Fred Phelps says he's coming to WV

[GrpCaptMandrake]

WCHS TV 8 in Charleston, WV announced Friday night in its late newscast that the Reverend Fred Phelps of Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church will send his "God Hates Fags" world tour to Upshur County, West Virginia to tell the grieving brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, widows and orphans that the miners in Sago #1 because it is punishment from God for tolerating homosexuality.

Really.

No kidding.

Story should be posting in the next few hours at www.wchstv.com

[Beelzebud]

1. This could be interesting. I hope they maul him and his band of freaks.

metaphorically speaking, of course. :D

[GrpCaptMandrake]

2. Less metaphor

More ____________________________. :spank: :banghead:

[A Simple Game]

52. And let's hope that metaphorically speaking

they get it on tape, and play it every 10 minutes.

[DS1]

3. posted many times today

wchstv is just slow

He's planning on being there, DU has already crossed its collective fingers in hoping that him and his crowd are chased outta town ( yes, that's the censored version )

[rucky]

4. Sometimes I suspect that Phelps is actually one of us...

working in a sort of reverse COINTELPRO operation.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. He does have ties to the democratic party

He ran for president in the late 80's as a democrat and he has ties to Al Gore.

[rucky]

8. no shit?

bizarre. I was just goofing around.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Yes, I believe so

He was invited by Gore to both inaugration's of Clinton's.

Link: http://www.logcabinwa.com/archive/200010251159.shtml (and pictures too)

[Sydnie]

13. So, Tippers Stickers might have been his idea?

I always wondered where that came from.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. No he was out of favor with Gore by then

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Ah got ya

Gore has progressed a lot over the years as well. I know he used to be against the government funding abortions and voting against that when he was younger. People's opinions and views do change over the years and I think Gore is pretty progressive now days.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Don't know

I quite frankly like knowing about the music I'm going to buy and movies and I like being able to monitor what my someday kids will watch and I don't like a lot of violence stuff either so I like knowing that. It's just a freakin sticker that you can throw away. Especially when I'm someday going to be, hopefully, a parent.

[Charlie Brown]

28. I believe he picketed the funeral of Gore's father

Any connection this nutjob had w/the Gore family has long since fizzled out.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=184

1988
Phelps provides rooms for Democrat Al Gore's presidential campaign workers. Though the Phelps-Gore connection will grow increasingly distant, Phelps' oldest son, Fred Jr., is invited to the first Clinton-Gore inauguration in 1993.

By 1998, Gore will be seen as such an enemy by WBC that its members picket the funeral of Gore's father.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Yes, I remember reading that

Gore's dad supported gay people didn't he?

[Divine Discontent]

30. hopefully there's more to the story

and thanks for the check out post #10. I hope for Al Gore's sake, he's changed his opinion... wish someone could tell us.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. I haven't heard

I haven't heard if he's still in contact with him. :shrug: Haven't heard anything and I'm sure it'd be reported somewhere.

[CBHagman]

44. The following links explain more about Al Gore's positions.

Here's the Mother Jones article on Phelps, with some information about the Gore family:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1999/03/lauerman.html

"The Rev. Fred Phelps stands out from a block away. Sixty-nine years old, Phelps is tall and reedy; his white hair billows out from under a cowboy hat. Like a latter-day Moses, he holds in each hand bright yellow-and-orange posters: 'Baptist 666 Fags' and 'Matt in Hell.' You need to get closer, though, to recognize the accompanying photographs: the Rev. Jerry Falwell and Matthew Shepard, the 21-year-old Wyoming man beaten to death because he was gay.

"It's December 8 in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, the day of the funeral for Al Gore Sr., a former senator and the vice president's father. Gore has earned Phelps' ire because, according to Phelps, his son 'sold his soul to the fag agenda.' Falwell earned it partly because he called Phelps a 'first-class nut.' And Shepard -- 'that little fag,' as Phelps refers to him -- earned it, well, by being gay. It's in this way, a Day-Glo vision of defiant hatred, that Phelps wants the world to see him."

Various stuff from the past decade and more:

http://www.aegis.com/news/ads/1993/AD931690.html

"The Clinton administration's new health care system guarantees 'health security' for people infected with HIV/AIDS, promised Tipper Gore Saturday at the 1993 capital 'Aidswalk.' 'In many ways, AIDS and other chronic diseases represent the ultimate test of a reformed health care system,' said Gore, wife of Vice President Al Gore, as she kicked off the event. Sources said that over 10,000 participants marched in the walk, raising over $1.25 million for local AIDS education, research, and care. The event was sponsored by the Whitman-Walker Clinic."

I also recall hearing that the Gores were staunch supporters of the Whitman-Walker clinic in D.C. On edit: While the clinic is not exclusively for the gay and lesbian community, it has a long record of support in and service to the GLBT community in the D.C. area.

Human Rights Campaign/Common Dreams article:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0211-01.htm

I hope this helps clarify things.

[radio4progressives]

49. This is weird... hmm,, And Gore lives in the Gay Capital of America

Just moved to San Francisco a few weeks ago, which set off some interesting speculation about making a run for governor in the next election or something...

hmmm... it will be interesting to see what his agenda is.. If speculations about him making a run for Govenor, he might be trying to disavow this connection by smooozing it up with most wealthy gay community in the state.

Just speculating.... thazzall i'm doin' ...jest speculatin'.... ;)

[Nikki Stone 1]

11. On my tinfoil hat days, I agree with you

:tinfoilhat:

[FreedomAngel82]

5. No shame at all

Disgusting jerk.

[Sydnie]

6. Check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x58039

There is a link there for the flyer they put out. Disgusting pigs all of them. I sent the link to the flyer to Olbermann. Hope he shows it on air and exposes these bastards.

[Botany]

9. buddy!

I know that part of W.Va.

If Phelps and his gang want to wind up d**d then they should go
to Tallsmanville, W.Va. and bother those people during a funeral.

Please Mr. Phelps go there ..... you will be very lucky to come back.

[Sydnie]

12. That's what I said when I first heard about it too

and it won't be the men he has to fear. It will be the women! They will gut him like a deer and serve him up for the dogs to eat!

:loveya: Wish I was there. I would drag your butt over there with me to try to stop them from disrupting things for those families.

[Erika]

14. Agreed. Women will do the job without a 2nd thought.

Just another religious fanatic.

[Divine Discontent]

15. without a DOUBT

they would... one of my parents is from that area, and they respect differences, but they will NOT respect, in the SLIGHTEST, someone coming in and desecrating on their time of grieving..


he may get 86'd.

seriously.

and I can't believe the Gore connection, seriously? proof, please?

[FreedomAngel82]

20. See my post ten

Here is an old picture:



I don't know if he still is in contact with him or anything like that, but apparently they used to be friends and Gore invited Phelps to both Clinton's inaugration's as a special guest since at the time they were friends.

[niyad]

24. check out this piece in the harvard crimson--

http://www.waf.org/familyarchives/relijus/AntiGayKansans.htm

[niyad]

31. I guess that suing the **** out of people who have had enough of one's

hate-filled presence must be very lucrative. In the article, he says that he and his fellow nutbars spend about $250,000 per year traveling. (of course, it also said there were about 213 members, when the last I read--there were about 50--and pretty nearly all in-bred, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging relatives)

[GrpCaptMandrake]

51. You're probably very close to the truth

Phred Phelps' daughter is a lawyer. Wanna bet her practice covers their expenses?

[Botany]

Buddy!

I would fear the men too. They don't fuck around.


http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/us_2001/west_virginia_ref_2001.pdf

Click on the link go due South of Buckhannon about 10 miles .... along the river
and 1 or 2 miles due east ..... up into the hills.

That town of Tallsmanville is @ the end of the road.

Please Phelps Go there.

[Sydnie]

19. Darlin', I'm from Charleston and my mom's dad was a coal miner

and out of all the miners and their wives that I knew, it was the women that scared me. They are the type to be plowing the field, stop, squat, give birth, throw the baby over their shoulders and call for the horse to move on. The men are tough, but the women ... whooooooo boy, don't mess with them.

[Botany]

21. Oh you are right about the women ....

I went to College in S.E. Ohio (Athens) and I have spent more the my share of
time in the hills. And i have camped, skied, and done a little wild stuff in W. Va, too.

I got to know some good old boys and their kin ..... the men can be mighty fierce too.
"Lots of space up in those hollows where somebody might get lost."

I really hope Phelps goes ..... and the W.Va. State Police (the locals would stay the hell out)
don't interfere ...... Outsiders bothering folks @ burial ..... hell some 13 year boy would do the
job.

[Botany]

16. dupe

[NI4NI]

17. I agree with Mike Malloy

Phelps should be "raptured" if you know what I mean.

[cliss]

18. Fred Phelps won't go.

He's just a big attention-getter. Back in September, Phelps said he was going to Sweden to "kill the King because he's a Fag Lover". The Secret Service was involved. There were articles about this man in the Swedish newspapers.

We were all crossing our fingers that he would go. He would be thrown in jail the minute he landed in Stockholm.

He never went. He's just a big Blowhard Whimp.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. I respectfully disagree

He did go to Sweden.

But I do agree he is a blowhard.

[raysr]

22. Tell him there's

some gays way down in the Sago mine that sez he sucks d..k!

[Charlie Brown]

23. This man is mentally deranged

I think he's certifiable. No kidding.

[johnfunk]

25. I hope those muscular, righteous miners beat the shit out of Phelps

I am honestly surprised that nobody seems to have laid a hand on this hatemongering charlatan. Turn the other cheek? Hell, I think he's a coward, and a few broken ribs would end his incessant harassment.

[FVZA_Colonel]

38. "a few broken ribs would end his incessant harassment."

My fear is that this would just give him ammunition.

[bluestateguy]

29. Is it hunting season in West Virginia?

Just asking...

[JVS]

36. Let the healing begin!

;-)

[NMMNG]

37. I triple-dog dare him to go

I'd love to see him get what he deserves, and I'm sure the people of W.V. are just the folks to give it to him. :evilgrin:

[lies and propaganda]

39. are you telling me he is going there because they are gay friendly?

Is this a different West Virginia then i think?
This guy is so far off his goddamned rocker.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

40. Here's how it works in Phelpsworld:

1) All gays are evil;

2) America doesn't execute gay people;

therefore

3) America is evil.

4) God punishes evil.

therefore

5) God is punishing America.

I know, I know. The old fool's nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake/crazier than a sprayed roach/battier than a church belfry. But that's how he "reasons." It's not about West Virginia. It's about an evil world sorly in need of a good damning.

[Berry Cool]

41. No, it's not; it's about a pathology. A group pathology.

I finally read the Wikipedia entry about Fred Phelps last night. I don't think we are dealing with a person whose twisted logic even makes sense in Bizarroworld. Nope. The only way Phelps and his church make ANY sense at all is if you conclude that he is a person with a pathological need (perhaps because it gives him some sort of sexual gratification) to hate and revile others.

There is no rhyme or reason for his hate, although he seems to have glommed onto gays as being especially worthy and created some sort of mythology that America deserves to have bad things happen to it because it hasn't yet executed its entire gay population. But we're talking about a man who has persuaded an entire church full of people to believe that whenever anything bad happens to ANYONE who is not part of their group, it is cause for rejoicing.

That's not just anti-gay. That's sick.

It does not surprise me, after having read about them, that they'd be rejoicing over this latest tragedy. It's what they do. Phelps's church is defined by the basic core belief that its members are going to heaven and that everyone else is going to hell--so the sooner they die and go there, the better. Phelps and his group even make a point of saying that the only thing that saddens them in a mass tragedy is that MORE people didn't die. I'm sure they're even now expressing deep sorrow that one of the miners has survived this long.

There's just no way to even call this a legitimate religion. Phelps and his people are like Jim Jones and the People's Temple. They don't always do everything they promise to do, but if they do this and it ends up being another mess like that was, the scary thing is that nobody should be surprised.

[davsand]

42. Fred's required permit to protest at WV miners' funerals

He should be required to wear it at all times while in the state:

[benburch]

43. I think you could find some coal miners to "greet" Fred.

A few bruises and missing teeth would make him think twice about doing this again.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

45. This is a miner's boot

It would do the trick nicely!

http://www.georgiaboot.com/lehigh_shell.cfm?sectionname=footwear&pagename=individual&shoecatalognumber=1601G8380

[benburch]

46. When I worked in the steel mill I had almost exactly that boot!

Except it was tan. I wonder where those went? I just looked where I remember putting them 22 years ago, in the rafters in the basement, and there are only cobwebs...

[KamaAina]

47. Huh? Was the mine on Brokeback Mountain or something?

that the miners in Sago #1 because it is punishment from God for tolerating homosexuality.

:grr:

Hmmm... now I'm wondering just where Rev. Schicklgruber, um, I mean Phelps gets all the money for these wild escapades of his. I mean, really, his church membership is somewhere between six and eight, yet somehow he always manages to be where the action is. He even turned up in front of O'ahu's oldest and well-respected church with not only the "Fag Church" sign but a shiny all-new one just for us: "God Hates Hawaii"! :eyes:

[pinto]

48. It's a cult. Someone should have called Child Protective Svcs long ago.

[Tsiyu]

50. Well, he is probably gay himself, since the closeted types seem to be

the ones who are most enraged by other homosexuals.

** stands up and says he will defend the sanctity of marriage while allowing a male prostitute in the White House. Southern Baptist Imam Lathem (sp?) was just arrested in Oklahoma trying to solicit male sex after preaching about the sin of homosexuality.

So the best way to get this old coot's goat is to encourage him to come out of the closet, admit who he is and get some therapy.

"Come out Come out

Wherever you are!"