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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:37 AM
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NSA, Pakistan, the Saudis and the war on terror
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 11:54 AM by HamdenRice
The super secret NSA has a range of technological capacity for eavesdropping that most of us could not even imagine -- the ability to pick up phone conversations with satellites, and super computers to sort through the data. That's what makes the warrantless surveillance of American citizens so scary.

But some people who should have been targets of the NSA made things too easy and somehow their nefarious conversations did not lead to effective counter-terrorism actions.

Take Hani Hanjour, one of the 9/11 hijackers. On the night of September 10, 2001, Hanjour took a room in a hotel next door to the NSA, yet they failed to surveille him and prevent his hijacking the next day. According to the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2033791.stm

<quote>

In fact, one of the most bizarre ironies of all this is that five of the hijackers lived in a motel right outside the gates of the NSA.

Early on the morning of 11 September, when Hani Hanjour and his four accomplices left the Valencia Motel on US route 1 on their way to Washington's Dulles airport, they joined the stream of NSA employees heading to work.

<unquote>

Perhaps Hanjour was still below the NSA's radar screen, even though US intelligence had indeed surveilled Mohammed Atta earlier through the Abel Danger program.

Even so, they might have surveilled neighboring hotels because by some other bizarre coincidence, a Saudi official implicated in spreading radical Islam in the US and funding terrorism just happened also to be at a hotel, next door to the NSA, where hijackers were also staying the night of 9/10. According to the Telegraph of London:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/03/wsaud03.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/10/03/ixportal.html

<quote>

A senior Saudi Arabian official, now minister for the holy places, stayed at the same hotel as three September 11 hijackers the night before the suicide attacks.

American investigators are trying to make sense of the disclosure that Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman al-Hussayen, who returned to Saudi Arabia shortly after the attacks, stayed at the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, Virginia.

Three of the attackers stayed at the hotel that night and crashed a plane into the Pentagon the following day.

Mr Hussayen became president of the affairs of the Holy Mosque in Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina, the two most sacred sites in Islam, five months after the attacks.

<snip>

But investigators are pooling what they know about his trip to North America, during which he allegedly visited or contacted several Saudi-sponsored charities now accused of links to terrorist groups. There is no suggestion that he knew of any such links.

US prosecutors say Mr Hussayen was a financial backer of a Michigan-based group, the Islamic Assembly of North America, which is accused of disseminating the teachings of two Saudi clerics who advocate violence against the United States.

His nephew, Sami Omar Hussayen, a computer student, is in federal detention in Idaho on charges of visa fraud, accused of failing to disclose his role as an internet webmaster for IANA.

US court filings say the younger Hussayen administered an internet site for IANA that expressly advocated suicide attacks and using airliners as weapons. IANA received about £2 million from abroad since 1995, court papers allege, including £60,000 from Saleh al-Hussayen.

<snip>

Mr Lindquist said: "We're investigating the IANA. We have the money flowing to the IANA through the nephew from the uncle. We have the uncle visiting the United States just prior to September 11, and upon his return to the East Coast he's in the same hotel as the hijackers. According to FBI agents he feigns a seizure. It is something that we cannot ignore."

<unquote>

The FBI wanted to interview Mr. Hussayen, but he feigned a seizure, was taken to the hospital where he was told there was nothing wrong with him, and he was allowed to leave the US when air traffic resumed.

The NSA targets foreign intelligence organizations also, but the head of one foreign intelligence organization also made surveillance stupifyingly easy.

Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmad, was then the director general or Pakistan's CIA, it's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI). Gen. Ahmad had ordered that $100,000 be wired to Mohammed Atta about a year before 9/11, which Atta then used for flight school tuition, when the "Islamic fundamentalist" was not using his funds on booze, coke, hookers, lingerie models and lap dances.

Gen. Ahmad ordered an operative, known as Ahmad Umar Sheikh (as well as Saeed Sheikh and several other names), a British citizen of Pakistani descent, famed as a kidnapper and economic wiz, to wire the money from the United Arab Emirates. Gen. Ahmad had been the main conduit of funds from the US through Pakistan, to the mujahedeen fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, and later the paymaster of al Queda and the Taliban through one of the ISI's directorate called "Army of Islam."

Gen. Ahmad made surveillance of his communications and activities shockingly easy by flying to Washington on September 6, 2001 and meeting directly with his counterparts at the Pentagon, CIA, National Security Council and State Department. Indeed, on the morning of 9/11 as the planes hit the twin towers, the al Queda paymaster was having breakfast with Sen. Bob Graham, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and Rep. Porter Goss, Chair of the House Intelligence Committee. Goss, recall was representative of a district that was adjacent to the county on the gulf coast of Florida where Mohammed Atta attended flight school and would be appointed head of the CIA when the US reorganized its intelligence agencies.

Gen. Ahmed stayed around conveniently after 9/11 to discuss Pakistan's role in cooperating with the "war on terror" in Afghanistan with the State Department and Pentagon.

The 9/11 Commission claims that the source of funding of the hijackers is not an important and misidentified Sheikh as an Egyptian. But the Wall St. Journal and Times of India were hot on this story in late 2001 and early 2002 because it was the smoking gun that linked Pakistan to the hijackers, which directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission view that the only state sponsor of the attacks was Afghanistan.

Unfortunately, the Wall St. Journal reporter responsible for this reporting was Daniel Pearl. As he tracked the story to Lahore Pakistan, he was kidnapped and beheaded by none other than Saeed Sheikh.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:57 PM
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1. Shameless, self-promotional kick, then I'll leave it alone ....nt
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:58 PM
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2. The word "stupifying"
says it all!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:04 PM
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3. Thanks for noticing ...
When it comes to 9/11 there are so many stupifying coincidences, aren't there?

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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:09 PM
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4. This is absolutely an amazing post.
How have you put all this together? Were you in the government?

Do you have sources for things like who killed Daniel Pearl and why?

I've recommended your post for the greatest page.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:19 PM
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5. This is what makes me crazy! It's all readily available but ...
both the MSM and even the 9/11 Commission ignore it. The Commission purposely mis-identified Sheik as an Egyptian so the money trail back to Pakistan was covered up.

And not to be coy, since the ISI was a creature of US intelligence, this is strong evidence of complicity by some faction within the US in 9/11 itself.

Just google "Pakistan ISI $100,000" or "Daniel Pearl ISI" or any easily composed search terms and it all comes up.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:21 PM
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7. Kicked and nominated!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:06 PM
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28. There has been a concerted effort to disconnect the dots all along.
k&r
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:20 PM
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6. I've come across
the Daniel Pearl connection in other posts.

Yes, this post is definitely a major contribution to LIHOP/MIHOP ongoing conversation. Of course, the argument against so-called conspiracy theories is how something this big could be kept under wraps with so many people involved. On the other hand, if the number of players reached some kind of critical mass, it may simply not matter what gets leaked or known because the whole thing is so stupifyingly preposterous. Is that what we're dealing with here?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:31 PM
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9. That's exactly the view I'm coming around to ...
It doesn't matter whether Donald Rumsfeld himself were to say he has been born again and confesses the whole 9/11 inside job scenario. It is so preposterous that we don't allow ourselves to think it, even after the information is right in front of us.

In fact, DU's own "Minstrel Boy" poster, who has super weird blog called Rigorous Intuition has argued that not only is 9/11 obvious, but it was intended to be obvious -- as in "look, we did it again, just like JFK, just like Iran Contra, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Here is another writer coming to this conclusion. This is a super essay from the Muslim-Christian-Jewish 9/11 alliance that calls the 9/11 a form of "apocolypse of coercion" and weirdly compares it to the techniques of high pressure car sales:

http://mujca.com/apocalypse.htm
<quote>
They say suicidal Muslim fanatics did it. They say those radical Muslims hate our freedoms. They say the country is full of sleeper agents who could wake up and kill us at any moment, as soon as their little red-white-and-blue “I hate the USA” wristwatch alarms go off.

They say that Saddam Hussein had something to do with it—he’s Muslim, isn’t he? They say invading Afghanistan and Iraq was the appropriate response; we had to do something, right? They say if you’re not with us, you’re against us—and if you’re against us, you’re on the side of the evildoers.

They say those cunning, devious suicide hijackers defeated America’s defenses using flying lessons and box cutters. They say it was ordered by a tall, dark, handsome, sinister, hooknosed kidney patient in a cave in Afghanistan—a ringer for the evil vizier Jaffar in the Disney film Aladdin, but with a thicker beard to signify “Islamist.” They say it was masterminded by a real bad dude named KSM. They say they finally caught KSM, and that the whole story, enshrined in the official 9/11 Commission Report, is based on what KSM said under interrogation—so it’s all right from the horse’s mouth.

They say it happened because our defense and intelligence systems didn’t see it coming, despite all those urgent warnings from dozens of countries as well as whistleblowers from our own agencies. They say that nobody was really to blame, so nobody had to be prosecuted or fired or even reprimanded. They say that by promoting the very people who made the most outrageously improbable blunders, and giving the screw-up agencies a whole lot more money, we’ve ensured that they’ll do better next time.

They say that anybody who questions what they say is a conspiracy theorist.
<unqote>

He goes on to say:

The secret of mind-control is simple—so simple that Rushkoff can sum it up in one sentence: “In whatever milieu coercion is practiced, the routine follows the same basic steps: Generate disorientation, induce regression, and then become the target’s transferred parent figure” (64). Hard-sell car salesmen, CIA interrogators and psychwar ops, and cult leaders have long used this technique. Under coercion, millions of otherwise rational people can be persuaded to act against their own interests—whether by shelling out big bucks for an overpriced lemon, betraying a comrade and a cause, or allowing a gang of criminals to destroy their nation’s Constitution and launch criminal wars of aggression

snip

The CIA, like the automobile industry, has long been refining coercive techniques aimed at eliciting compliance. Whether the Company wants to coerce an interrogation subject into spilling the beans, or a whole nation into supporting a war, the techniques are basically the same as those used by hard-sell car salesmen: Generate dissociation through disorientation, induce regression, and become the target’s transferred parent figure.
In an interrogation, the CIA begins by disorienting the subject:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:40 PM
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11. "induce regression"
Hate to admit I'm dense, but what does this mean?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:45 PM
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14. Turns you into a baby ...
I love the guys argument that even the date, 9/11 was probably chosen for its psychological signficance. 9/11 made us scared and want to turn to "grown ups" and parent figures. From childhood we are taught, if there's an emergency call 9/11, and the government in the form of the policeman will come to your rescue.

His argument is that it was designed to psychologically reduce us to child like dependence, or "induce regression" to childhood behavior of dependence.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:49 PM
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15. Thanks!
I thought that might be it, but wanted to make sure I understood this model.

Love the image of the pseudo-aristocratic Bush "dynasty" as car salesmen!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 02:17 PM
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17. We've all been the subject of a major psy op
since JFK was killed and coincidentally Poppy Bush has always beens in the middle of it.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:51 PM
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16. Maybe people outside of the US would get it...
but most people in the US see the Daniel Pearl episode as another reason to bomb the Middle East in general - not as anything that reflects on the US.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:37 PM
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19. And, really,
when several hundred, perhaps thousand, of the most powerful people in the world are involved, whaddya gonna do about it? Imagine the blackmail and intimidation that must be going on. The anthrax attacks, for example. White House staff took Cipro on 9/11.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:30 PM
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8. Well Gee, maybe the NSA wasn't trying to PREVENT terrorist
attacks. It's an awfully funny coincidence that the largest electronic spy system in the world didn't flag a number of known Saudi radicals checking into a hotel NEXT DOOR TO THEM. Particularly after the incident where a distraught muslim shot up several cars at the entrance to the CIA just a few years back.

It begs the question. What is the NSA doing with all that computer power if they can't seem to nab terrorists who aren't even trying to hide? They can't stop tons of cocaine from entering the country and they can't seem to track down computer hackers? Maybe they're the famous "Plunge Protection Team."

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:43 PM
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13. So many coincidences makes one wonder-doesn't it? nt
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:13 PM
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31. Bet they ran out of rooms at the NSA and had to put them up
next door.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:36 PM
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10. This also ties to Jack Abramoff with the General Council for Islamic Banks
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 01:38 PM by phoebe
Good coverage at http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/16/233950/633

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Shortly after 9/11, Abramoff signed up as a lobbyist for this consortium of banks that operate according to sharia, or Islamic law. According to the National Journal (Aug 31, 2002), the consortium was created after the attacks as President Bush began cracking down on terrorist financing. Abramoff's job was to spread the word about Islamic banking practices and to refute claims that Islamic banks sheltered money used for terrorist networks. And if anyone needed a good PR man, it was the chairman of the General Council for Islamic Banks, a Saudi businessman named Saleh Abdullah Kamel estimated to be worth in the neighborhood of $ 2.6 billion, who was quickly the subject of intense government scrutiny over his possible ties to terrorist activity.

You see, Kamel is also the chairman of Dallah al Baraka Group (DBG), which is suspected of having ties to al Qaeda and other extremist groups, and he was also the co-founder and large shareholder of Al Shamal Bank in Sudan, Osama bin Laden's bank of choice from 1983 onward. He was listed as being one of the seven "main individual sponsors of terrorism" in this report by French researcher Jean-Charles Brisard submitted to the UN Security Council in December 2002. (You might remember that Omar al-Bayoumi, who befriended and provided money to two of the 9/11 hijackers, was once an assistant to the Director of Finance for Dallah Avco, a DBG company that works with the Saudi aviation authority. And the WSJ has reported that the United States believes the Dallah al-Baraka Bank, another DBG company, was also used by al-Qaeda.)


Great catch HamdenRice..
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:43 PM
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12. Thanks for the link and info ...
Joe Cannon of the Cannonfire blog had written a lot about Abramoff's casinos being potential sources of money laundering for terrorism before 9/11, but I was not aware of the post 9/11 role.

There are eyewitness accounts of "Islamic fundamentalist" Mohammed Atta and his crew gambling on Abramoff's casino boats before 9/11. Just one damned coincidence after another, eh?
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:21 PM
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18. reply to #12
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 03:24 PM by phoebe
very odd that Jack would take take such a job considering his obvious religious persuasion - defending known Saudi terrorists - things that make you go hmmm...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 03:56 PM
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20. There has always been this weird link between ...
extremist Likudniks like Abramoff and Islamic extremists -- even going back to Iran-Contra, in which a Likud government acted as go-between for the US with of all countries, Iran!

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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:37 PM
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30. somebody is always profiting from the misery of hundreds/thousands/
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 08:39 PM by phoebe
millions of others...Abramoff is right up there with the worst of them..
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 05:15 AM
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33. Right, and look who was involved in Iran-Contra...
I'm just waiting for the name Khashoggi to make an appearance.

In a way, 9/11 and its aftermath gave everyone (except for those who love peace)what they wanted: extremist Islamics have begun their violent jihad, Saudi royals successfully deflect threats against themselves over to the US by establishing Al Qaeda as the instrument of jihad, neocons have their new Pearl Harbor and a reason to begin preemptive aggression in the Middle East, Likudniks now have all kinds of American political support in aggressively supporting radical Zionism, the rest of Israel can breath easier now that the US is once again about to become the principal object of hatred in the ME, Bush gets his popularity back (immediately after 9-11), and Cheney and his cronies enjoy all the war profiteering.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 04:11 PM
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21. So a faked seizure is good enough for the FBI to drop surveillance
of a suspected terrorist sympathizer? Jaw met floor.

This reminds me of a Chinese proverb, 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'. Could the people who run America be that stupid? I personally don't think so. I think this is all (from the elections of 2000) a huge, illegal manipulation of power and resources from America and other countries supposedly in this War on Terror.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 04:23 PM
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22. Forgot to mention about breakfast ...
between al Queda paymaster Gen. Ahmad and Congressional intelligence chiefs Bob Graham and Porter Goss, that participants said that the subject of their meeting was terrorism emanating from Afghanistan. Because the main terrorism emanating from Afghanistan was bin Laden and al Queda, that is what they must have been discussing.

I wonder what was said?

In the middle of the meeting, according to participants, either Graham or Goss was handed a note explaining that airplanes had crashed into the towers.

Here's another goody I'm working on. Did you know that when counter-terrorism chief Michael Chertoff (Secy of Homeland Security) was in private practice, he represented a person accused of attempting to aid an illegal arms deal, in which Islamic terrorists and the ISI would attempt to purchase stinger missiles as well as nuclear weapons technology?

During one meeting, in 1999, in a lower Manhattan restaurant, one of the arms trafficers, who identified himself as a member of the ISI, pointed to the WTC and said "those towers are coming down".

After the Bush administration came to power, Chertoff was made Deputy Atty Gen in charge of the criminal division, where he is alleged to have stopped the prosecution of his terrorist former client.

This is the guy who's supposed to protect us against terrorists -- the same guy who said several days into the Katrina catastrophe that the people of New Orleans had made "bad choices" by staying in the city, suggesting that government had no responsibility to them.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 05:16 PM
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23. Here's a high-five k&r for Hamden!
:hi::loveya::hi:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:15 PM
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24. Hi Karenina -- long time!
I haven't been on AA Issues much because my contributor status expired, which means I can't post on groups and I have been too lazy and disorganized to contribute to DU!

I hope the mods didn't hear that!

How's your sis?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:55 PM
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27. Thanks so much for asking!
Just now spoke to her, as she KICKED MY ASS at Scrabble, was duly proud of herself (our family meme is that I'm the one to "vanquish," per Mom's directive) and she's tolerating the therapy well.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:16 PM
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29. See Daniel Hopsicker's articles at
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 07:20 PM by Al-CIAda
madcowprod.com re:Atta, Chertoff, Goss

Also, see 'operation diamondback'
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:18 PM
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25. HamdenRice
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


NYer99
DU Moderator
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:22 PM
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26. Sorry -- and question ...
A lot of newspaper writing is written in a one sentence per paragraph format. Does that still count as a graph, compared to more analytical writing which may have much more info per graph?

Maybe I should be asking this in some other forum.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 11:39 PM
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32. Correction for Location
Edited on Sun Jan-08-06 11:40 PM by AnnieBW
The motel that the Pentagon hijackers stayed in, the Motel Valencia, is nowhere near the front gates of NSA. It's within a few miles, but it's not right outside the gates like this article implies. The Motel Valencia is in Laurel, MD on Route 1 just past Main Street and outside the gates of the Laurel Racetrack. NSA is located off of Rt. 32 and the Baltimore/Washington Parkway. The only way that they would "join the streams of NSA employees going to work" is if they went north on Rt. 1 for about 5 miles to Rt. 32, then headed down 32 to the Parkway. But, if you're going to go from Laurel, MD to Dulles (which I've done twice and hated it both times), you would probably go AWAY from NSA onto Interstate 95.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=&city=Savage&state=MD&zipcode=&country=US&location=9Or0j5%2bmVSdTFjTWUGSiRn%2b9B9vZ5G2wdEf0GtlP9yqvl1Cnfx7ZtDaZVSXP1xZb6nMvDTxgUVed5eUJGcxA7my%2f8wpcqzHj
(Then zoom in one click)

Seriously, if they're not going to research this relatively minor detail - which a simple phone call or lookup on Mapquest could get you - I'd take this report with a rather large grain of salt.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:20 AM
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35. Maybe you can clear this up ...
There are a number of versions of this story from the MSM. One version has Hanjour at the Valencia (eg BBC version) with four accomplices. The other version has three hijackers at the Marriott Residence Inn in Herndon, Virginia.They can't both be correct unless they are talking about two teams of hijackers.

As for checking, I believe at the time the NSA was never represented on maps for national security purposes.

The 9/11 timeline says that they live in the suburb where most NSA employees live, instead:

August 2001: Six Hijackers Live Near Entrance to NSA

At least six 9/11 hijackers, including all of those who boarded Flight 77, live in Laurel, Maryland, from about this time. They reportedly include Hani Hanjour, Majed Moqed, Khalid Almihdhar, Nawaf Alhazmi, and Salem Alhazmi. Laurel, Maryland, is home to a Muslim cleric named Moataz Al-Hallak who teaches at a local Islamic school and has been linked to bin Laden. He has testified three times before a grand jury investigating bin Laden. NSA expert James Bamford later states, “The terrorist cell that eventually took over the airliner that crashed into the Pentagon ended up living, working, planning and developing all their activities in Laurel, Maryland, which happens to be the home of the NSA. So they were actually living alongside NSA employees as they were plotting all these things.”


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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:45 PM
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40. Its plausible
I've driven through that area. The quickest way to the highway is north because downtown Laurel has lots of lights and traffic. Its probably five minutes up to Rte 32 whereas you'd still be stuck at your second traffic light if you went through town. They probably couldn't make a left turn onto Rte 1 any way.

They'd be getting on 32 at the same place westbound NSA employees are getting off. That means they'd be going right through the middle of the stream of NSA traffic coming to work from both directions.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:42 AM
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34. My God!
THIS must become public knowledge!
Bama
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:37 AM
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36. Sad thing is, it already is public knowledge ...
These allegations have been widely reported in the MSM, but then thrown down the "memory hole" in early 2002. Compare how often the media repeats non-facts like "Sadam may have had WMDs" with facts about the financing of the hijackers.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:07 AM
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37. Again, the effort is to DISCONNECT the dots.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 12:41 PM
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38. That's a good way to put it ...
to make what is obvious disappear by dismantling our ability to see the parts as a whole.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 01:34 PM
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39. Reaching the bottom of the page..to Kick
:kick:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:40 PM
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41. kick
nt
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