Book of Daniel starting on the East Coast

[Sydnie]

Head up everyone!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Central time too.

[lonestarnot]

2. Vas es das?

[karlrschneider]

Controversial teevee show, or so it's been claimed. Do a search, many DU

threads about it.

[Synnical]

6. Link to previous discussions from LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2021532

[lonestarnot]

12. Thanks.

[Synnical]

3. I'm Tivoing it

Will watch later.

[karlrschneider]

4. On the Tulsa NBC chan too, 5 minutes in doesn't look all that interesting

so far...
:eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Twenty minutes in and it's still a

:yawn: Over-hyped, I'd say.

[karlrschneider]

36. Yeah, and pretty innocuous. I don't think it will last very long.

Not because there's anything blasphemous about it, just that it's dull.
:eyes:

[carolinalady]

37. Obviously you are not educated in the fine art of soap opera

watching. It takes time to build suspense......LOL.

[karlrschneider]

39. I like soap and I like opera but the mix is a bit like

watermelon with barbecue sauce to me. :D

[chimpymustgo]

43. So far, I like. Quirky. Really good characters, much room for development.

Love the Chinese adopted son. And the gay son. And the daughter. And of course the priest. But what's up with the black maid/cook? Hmmmm... Still I like the feel of the show.

[karlrschneider]

77. Well, I'm still watching, have to admit it's growing on me a bit.

Some actually quite funny lines. I could come to like it. :D

[FreedomAngel82]

113. I liked the Chinese guy too

He's cute and I liked what he said at the end to the girl he was dating. It was sweet.

[Sydnie]

63. And character loyalty and hatred

some of the best shows have the one you love to hate and not the one you love to love. I think this one will have both!

[carolinalady]

52. Now how can you not have a little chuckle or two?

[MuseRider]

5. Anyone else think the sound track is off?

I have it on for the first 30 minutes then I will record the rest as I watch my orchestra on another channel (sorry to brag ;)). The sound track is off here. It is driving me nuts.

[karlrschneider]

8. That's a common problem with the Dish DVR. You can get it back by

stopping the timeshift & restarting it.

[MuseRider]

11. Cable here but thanks.

It is still off after the ads. Hmmm, I guess I will have to live with it. :cry:

[karlrschneider]

22. Ohh...well that's a problem with your cable system, don't know a fix for

for it sorry.
;-)

[MuseRider]

28. It seems to have settled

after this last break. YAY!

[Sydnie]

9. seems fine here but I hate when that happens! n/t

[MuseRider]

15. I hate it too

but I HAVE to watch this show just because I figure if it pisses off the fundies it is worth a watch. Plus, I really love Aiden Quinn. :)

[SW FL Dem]

7. Watching it here

Any show that gets the AFA so upset, is definitely worth watching.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

10. Not on in Southeast Texas.

They're showing "Hollywood Extra!" or some garbage.

[babylonsister]

13. Wow. It's on in Houston, NBC Channel 2. nt

[Sydnie]

14. Check your WB listings

Washington Post said that one city arranged to show it on the WB channel. Perhaps they did it in your area too?

[seabeyond]

35. it is on in amarillo, texas n/t

[babylonsister]

16. I love it already and hope it gets HUGH ratings! nt

[Sydnie]

17. I love the cast!

sort of has a Six Foot Under flavor, IMHO.

[karlrschneider]

19. Who's the gay kid (the actor)? He looks real familiar...

???

[MuseRider]

25. This guy?

He is been in a lot. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132301/

[karlrschneider]

32. Oh for gods sake, OF COURSE! I have the movie TRICK on DVD

I knew that dimpled grin but couldn't connect it. :D

Thank ya!

[no_hypocrisy]

26. He looks like Neve Campbell.

[MuseRider]

20. I was thinking

the beginning theme reminded me of Dead Like Me, the music anyway. I actually kind of like this show so far, the cast does seem to work well together.

[babylonsister]

24. That's funny; that's the first thing

my husband said. Yes, it's similar to 6 FT Under-another dysfunctional family. Makes the rest of us seem normal! :toast:

[crispini]

18. So far, yawn.

:boring:

[carolinalady]

21. Very good so far IMO...

Fridays and Saturdays are definitely in need of some decent programs for us old people that can't party anymore. LOL

[MuseRider]

23. Oh that is funny!

Very true.

[Indykatie]

27. I'm Watching in Indianapolis

only to piss off the right wing nuts who tried to get it shut down. I don't watch much commercial TV but I'm gonna watch this show every week and hope it's ends up being a success.

[Sydnie]

30. Setting up my TIVO season pass right now!

I am enjoying it so far. The other is just a bonus.

[Cleita]

117. Haven't you seen Numbers?

It's my favorite Friday night show.

[Cha]

139. I love Numb3rs and all

the characters who are much more interesting to me than any crime they happen to be solving. I saw it tonight when everyone else was checking out "..Daniel":)

[no_hypocrisy]

29. Heads Up!!! Jesus just joined the cast. I LIKE him, & I'm atheist . . .

A likeable Hippie Jesus. No wonder the fundies have their panties in a wad.

[Sydnie]

33. I talk to everyone ... very few listen.

Fundies heads must be going PING.

[carolinalady]

34. Last I heard they aren't watching..although we all know they

secretly are. Sinful pleasure. Repent on Sunday. Send money to Pat so they don't get struck dead.
:evilgrin:

[RevCheesehead]

47. They've appointed Tim Wildmon to watch (AFA guy)

He will tell them what to think, and what to complain about.
Oh, wait - he already has. :evilgrin:

[carolinalady]

48. oooooooh...DARK SIDED!! TAINTED!!!

shame...
:evilgrin:

[Sydnie]

49. And he's a good time manager

He knew what to complain about without even spending the time to watch it! :sarcasm:

[RevCheesehead]

LOL

He might have looked at the website, but I doubt it.

I used to get those shitty newsletters in NC. They'd actually list the offensive TV shows, and have their own rating system, with number of offences that occurred:

H=homosexual agenda, 7; S=sexuality, 5; L=language, 17; AC=anti-Christian, 2; and so on. I'm NOT making this up!!

[Sydnie]

59. God love you Rev!

You have never ceased to amaze me with your wonderful outlook. thanks for sharing that with me.

BTW, how is your parents? I hope they are well.

[RevCheesehead]

68. let me get back to you on that.

(mom's in the hospital)

I thank you. This is exactly the Jesus I know, and the church I love and embrace, warts and all. :D

[Sydnie]

72. I hope she gets well very fast Rev

You and she will be in my thoughts.

[RevCheesehead]

76. thanks.

My heart just jumped a bit over his mother & alzheimer's. :(

Mom's got a chronic lung disease, and she just went into the hospital yesterday with viral pneumonia. Anything like that is dangerous for her.
It's been a rough couple of months. :hug:

[Maat]

106. Sending healing energy your way ..

and any other consciousness that you need!

Group hug for the Rev and her fam!



:grouphug:

[RevCheesehead]

118. Thanks, maat!

I love you guys! :grouphug:

[FreedomAngel82]

123. I hope your mom gets better

Yes, the situation with the show mom is sad. :( I felt so bad for the rev's dad. :( But than when they showed what he was doing I couldn't feel totally bad for him but still. :mad:

[RevCheesehead]

137. Thanks..

I appreciate it.

I think that Bishop is playing with fire. And I certainly hope she doesn't try to hold anyone accountable for "sexual misconduct."

Oh, wait - they're Episcopalians, not Methodists. :(

[Jawja]

141. "Homosexual Agenda"

I am so SICK of that term used to describe a civil rights movement for people who just want to be free to love openly and be happy without having to live a lie. :grr: :eyes:

[RevCheesehead]

145. They're not exactly P.C. people.

Besides, it's really their own agenda at work here, right?

[Jawja]

146. Yes, that's true.

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

120. LOL

Did you see what the rev guy said about giving into sin? And than the Bishop lady was saying "we're already seen as too liberal!" and got her panties in a wad and she and his dad having the affair. :eyes:

[johnfunk]

96. They should've called the series "I Dream of Jeeesus"

Yet another wacky '60s sitcom

[Jawja]

138. Yes,

I love the Jesus character.

After having watched the whole thing tonight, I get impression it's about SEX - which is the soap opera angle, I guess. Lots of sex.

Loved it.

[politicat]

151. Agreed... This atheist found jesus quite fascinating.

No wonder there are fundie heads going Pop!

[patdem]

38. To me all it shows is that a preacher is ALSO human..and subject

too all that humans are subject to. I guess they want the preacher to walk 3" off the earth..and all 27 of his kids...scrubbed and heterosexual..and just looking like good Nazi's?

[RevCheesehead]

40. Oh, good - glad to know that others are watching, too!!

So far, I'm impressed. And not offended in the least! :hi:

[Sydnie]

41. Hello REV!

Long time no see! :hug: :hug: :hug:

[RevCheesehead]

42. Hey, Sydnie!!!

Nice to see you, too!! :hug::loveya::hug:

We've missed you in the KOEB.

[HeeBGBz]

45. It seems to be full of heart

I see nothing to be angry about. It's a good show.

[babylonsister]

44. OK, who's the mom/wife? She looks familiar, but... not a clue. nt

[seabeyond]

54. was she in dragonfly? bad with names n/t

[babylonsister]

62. That was helpful,

seabeyond! :rofl: :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. That's Susanna Thompson. She played Billy Campbell's ex wife

in "Once and Again" with Sela Ward. I LOVED that show. Of course it was canceled.:(

[babylonsister]

74. Thank you, in_cog_ni_to! I KNEW

she looked familiar; I loved that show also. Have you watched "House" w/Sela Ward, when she's on? :thumbsup:

[Sydnie]

78. I love House.

And Commander In Chief. On at the same time so I have to tivo House.

[in_cog_ni_to]

157. No. I've never seen that show. What network is it on?

I was wondering whatever happened to Sela...now I know!:hi:

[SharonRB]

152. Thanks -- she looked familiar to me, too, and I couldn't figure out

from where.

I loved "Once and Again." I forgot all about it. Of course it was cancelled -- because I loved it. Just like "Reunion" just got cancelled right in the middle of the storyline.

[RevCheesehead]

46. We've got a thread in the Lounge on the show, too...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4549632

I'm keeping both windows open. :)

[skiddlybop]

50. Ummmmm....

I think I love this...

really.


Am I supposed to be falling in love with Aidan Quinn?

[RevCheesehead]

51. I know I am!

:bounce:

[Sydnie]

53. Join the crowd

I fell for him when I saw the movie Songcatcher. This character sort of reminds me of that one. Same temperament.

[chimpymustgo]

55. I am. I really like this show. You never know...

Great ending.

[Sydnie]

57. Not over - it's two hours tonight. n/t

[RevCheesehead]

58. That's only the first half!

OMG - the other woman is his sister-in-law!!!!!

[rusty charly]

60. the secretary

is stunning

[RevCheesehead]

70. "I don't tell Methodist jokes."

"I don't think there are any."

:rofl: OH, YES THERE ARE!

[Blue_In_AK]

105. Aidan Quinn - always one of my faves...

[rusty charly]

56. talk to NBC

http://boards.nbc.com/bb/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=261691&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[Sydnie]

101. My goodness - some of those posts are over the top! n/t

[Sydnie]

136. Done - but it is sort of ugly over there!

some hand wringing going on!

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. This show is as funny as it looked like it was going to be!

:thumbsup: I LIKE it!

[carolinalady]

64. speaking as an Episcopalian..I heartily approve!

[HeeBGBz]

65. "You could open up a little roadside stand"

Jesus is funny.

[RevCheesehead]

66. And loveable.

:loveya:

[FreedomAngel82]

125. Yep

Your best friend. :) Like I've always imagined Jesus to be. Real laid back (but serious when needed).

[carolinalady]

128. I think he was exactly like that. He had to be really great to

win the hearts of so many people.

[rusty charly]

67. Kathleen Chalifant

of "Wit" as Aiden's mother.

[Sydnie]

69. I am going to love the Grandmother!

:rofl:

[carolinalady]

73. altzheimers

[Sydnie]

75. I see that now

:cry: I feel bad for laughing now.

[carolinalady]

79. Truth be told.. you have to laugh at some of it or you can't deal.

I used to take care of Altzheimer patients and it is not easy. Laughing is an effective coping mechanism and it doesn't mean that you are being cruel.

[RevCheesehead]

82. I agree.

A clergy friend of mine has a father in early stages of Alzheimer's. He told me he was slowly losing it, by describing a situation, then thinking to himself "OK - you can hide your own Easter Eggs."

It was funny - and sad. I love pathos.

[Maat]

116. My dad's had it for 8 years.

He never got to meet my daughter (she's 9 but came to us at 2).

His is technically not Alzheimers, because they know the cause - 50 years of drinking 24/7.

My dad's in a lockdown facility; he went into a coma (they tried to detox him) 8 years ago; when he came out, he was completely psychotic. And now, he is just a body going on.

[RevCheesehead]

119. I'm so sorry.

It really is a slow, lingering death, isn't it? :hug:

[Maat]

124. Yes,

and the irony is that if you had told my dad twenty years ago this was the way it was going to end, he would probably have just ended it all right then and there.

He always told us he never wanted to live that way.

But things don't always go the way we plan ..

[RevCheesehead]

127. Didn't Jesus say tonight "it's hard for everybody?"

"But that's what makes the end worthwhile."

We don't get to choose the hand we're dealt - all we can do is play the best we can with what we have. Oh yeah - and love and forgive... that makes it easier.

[Maat]

132. Couldn't have said it better!

By the way, DUers, I won't get to see it for awhile - it's on at 9 PM Pacific Standard Time out here. One more half-hour.

[johnnie]

83. True

My grandmother eventually died from it, but sometimes you just had to laugh.

[Sydnie]

80. I am even liking the commercials n/t

[babylonsister]

81. Very similar to 'Desperate Housewives'! nt

[babylonsister]

84. Peter! LMBO!

[RevCheesehead]

85. Is Grandpa a homophobe? Or just in denial?

I think some eyes are going to be opened (in the audience, that is).

[Sydnie]

86. He doesn't know yet

No one has come clean to him about it.

[RevCheesehead]

87. Well, there has to be SOME drama, right?

He probably suspects, but doesn't want to believe.

[RevCheesehead]

88. OMG - Grandpa is boinking the Bishop!!

I'm getting dizzy with all these plot twists!! :rofl:

[johnnie]

89. Lol

Don't blink, you could miss a few more.

[RevCheesehead]

90. Honestly, I can't remember when I enjoyed a show more!

Just wait until the Bishop gets hooked on pills, too.

[Sydnie]

91. Do you think Daniel knows they are doing the nasty? n/t

[RevCheesehead]

94. Noooo.

That one took me completely by surprise. That revelation will probably come in the 5th or 6th episode.

[johnnie]

95. Actually, I enjoyed it too

Unfortunately, I doubt I will be around every Friday night to be able to watch it.

I don't think it was sacrilegious at all. All I saw was people handling reality while trying to keep the faith.

[RevCheesehead]

108. I have no life.

Therefore, I'll be able to watch it every Friday. :)

[Reverend_Smitty]

99. I really liked it too

It was funny and over the top. A really enjoyable show, lets hope it doesn't become a victim of its own crappy timeslot

[FreedomAngel82]

126. I loved her and the Canadian drug thing

LOL.

[InaneAnanity]

92. When can we check ratings??

I'm really hoping this show survives, at least for a while, just to prove that the religious right can't forcibly shut down anything it wants to, at any point.

This is personal for me. Even if I hated the show (which I don't), I'd be fighting for its survival.

[seabeyond]

93. well..... i thought it was good. hook me.

i told hubby the only thing i can see they dont like (the fundies) is you have a bunch of imperfect people and they are still loved

[Sydnie]

97. I agree but you know they will be offended because it's not

Seventh Heaven or Touched By An Angel. Real people have real problems. They seem to deal with them as well as any of us.

[babylonsister]

98. "Book of Daniel" exposes the weaknesses of man in a

really human way.
Challenges face all of us.
I liked this!

[graywarrior]

100. Started slow, stayed slow then picked up and ended well

I'll watch it again.

[Individualist]

102. I liked it

I REALLY liked it!

[MuseRider]

103. How was it?

I watched the first 1/2 hour and then had to go and my recorder did not pick it up :cry:

I was liking what I saw.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. loved it!

i'm probably hooked now. and to think, i probably wouldn't have even watched if it hadn't gotten so much exposure from the "right". they don't know it, but they probably gave the show a lift that it wouldn't have gotten otherwise. i, too, am in love with daniel, and to a lesser degree, peter.

[LizW]

107. I liked it. Jesus is my favorite character.

Funny that they made him look so stereotypically "Jesusy", but he's so cool.

[seabeyond]

109. i like the jesus too. wonderful addition in it. love how they

present him too

[RevCheesehead]

114. It's such a healthy way to express his spirituality.

Maybe Jesus doesn't actually "talk" to me, but I most certainly feel him near, and with me at all times. And yes, that includes the not-so-stellar moments, as well.

[FreedomAngel82]

129. That's how it's supposed to be I think in the show

He's supposed to be a spiritual guide and not anyone else can see but the preacher (notice when he was with the young couple that time when he talked about him and his wife's sex life). I love how they have Jesus just like how I've always imagined him to be: your best friend.

[seabeyond]

131. yup to both of you n/t

[RevCheesehead]

134. yes!

One who laughs, pesters, argues, encourages, and annoys you, yet still loves you unconditionally. That's my Jesus! :loveya:

[babylonsister]

112. I think Jesus was conscience, humility, and honesty, and I'm

not religious!
Or guilty conscience? :)

[FreedomAngel82]

110. I just finished watching

It wasn't too bad. I enjoyed it. Two hours is quite a long time for a debut show. I liked the priest guy. He did a good job with the character and the Jesus guy wasn't so bad. After the show was over our local news came on and the second story they had was about the show and they played some conversations of the show. According to the anchorwoman reporting they had just as many praises (I think she said more). One caller made the point that there are soldiers dying in Iraq and people still having trouble(s) with getting over the natural disasters and here people are worried about a tv show you can easily flip the channel. If we we liberals were trying to take off Pat Robertson off the air they would be going to the ACLU screaming. It's so pathetic.

[AnnieBW]

111. I Was Waiting For It To Get Funny

But we got tired of waiting and switched over to something much better - Battlestar Galactica.

[carolinalady]

122. I thought it was hysterical. n/t

[seabeyond]

135. my husband watched that for the first time tonight

a friend told him to watch it like three weeks ago and he just remembered to turn on tonight. he said it was pretty good. i liked this show though.... i likedthe characters

[NanceGreggs]

115. I can see why the Fundies were up in arms over this ...

Jesus is a regular cast member (and one can only IMAGINE the negotations required to seal THAT deal).

This show's Jesus is all about love, peace, accepting everyone's faults and foibles, but loving them nonetheless.

And then there's the Rev, all-too-human, who also accepts everyone around him, warts and all.

Just NOT the Jesus the Fundies worship. Were this a Fundie 'Jesus' show, the Saviour -- well, first of all, he wouldn't have TIME to be on a TV show, because he's too busy smiting Ariel Sharon and sending hurricanes to places that host gay pride parades.

But if he DID have the time, and AGREED to do a Fundie TV show like this one, he'd been yammerin' to the Rev about disowning his gay son, his lesbian sister-in-law, his adulterous father (the Bishop), and would be encouraging our young pastor to wage war on his neighbours and kill innocent Muslims.

So now you know why the Fundies are so upset -- how dare the rest of the world worship a Prince-of-Peace type Jesus, when there's a perfectly good hate-mongering, war profiteering Jesus out there waiting to be recognized.

[SPKrazy]

121. LOL

:rofl:

[NanceGreggs]

130. Always glad to have given a fellow DUer ...

... a :rofl: moment.

Welcome aboard, Southpawpicker!

:hi:

[Cha]

142. Yeah, that was Good!

My sister watched it and I'm going to have to read your post to her because I already told her that .."the fundies called in two local affilate stations and had "..Daniel" banned". She said, "fundies?"..so then I explained that's what we called the religious ones who were anal retentive.

[FreedomAngel82]

133. Exactly

It's too human. I was surprised my aunt was into the show. I hope she liked it. She's more conservative than I am and around Christmas we were visiting her and she was talking about how good the show looks so I hope she liked it too. I can't wait for next week and I'm glad I now have something to watch on Friday nights! :D

[Nikki Stone 1]

140. I think the fundie furor is about killing ABC's "Injustice" (also 9pm Fri)

"Injustice" is about saving the wrongfully accused. And we know the conservatives don't want THIS one to fly.

:tinfoilhat:

[Erika]

143. A delightful show though a touch too long

It showed the Christ of the New Testament; loving; accepting; and forgiving.

It's a modern day "Waltons" showing the issues now faced rather than hidden and covered-up as was done in the past.

The fundamentalists should be seen as stupid and histrionic for avoiding this vanilla show.

[Jawja]

147. I recognized the Jesus

of the New Testament, as well. After I saw the show, I watched Keith Oberman's show and saw the segment where people were interviewed about their opinion of NBC airing it. This was before the show tonight.

One woman - and I am paraphrasing here - said "it is NOT the Jesus of the Bible;" and I'm shouting at the TV, "Well then you don't really KNOW the Jesus of the Bible, do you??"
And how could come to this conclusion without having seen the show first?

But yes, I really liked Rev. Daniel Webster's image of Jesus as he appeared in the show.

[DawgHouse]

144. I loved it!

I am so glad I set the dvr! Now I've set it to record all future episodes, too. All this and Aidan Quinn too? Who could ask for more?

[babylonsister]

148. Aidan Quinn and Ellen Burstyn(sp)? "Heaven", to coin a phrase! nt

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

149. Dumb. Just dumb.

I guess the show's premise is "gee, um, clergypeople have, like, problems too"; but apparently their problems resolve themselves quite easily. One example: possession of five ounces of pot is a felony everywhere. It earns serious jail time, not community service.

These people's biggest problem is that they're all idiots. You don't leave a suspiciously cancelled check where your boss can find it. You don't blurt out in a police station that you're a pot dealer, not a smoker. (If the daughter really needed 4 grand that bad she could have sold the huge custom Italian tile mounted over the stove in the lavish kitchen of their enormous house. Is that a realistic portrayal of the way Episcopal clergy live? I obviously went into the wrong line of work...)

This show is just another soap opera, and "Soap" covered the subject better back in the 70s. After calling several plot twists (sis and secretary are lovers, the bishops are screwing each other) long before they lumbered across the screen, I hollered "Help me Jebus!" and stopped watching.

[northzax]

150. well they did solve the house problem

his Wife inherited it from her mother. And yes, it's perfectly transparent. But no more so than any other nighttime soap. Of course, it's in teh Friday at Ten Kill Slot, not a place to build a hit.

[SharonRB]

153. It's a TV show -- not reality

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

158. the strength of fiction rests on the creation of a believable world

Doesn't matter if it's 'real' or not. If it's not believable, it's not compelling.

[SharonRB]

154. I loved, loved, loved it

It started off slowly and I thought, hmmm, maybe it's not a comedy after all. But it quickly picked up in the humor department. I thought there were some very funny lines -- I was laughing out loud. It's like Desperate Housewives and Six Feet Under combined. It's got a very dysfunctional family, sex, drugs, religion, illness, etc. all rolled up into one with a good cast and excellent writing. I think it's going to be a great show as it continues to develop. I hope it lasts -- that Friday night slot is never a good sign.

[Boredtodeath]

155. I loved it as well

Hubby missed the first hour because he was working, but he liked it as well.

Definitely a good show. As someone mentioned upstream - like SOAP.

[SharonRB]

156. Yes, but without the laugh track!