PM
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14. Can't discount the role of Israel in any strikes on Iran..

Axis of Fanatics -- Netanyahu and Ahmadinejad
by Norman Solomon

With Ariel Sharon out of the picture, Benjamin Netanyahu has a better chance to become prime minister of Israel.

<snip>

The guy is smooth -- fluent in American idioms, telegenic to many eyes -- and good at lying on camera. So, when Israeli police killed 17 Palestinians at Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque in October 1990, Netanyahu led a disinformation blitz asserting that the Palestinians were killed after they’d rioted and pelted Jewish worshipers from above the Wailing Wall with huge stones. At the time, his fable dominated much of the U.S. media. Later even the official Israeli inquiry debunked Netanyahu’s account and blamed police for starting the clash.

<snip>

The election that gave the presidency of Iran to Ahmadinejad last summer was a victory for repressive fundamentalism. Results have included a negative trend for human rights in the country and a more bellicose foreign policy.

When Ahmadinejad declared in late October that “Israel must be wiped off the map,” he did a big favor to the most militaristic of Israel’s major politicians -- Benjamin Netanyahu -- who demanded that Prime Minster Sharon take forceful action against Iran. Otherwise, Netanyahu said in December, “when I form the new Israeli government, we’ll do what we did in the past against Saddam’s reactor, which gave us 20 years of tranquillity.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0106-31.htm
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