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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:30 PM
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Has Pat Robertson attributed to god, yet, the tragedy in WV
for WV breaking away from the Virginia in 1863 (I think)?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:31 PM
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1. no it is probably because the state allows Unions to exist
even though the issue of safety in the WV mines is reportedly much more serious at Nonunion mines.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:33 PM
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2. The tragedy in WV was caused by greed and stupidity.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:40 PM
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5. Not to Pat Robertson, it was not (nt)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:48 PM
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7. Pat Robertson is a charlatan who has made millions conning
gullible Americans.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:37 PM
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3. Evangelicals seem to be distancing themselves.
I was at my CHurch this morning helping take down all the CHristmas decorations. (sorry could not resist). THe CHurch is a political from the Pulpit and in the programming. But fairly conservativc and mostly republicans...anyway

I was helping the elders take down the arifiical tree anf we got to talking about Robertson... THey both think the guy has gone around the Bend.. One of them actually voted for him in 1988. Both in their 60s.

Just an anecdote. but I think indicative of where things may be headed for the 700 club.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:36 AM
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14. Yep
On this one Christian board I frequent people there don't like him either and think he's out of line a lot.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:39 PM
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4. Is there any substantive difference...
at least in tactics and message, between Robertson and Fred Phelps?

I think not. In style? Yes.
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adduco Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:47 PM
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6. only problem
... with Robertson's comments (in addition, of course, to being inherently nutty) is that they were aimed at Sharon instead of his usual targets. This will only temper Roberton's nuttiness in the eyes of Freepers by allowing them to say, "see, he's nuts on both sides".

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:54 PM
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8. Nice observation adduco and welcome to DU
:toast: :bounce:
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adduco Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:33 AM
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11. thanks
Nice to meet you.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:36 AM
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15. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 01:04 PM
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9. The difference between Robertson and Phelps is this:
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 01:12 PM by BerryBush
Robertson actually bothers to put on the cloak of a man who is simply interpreting the Bible and who has divined that God is punishing people because of what the Bible says (whether you believe in his nonsensical interpretation of the Bible or not).

Phelps doesn't even bother with that. In the world according to Phelps, the whole world except for Phelps and his church has offended God (failing to condemn and kill gay people is but the chiefest amongst our many sins) and therefore we are all going to hell. And, in his eyes, the faster we all die and go there, the better. This is why Phelps and his minions rejoice at tragedies that cause mass deaths of other people.

Robertson doesn't rejoice at tragedy. He shakes his head sorrowfully as he blames the terrible misfortune on people's failure to do God's will as Robertson interprets it. He implies that if only people would turn around and stop doing what he believes offends God, the tragedies would not happen. (I'm not saying he's right, I'm just saying, that's his logic, convoluted though it is.)

Phelps doesn't even use that much logic or have that much compassion. He doesn't even try to cry crocodile tears for the sins of the world as he sees them. Quite the opposite: He WANTS you to to know that tragedies like the mine disaster, Katrina, the London bombings, the tsunami, and, yes, 9/11 make him and his followers DELIRIOUS with joy. He wants you to know exactly how happy they are and how much they're partying. In fact, he makes a point of letting you know that his only sadness is that MORE people didn't die.

Now, you can commend him for the honesty and candidness of his hatred, vs. the way Robertson cloaks his with a shroud of self-righteousness and mock compassion. Or, you can do what I do: just say to yourself "This is one pathologically sick bunch of people."

I guess I think to myself that Robertson, as awful as he is, is the lesser of the two evils because maybe if he were persuaded as to the illogic and hate behind what he does, he could actually change his ways. Especially if the empire that made him rich for believing and spreading this kind of nonsense came crashing down around him.

I don't think Phelps is redeemable. I think he's a sickie who actually gets off on, NEEDS, other people to be miserable in order to be happy. And if that's so, there's just nothing you can do to cure that.

On edit: I am willing to avow that the mere fact that Robertson APPEARS more logical, at least to conservatives, may actually make him more dangerous...because it's easy for them to dismiss Phelps as a wacko who "goes too far" while thinking Robertson makes some sense. Yes, that is a bit frightening. But I still fear pure evil more than I fear mistaken thinking. And I believe Phelps is pure evil.

It's like, if I was cornered in a secluded place by a man who looked as if he might hurt me, would I rather it be a man who was angry at his girlfriend for dumping him, or would I rather it be a guy who had no reason for cornering me other than that he liked to torture, rape and kill? With Guy #1, I have maybe half a chance of talking him out of projecting his anger at his girlfriend onto me. I can maybe talk him down, make him see reason. But with Guy #2...unless I can somehow escape him...I'm a goner. He picked me because I was there and he's going to destroy me because it gives him pleasure. Ain't nothing you can do about that.

It's the same with Phelps and his gang. They do what they do not because it has helped them gain riches and political power. They just do it because it gets them off.

Sick.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:38 AM
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16. Good review of both
I'd say you summed it up. The BBC had this great documentary on Phelps and his "church." I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty good. A BBC reporter just talked to them and snuck in a camera to one of their services and followed them around. He even at the end talked to two of Phelps' daughters and they're just as insane.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:13 PM
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10. Hi adduco!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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adduco Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:34 AM
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12. thanks
Nice to meet you, too, newyawker99!


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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:35 AM
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13. Don't worry, Fred Phelps has him covered.
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