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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:45 PM
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Progressive Democrats of America: Way to make DINOS act like Democrats?
...before it's too late?

We need a left of center coalition to pressure Democratic party leaders and legislators to start acting like Democrats IMMEDIATELY. Instead of sloughing off interests and votes they think they can afford to lose, or have in the bag because "you don't have anywhere else to go-- heh heh heh!"-- instead of letting DINOS think they can ignore whatever's left of the Left, the Real Democrats need to pressure the DINOS into representing the people and not the private interests they are beholden to.

At the Town Hall Forum I attended today, the Progressive Democrats of America seemed to be the group that is already doing this. Why is there zero visibility of PDA on DU? Why do we have these personal flareups about who's moderate and what's center and which direction to pull in-- when something like this organization already exists? This is what we ALL need to be working on-- building that coalition that represents the will of the people and gets us our country back. Eh?

"PDA combines progressive idealism with tough-minded pragmatism. During its first ten months, this national organization has jumped into key battles on Capitol Hill while starting to build a grassroots network that has the potential to transform the Democratic Party. Whether pro-war corporate boosters continue to dominate the Party may depend, in large measure, on whether PDA can keep growing."
- Norman Solomon, syndicated columnist and author of War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death

http://www.pdamerica.org

Copyright © 2004-2005 Progressive Democrats of America • All text available for public use with appropriate attribution.

Vision

We are committed in word and action, both personally and politically, to justice and democracy at all levels, and to the preservation and restoration of natural ecosystems in America and worldwide.

We are specifically committed to the realization of new models for achieving local, national and global security that redirect the current wasteful and obscene levels of military spending toward the uncompromising and effective funding of: health and education programs; an end to discrimination; the provision of full and meaningful employment; and an end to poverty for all people.

We believe with Robert F. Kennedy, that the Gross National Product is a false measure of progress and must be replaced by the quality of life as a standard for American achievement.

Strategy

To achieve these goals, we dedicate ourselves to work within the general framework of the Democratic Party and with sister organizations to create a new, democratic, grassroots-based, nationally federated organization.

Through this organization we shall endeavor, over a period of years, to build an unstoppable coalition of the hundreds of millions of Americans who would benefit from a taking back of our democracy, our economy, and our institutions from the "moneyed interests" warned of by Jefferson and the "military-industrial complex" described by Eisenhower: those who would rob from Americans our precious rights of informed self-governance.

Mindful of the continuing important differences between Republican and Democratic political values, yet fully aware of how much better Democratic candidates and elected officials must be to save our people and our planet from destruction, we dedicate ourselves to beginning the long, patriotic, nonviolent, and ultimately unstoppable process of transforming the Democratic Party.

Toward this end, we will educate ourselves, our neighbors, and our fellow Americans to the demonstrable validity of the progressive worldview, and mobilize our fellow Americans precinct by precinct, congressional district by congressional district, state by state, first to take back the Democratic Party and then our great country from the global corporate interests that currently dominate our lives.

Plan
We will accomplish these goals through the dedicated and deliberate process of working with thousands of individual and organizational allies to identify, within each local precinct or political district, supporters of civil and labor rights, real environmental protection, women's rights, the rights of the poor, consumer rights, and the right to live life in peace, free from racism, discrimination and institutional domination.

We will support grassroots chapters with local databases, publicity, educational materials, regional organizers, trainings, and funding.

We will strategically target those many districts where progressives are a strong majority to ensure that our demands are fully voiced by those we elect.

We will encourage all activists to work diligently to: fully educate themselves and their neighbors; to engage in local political organizing both in progressive caucuses within the Democratic Party and outside of the Party, and, perhaps most importantly; to create real and lasting connections to those of different political views and the apolitical or cynical by organizing meaningful, tangible "good works" in their communities - from stream cleanups, to mentor and after school programs, to local community development activities that create jobs.

Our spheres of concern, our volunteers, our staff, and our leadership will reflect a rainbow, as diverse and beautiful as America herself, at whose feet our pot of gold will be found: a renewed nation, respectful of the rule of law at home and abroad, fully integrated into and respectful of the world of nations and peoples, and re-grounded on the universal values of human dignity, justice, and environmental sanity.




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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:47 PM
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1. Define DINO
n/t
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:49 PM
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2. Democrat in Name Only
ie, Dems who vote like Republicans. Prime example: Lieberman.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:55 PM
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4. Lieberman, eh?
I see....
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:13 AM
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12. .
:rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:53 PM
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3. I mean, good thread and all, but I really can't figure out what exactly
it is that you want us to do. Was this just a thread for us to say "yeah, PDA rocks!"? Or is there something you want us to do for PDA? I'm just not sure what the outcome you intended from this thread is.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 11:57 PM
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5. Thank you so much!
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 12:02 AM by stlsaxman
I went to the site- immediately bookmarked it and plan on doing what I can either financially or flat out work. You are right- we gotta do what we can while we can- and we gotta do it now!

pull up your bootstraps folks, let's get riding!

on edit- listen to Mimi Kennedy's End of the Year Audio Message while you're there. Gives you a feel for what PDA is about.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:04 AM
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9. If we see need for progressive coalition, pushing & a group already exists
might as well get GOING :kick: :bounce: :hi:

It's 2006!!!!!!!!!!11 fer gawsh sakes
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:01 AM
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6. Zero visibility? kevin_pdamerica and Will Pitt might take issue with that.
I agree, tho. PDA is exactly the vehicle for Progressives to take back our party.

NGU.


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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:16 AM
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15. Seems an excellent tool for herding cats on DU, too
I apologize if I have totally missed something here--

Maybe the acronym flew by in some thread where PDA was mentioned but I don't recall seeing a discussion of what PDA is doing......... is there a certain area this is being discussed or organized?

Someone below mentions "third party" but RIGHT NOW we need a coalition of all those who would vote with the Democrats if they would act like Democrats. (Including Greens? Get them to help push?) And PDA seems to be doing that.

Of course the Repug house of cards may fold soon, too....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:29 AM
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16. Herding cats on DU?
That is a wee bit insulting. I will be quite frank. Many of us feel that the best way to go right now is to work to rebuild the Democratic party from within.

That group is composed of many who are not and never have been Democrats. Some are, many are not and never will be. There are a huge number of Kucinich supporters there, many Greens, and a few Nader folks. Some of the ones, NOT all, some...who supported Kucinich have a great disdain for Howard Dean for some reason. They make no effort to recognize the good that the party does.

There are a whole lot of very good Democrats, and I believe they do not recognize that enough.

The goal of many is 3rd party. If Dean succeeds there will not be as much demand. I may be speaking more as a moderate than anything else, which is what I am. I am liberal on social issues, but not on some others. But I see danger if some keep trying to undermine the party. The leaders of PDA have access to Governor Dean, and they should be very careful about unfair criticism.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:46 AM
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17. Given the circle wanks and silly slap fights that rage for 100's
of posts, it's up to you, I guess, to be a "wee bit" insulted by the herding cats cliche. There is so much potential here and after an energizing Town Hall Forum, learning about PDA shows that AT LEAST (emphasis, not yelling) THE EFFORT IS BEING MADE. If there is potential there, there's no need to reinvent the wheel at this late date.

I appreciate your feedback. I don't know about all the various infighting that may be going on. A third party is not feasible right now-- that coalition may be FORCED to form a third party, if the Democratic Party continues to be another wing of the Republicans.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:53 AM
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20. I don't like "circle wanks", but I stand up for what I believe.
If that is what you are referring to, then so be it. As to the silly slap fights, well I guess that goes to definition and viewpoint.

I hope you are not accusing me of such for expressing an opinion. I work with a group in addition to DNC that is also working for change in the party. I made my choice because I don't think 3rd party will fly...and it will give the power right back to the GOP.

I have no aversion to running candidates against our Democrats who are actually acting like Republicans. I have a great aversion to going after one man who is sincere. I will speak up on that.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:05 AM
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21. I'm interested in any group that is pressing for change for the better
in the Democratic Party.

What if there was a coalition of ALL the groups that want to see change, that want to see a REAL Democratic Party? Worth entertaining the thought?

If you want to share more about the "a group in addition to DNC" that'd be good. Or more about the comments you made about PDA?

"But what they do is use the chairman who is working to change things...and when he gets attacked by the right wing they are ready on the left."

The more we get together, the better. If PDA is already an effective vehicle, or if there are already others headed in the right direction, we don't need to reinvent the wheel.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:14 AM
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22. DFA came the month after Dean dropped out of the race.
I think it would be great to have a whole group of progressives working together. But it does not seem to work that way yet. I think you are saying that the PDA is the only one going in the right direction, and that the DNC is trying to reinvent the wheel. Correct me if I misread.

Hey, I think the motives of many in the group are quite good. But when they choose to undermine the DNC so often, then I will speak out.

I gripe a whole lot about the DLC, the DCCC, and DSCC which are already trying to run candidates that in many cases are too far to the right for me. But that is NOT the DNC doing it, they are trying to rebuild at local and state levels....it is necessary.

So if a group REALLY wants to be a part of the Democrats, why not pressure the groups that are doing the stuff that will keep our party going to the right so far. Why pressure the DNC, the group that Dean is trying to rebuild with the people more in mind...the small donors. Why not send Dear Rahm letters, and Dear Chuck Schumer letters...saying we don't want any more anti-choice candidates being picked. Saying we don't want any more Republican millionaires being drafted to run as Democrats. Why just the DNC and Dean?

See my thinking? Pressure the right people.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:25 AM
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23. "Pressure the right people sounds" good to me
"I think you are saying that the PDA is the only one going in the right direction, and that the DNC is trying to reinvent the wheel. Correct me if I misread."

That's not what I meant... I am not really up on the factions or the infighting, so you may be filtering my curiousity thru some of your own assumptions.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:33 AM
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25. That's possible.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:01 AM
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7. They do not just go after DINOs.
Many of the group do not see a difference in the Democrats at all. I was a member for a while, but I think they have overdone the pressure on the "good" Democrats who really speak up and stand up for what they believe.....and not put ANY pressure on the ones who got us in the war and voted for corporations so much.

They need to stop attacking the "good" Democrats....and really go after the DINOs. Trouble is they don't seem to know the difference.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:06 AM
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10. Are they that harsh toward the good Dems?
Maybe I'm being a little too enthusiastic. :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:11 AM
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11. I guess it depends on point of view.
I think it has great possibilities, but they often let Nader and Green tendencies toward 3rd party desires show. That bothers me, as I don't think a 3rd party is feasible right now. I think that is most likely the goal ultimately. I can not in good conscience do that right now. I intend to work to change the party from inside, even if it takes a while.

It is good to hold feet to the fire, but some have been merciless about holding the wrong feet to the fire.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:26 AM
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24. I'd suggest that those "3rd party desires" are in direct proportion
to the degree people think the Democratic Party is too far to the right and does not represent their viewpoints.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:39 AM
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26. But which part of the Democratic party. People seem unaware.
The part that so often they pressure is the one that is really trying to change. The DNC with Dean is chairman is the division of the party that is trying to give the party back to the people by a financial restructuring. Leaders of PDA have a way to contact Dean, so there is no excuse for their misrepresenting what he is trying to do.

YET..that is the only wing they really put pressure on.

We need to not let the DLC, the DCCC, the DSCC keep insisting on running candidates to appeal more to the moderate Republicans than to us.

I don't like their recruiting so many who are anti-choice, then saying it does not matter. I don't like their recruiting millionaires who are Republican, just so they can finance their own campaigns. That is not winning. Why not pressure them?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:46 PM
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33. Very well put-- in synch with what was just said above
"We need to not let the DLC, the DCCC, the DSCC keep insisting on running candidates to appeal more to the moderate Republicans than to us.

"I don't like their recruiting so many who are anti-choice, then saying it does not matter. I don't like their recruiting millionaires who are Republican, just so they can finance their own campaigns. That is not winning. Why not pressure them? "
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:52 PM
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34. Absolutely right. Plus, efforts at Republican Lite backfire with those
in the middle, Independent, undecideds, etc, who will vote for a real Republican.

And here's a hint: A lot more of those middle folks are extremely concerned about the environment than faux Dems may realize.

Nicely put, High Plains :yourock:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:14 AM
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13. See post #8.
That is just one example. Many feel that undermining the Democrats will force them to pay attention. If Dean succeeds in changing and rebuilding the party, then there won't be as much call for 3rd party.

Ok, I am for a little of that. But what they do is use the chairman who is working to change things...and when he gets attacked by the right wing they are ready on the left. I don't like that.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:02 AM
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8. if we take our money....
....our votes and our energy and start building a 3rd Party....that might get the corporatists attention....if we develop a sizable following, the Dems will usurp our ideas....wa_la....
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:47 AM
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18. I know you don't mean that
:smoke:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:47 AM
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32. I'm cheering for all progressives and Dean....
....in and out of the Party, but I want to see if the Dem Party is going to become a peoples party again, and soon....it's not today because of corporate influence and design....what's going to change that?....

....we can beg, plead and protest but without having a progressive alternative we won't even get the corporatists attention....we'll be ABB'ed well into the future because we have no serious place else to go....

....today, if a repug gets elected, corporations win....if a moderate Dem or DINO gets elected corporations win most of the time....corporations write their own legislation, for heavens sakes....they've spent big-money in both partys to have it THEIR way....

....IMO, the corporatists and their external corporate allies will destroy any progressive grassroots movement from within the Dem Party that looks like it might succeed and challenge corporate control of the Party....I might wrong or not understand what's going on....but thats my story and I'm stickin' to it....

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:14 AM
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14. PDA is great.
For me it is the best group to support.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:49 AM
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19. Nuff said
Thanks MuseRider.

They seem to have the grassroots AND the legislative both goin on.

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:41 AM
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27. I've come to the conclusion that this question is academic
until we secure our elections.

And I mean that as seriously as I've ever meant a sentence.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:04 AM
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30. How bout a coalition that promotes election/campaign finance reform?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:21 AM
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31. We need to insist on getting rid of the Dem eating machines first
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 03:22 AM by sfexpat2000
or we are whistling into the wind.

And the good news: Diebold is failing hack tests, their stock is tanking, they have been kicked out of NC. (Thank you, Kelvin Mace!)

We need, as Andy used to insist, a voter verified paper ballot.

This is not some abstract point.

If you can't recount the vote, how do you know who won?

Who can prove that Chimp won?

:)

:kick:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:55 PM
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35. Right -- isn't that called "election reform"?
Hey, did your area have a Town Hall Forum on Saturday?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:15 PM
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36. I had to work Saturday but I believe there was at least one
action here in San Francisco yesterday. Can't remember if it was against the war or against Scalito.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:14 AM
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28. I think we have to make a pact with the Dems
that if they support a progressive candidate, we will walk the US knocking on doors, educating people, persuade them to vote the candidate, and to pay no attention to the viscious swipes from the GOP.

I think they are simply worried that corn-fed Middle America won't get a progressive candidate.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:50 PM
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37. Middle American already "gets it"-- the truth is now mainstreamed
"I think they are simply worried that corn-fed Middle America won't get a progressive candidate. "

Corporate shill Democrats are "simply worried" about facing their addiction to dirty money and facing their constituents honestly.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:06 PM
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38. I think you've put the cart before the horse.
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 07:07 PM by AtomicKitten
And I don't think Middle America is mainstreamed at all. They are just starting to get a clue that something is amiss in government. I know that seems unbelievable, but keep in mind middle America accounts for much of the target of misinformation.

I think the DNC wants to win and that outweighs any of the nefarious addictions you speak of.

My point is that if the DNC can be convinced a win is possible with a progressive candidate, it wouldn't make sense NOT to support him/her. It is the consensus among pundits traditionally that Dems can only win with a centrist, and it is up to us to change that notion.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:00 AM
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39. Another way to look at it (we're talkin about the same thing)
is-- rather than try to convince that a "progressive" candidate is safe bet with "mainstream" voters, show Dem leaders that mainstream voters already identify with values, issues and solutions that once would have been considered progressive or even "radical."

The center has shifted to the left. The Democrats need to catch up.

:kick:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:38 AM
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29. DINO's will act like Democrats when they have to get real jobs
rather than whoring-as-usual rubbing their asses against any corporate wallet that comes sniffing around.
I have no respect for DINO's just like I despise TV news traitors.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:43 AM
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40. There is a PDA DU group
I suspect it doesn't get used much because most of its members are too busy doing stuff to have the time to write about it as well.
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