Was Nostradamus on to "dubieux" in the 1500's?

[Sugarcoated]

From the website of John Houge, "Rogue" scholar, world authority on Nostradamus and the prophetic traditions of the world, I found these fascinating quatrains:

Vn dubieux ne viendra loing du regne,
La plus grand part le voudra soustenir:
Vn Capitole ne voundra point qu'il regne,
Sa grande change ne pourra maintenir.

A doubtful one will not come far from the realm,
The greater part will want to support him:
A Capitol, will not want him to rule at all,
His great burden he will not be able to maintain.

Nostradamus had a passion for hiding major historical figures behind their nicknames, especially if the nickname draws a wicked pun in old French. He only used the word "dubieux" (dubious or doubtful one) and its variant "dubieuse" once in over 36,000 words of his major prophetic work about the future of the world. The rarity is significant. It brings interpretive pressure to bare on its application to one important person in his future history, rather than using this word generally. An obscure Nostradamus prophecy becomes clear when an interpreter uses the right word as a key that unlocks its secrets. The word "dubieux/dubieuse" unlocks two quatrains (6 Q13 and 6 Q95) revealing a similar theme of two leaders, a father and son, and their checkered destinies. Are these the father--former President George Herbert Walker Bush (1988-1992)--and his son, George W. Bush?

This leader, at least from Nostradamus' point of view is a doubtful and dubious one. That means he is someone that bears the burden of illegitimacy in the seat of power. He could be one untrained and unprepared for the job thrust to him by means or the fate of being born the scion of either a royal or political dynasty. He is a "doubtful" man expected to follow his father to the seat of power who is less equipped emotionally and intellectually for the job. It is someone who could have great visions without a grasp of reality to see them fulfilled...

Now to the second Nostradamus quatrain using the word "doubtful" as a link. I believe it continues the vision of 6 Q13. The quatrain is the 95th entry from the same Century or "Volume" of Nostradamus' prophetic work: Century 6 Quatrain 95. Many times the prophet continued his account of a vision in a second quatrain placed somewhere out of sequence in the same volume. This prophecy may continue the tale, shining more light on exactly what makes a second term of a Bush presidency such an unmaintainable "burden" that the Congress in "the Capitol" do not want him to rule. The prophecy reads:

Par detracteur calumnié à puis nay.
Quand istront faicts enormes & martiaux:
La moindre part dubieuse à l'aisnay,
Et tost au regne seront faicts partiaux.

By the detractor calumny (lodged) against the younger born.
When enormous and warlike deeds will go on:
The least part doubtful for the elder one,
And soon in the kingdom there will be patrician deeds.

"patrician" could mean the obvious, but it could also mean "Patrick"? As in Fitzgerald?

For a more:
http://www.hogueprophecy.com

[savemefromdumbya]

1. LOL! Dubya and Pat!

[staticstopper]

16. Why did I read it as "Diebold" ???

n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

2. Probably not

A lot of Nostradamus' stuff pertained to political tyrants of his own time. The fact that petty corruption is so banal and re-appears so often in history is what makes it seem like something mystical. But it's not -- and Michel de Notre-Dame was "merely" a highly perceptive student of his time.

Most of what is mysterious is actually pretty easily explained. Sadly, most of those explanations come down to the repetitive stupidity of evil little men.

--p!

[shraby]

5. I interpreted the Nostradamus quatrains myself

and sometimes the meaning was so obvious the hairs on my neck would stand up. Some were more obscure, but with careful study of the different battles or wars, many could be place in a period in time because of the way they were written. Key words were found in many of the quatrains that would place them.
Take it from me, there is more there than meets the eye.

[Sugarcoated]

6. I think people are too quick to dismiss him

Like a negative movie review - and the reviewer hasn't even seen the movie.

You have to read up on it, not just the prophecies but history, the details of France at that time, the anagrams and word play he used, that many used in writing in those days. Nostradomus the man. There's definitly something to it if you actually read up on it, and John Houge is the real deal.

[shraby]

10. The key is knowing history and in the way

Nostradamus used his words. When I was interpreting the quatrains I had a stack of history books you wouldn't believe. Cross checking historical accounts of battles, wars, etc. There were still many I couldn't begin to fathom, I would guess a lot of the ones I couldn't figure out are probably yet to be played out as well as the ones too obscure for me to be able to place.

[Sugarcoated]

11. Did you do this on your own?

And have you ever listened to or read any of Houge's books/interpretations?

[shraby]

17. I did them back in the 1980s. I have recently

learned of Hogue's interpretations. I did them on my own because at the time I was curious as to how accurate the translations were..how much of the other people who worked on them had injected their own slant on the translation of the quatrain to make them fit what they thought the quatrain meant. I translated each word at a time, then made them coherent as the language is set up differently than English. After I had a quatrain translated then I studied it and dove into history books to see if it fit.

[Peter Frank]

13. Now wait a minute...

The hunchback of Notre Dame was Lon Chaney? Isn't that too much of a coincidence? ;)

[PsychoDad]

3. dubieux

Dubieux / Dubya / W ... Interesting.

Prophecy is clearest in hindsight, but Nostradamus has some interesting coincidences.


Peace

[Chipper Chat]

4. What about "Mabus" - Nostadamus's anti-christ.

Mabush?

[Dr.Phool]

7. That's Ma Bush

The Quaker Oats Guy.

[Sugarcoated]

8. I think Mabus may be a composite

If you play around with the letters (Nostradomus scrambled letters, turned them around, sometimes left out vowels or consenants, etc.), they can be different significant leaders - Bush being one of them.

[oddtext]

20. osaMA - BUSh? eom

[QC]

9. Didn't Nostradamus also predict

the corruption of our precious bodily fluids?

[shraby]

12. Yes he did, when I was working on my interpretations,

it was before AIDS, but I believe that is what he was talking about. The quatrain said something like "when the blood poisons the body"..don't remember the exact words, but that's the gist of it.

[DefenseLawyer]

19. Ever hear of a thing called fluoridation?

Ice cream, Mandrake! Children's ice cream!

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Interesting!!!!!!!!!!!

Very interesting

[lovuian]

15. My favorite Quatrains

The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city.


and this one

When those of the Northern Pole are united,
In the East will be great fear and dread...
One day the two great leaders will be friends;
Their great powers will be seen to grow.
The New Land will be at the height of its power:
To the man of blood the number is reported

Whats pretty obvious is that Nostradamus knew there would be a New City and a New Land...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. What an amazing...

...pile of shite.

[earth mom]

21. Interesting and deserving of a kick!

:kick: