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Sat Apr-01-06 07:17 AM
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Should McKinney be convicted in the court of public opinion - |
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even by democrats/liberals - BEFORE THE INCIDENT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED?
Who'd benefit from that?
Does it fit OUR sense of justice?
I for one would like to see the security cam recordings of the incident before drawing a conclusion.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:21 AM
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but I sure wish she hadn't given that press conference and convicted the police officer absent facts.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:43 AM
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plus, she's blaxk...that alone says justice is impossible (if the cop was blaxk, then doubly so)
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:45 AM
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3. She has first hand knowledge of the facts. You do not. n/t |
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Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 07:53 AM by 5X
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cali
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:14 AM
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watch the news conference?
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:30 AM
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I'm glad she speaks out. I suspect that is why she suffered the indignity to begin with. I doubt that Trent Lott or his poodle Joe Lieberman face similar aggression from "security."
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Sat Apr-01-06 09:01 AM
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16. Well, they don't use the same entrance--they are Senators, she is a rep |
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They are each one of a hundred, she's one of 400+.
Eventually, the full story will come out. I'm going to wait for it, and not get excited one way or another. The more visible this story is, the less time the media spends on the failed wars of Monkeyboy.
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Sat Apr-01-06 09:03 AM
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My point wasn't that they use the same entrance.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:46 AM
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4. I assume she is in the right |
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Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 07:46 AM by fknobbit
if she was wrong we would be buried with "news"
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:33 AM
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14. Agreed. They'd be playing the videotape over and over |
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the way they did the (doctored-up) "Dean scream".
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Sat Apr-01-06 09:04 AM
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18. Well, they would have to GET the video first--it belongs to the Cap Police |
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The Dean Scream video was taken by network and cable news cameras.
Not equivalent at all.
Does anyone know if the tape has been requested by the media? It's unlikely it would be released in advance of any court action (or a decision not to go to court).
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:46 AM
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43. If it showed what the GOPers are saying that it does,..... |
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...wouldn't this video be all over the media by now?
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Sun Apr-02-06 01:00 PM
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47. The Cap Police do NOT play politics |
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They are there, year in, year out, through GOP regimes and Dem ones, with Congress changing hands, the Executive Branch changing hands...they don't play that game. They can't, and stay sane.
If there's video, someone has to FOIA it, and they will decide if it can be released. If it is needed for some sort of action, we might not see it until after that action is concluded.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:47 AM
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5. Of course! Her hair style is great evidence! |
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:sarcasm:
Uhmm... how many people were killed in Iraq in the last two days again? :eyes:
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:36 AM
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15. Saddam had rape rooms. |
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Thus, we are safer with her hair being arrested.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:48 AM
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6. I'm not even going to spend any effort on this distraction |
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And that's exactly what this whole overblown over-discussed mess is - a distraction.
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Sat Apr-01-06 07:54 AM
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but the ongoing smearing and swiftboating of Ms McKinney is important. If left to go on, she will find herself dead, another casualty of dubco. She speaks her mind and stands in opposition to this *regime. :donut:
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:15 AM
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She's supposed to be representing me in Congress, not implementing some personal agenda. I've stopped writing to her about legislation because she's perceived as such a nutcase that she's ineffective as a Congressperson. BTW, I couldn't recognize her in the current news clips at first. In addition to the new hair, she's, ah, added to her womanly physique. Nothing wrong with that, but she does look a lot different than even a year or two ago.
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:25 AM
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11. If you're going to level charges |
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don't you think you should make them a little less vague? What is her "personal agenda"? What legislation did you write her about? Who do you think perceives her as a nutcase?
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Sat Apr-01-06 10:45 AM
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19. If she was my Congress person I would be PO'd that she was detained |
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See US Constitution, Article 1, Section 6
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Sat Apr-01-06 01:49 PM
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I'm not sure that I'm being any less vague than Cynthia McKinney. She was touched because she bypassed a security checkpoint. She has stated that this is due to her being a black female congressperson. I won't discount that, because racism is inherent in America. But I'd like to allow for the possibility that the cop really didn't recognize her, given her changed appearance. He touched her, he didn't slam her to the floor, set a dog loose or anything like that.
And the fact that Nancy Pelosi is trying to downplay the incident should say something about how she's perceived within the party. I don't see the anyone besides Danny Glover, etc. rushing to her defense.
Thank goodness, because I think it's killing us to have people like McKinney representing the Democratic Party.
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Sat Apr-01-06 02:11 PM
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23. You wouldn't be posting from K Street, would you?? |
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What is killing the Democratic Party is elected officials who have forgotten Democratic principles, values, and who refuse to represent their constituents.
Rep. McKinney has been one of the outstanding champions of the people with a wonderful progressive voting record. She has been smeared before, and sadly this entire affair reeks of another slime job. What's worse is that it beginning to smell as if the DLC is in bed with the gop--AGAIN--in an attempt to rid the party of anyone with the audacity to speak against the powers that be and actually represent the people who have elected her.
Psssssssshhhhhhhhaaaaaawwwwwwwwww.
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Sat Apr-01-06 02:44 PM
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24. Nope, I'm posting from Lawrenceville Highway |
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Which is within one mile of Rep. McKinney's office.
I'm a constituent, and she doesn't represent me in this case. Yes, she has a wonderful progressive voting record. But smacking a cop who might have made an honest mistake isn't a hot idea. She can fight the evils of the world without sounding like an egotist.
I can allow for the idea that this incident is indeed racially/GOP/Powers that be motivated. Why can't you allow for the idea that it may not be? And worse yet, that her reaction will just provide fodder for the Bushites. Elections are around the corner, and having a Democratic Congresswoman smacking a cop is fodder for the GOP. If it's a smear job...she fell right into it.
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:16 PM
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30. Mike Malloy will be at the Atlanta Rally with her |
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Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 04:16 PM by Rainscents
And he told his listener on Friday night, he will personally will be talking with her and get the FACT for his listener. You already pre-judged her and hanged her before the fact! SHAME ON YOU!
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Sat Apr-01-06 05:35 PM
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35. Hope they had a nice march together |
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Um, Mike Malloy is a radio show host. While it's nice he's supporting her, he is, after all, a radio show host. I was referring in my previous post to her lack of support and respect from other elected representatives, including those from our own party.
It's ironic that you say I'm pre-judging her. Isn't there quite a rush to judgment here to hang the cop involve and float conspiracy theories? Nobody (including me) disputes that he touched her, she hit him, etc. What's being disputed is why it all happened. I do admit to pre-judging her to be lacking in good sense. If you want some examples of her not-so-bright behavior, there are plenty.
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Sun Apr-02-06 04:05 AM
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45. Members of Congress and Congressional staffers are allowed... |
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...to bypass security. McKinney stated that she was wearing her Congressional ID, but not the lapel pin. She was physically confronted by an offer who came up behind her and actually grabbed her arm. She reacted by poking the officer with her cell phone and telling him not to touch her.
She is one of a total of fourteen black female Members of Congress...how much time and effort does it take to learn what she looks like in any manner of dress and/or hairstyles? That's part of the job description of the Capital Police, is it not?
As far as Nancy Pelosi is concerned, it is part of her job description to play this incident down as she would any other incident involving any other Democrat.
You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but I believe that the majority of Democrats, and some GOPers, view McKinney as a heroine for speaking out on various subjects to include the official version of 911. IMHO, your perception about McKimmey is wrong.
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:32 AM
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13. She still has the ability to vote -- that's effective. |
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I'm more interested in how she votes than anything else.
I think she's under a lot of pressure from the RW.
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Sat Apr-01-06 05:41 PM
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Gotta love how the mods seem to think it's a worth while discussion, especially the original flame fest, which is still alive and well. So lame that I won't bother with posting the link.
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Sat Apr-01-06 06:57 PM
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38. she's a patriot under attack |
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they're murdering criminals (klol) who are attacking Rep McKinney
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Sat Apr-01-06 08:16 AM
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10. no, and neither should the cop |
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Sat Apr-01-06 01:52 PM
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21. Thanks, nice dose of sanity. |
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Finally! Someone who wants to see the tape! Me too! The Capitol Hill Cops said they had it ALL on tape...let's see it!
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Sat Apr-01-06 01:54 PM
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22. She has spoken out on 9/11, and Bush War Crimes. It's not hard to see |
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Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 01:54 PM by Beelzebud
whats going on here...
It makes me sick that people on our side *cough*John Arvosis*cough* are too stupid to see what's going on here, and instead are sounding like neo-con parrots.
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Sat Apr-01-06 03:53 PM
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25. And what happened when she spoke out? |
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They smeared her right out of her seat in 2002. I was furious when that happened. It was a IN YOUR FACE smear job.
I believe, especially since the capitol police will not release the tape, that they are starting it up again.
Show us the tape!
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:00 PM
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26. "The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney" |
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The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney By Greg Palast, AlterNet Wednesday, June 18, 2003 http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=229&row=1Greg Palast is an investigative reporter for BBC television and author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy".
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:06 PM
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27. Neither she nor the officer should be "convicted" in the court of |
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public opinion.
If either side has a case to make they should make it through the courts.
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:11 PM
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28. McKinney stands accused legally, the officer does not |
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If McKinney is convicted in the court of public opinion, then it's all the easier to convict her legally - even if she is in fact innocent.
I'm not saying the officer should be convicted in the court of public opinion, but if he would be, there'd be little or no consequences for him.
McKinney and the officer are not equally victimized in this.
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:15 PM
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29. To the contrary - if he is convicted in the court of publlic opinion it |
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makes it easier for her to get off if charges are made, regardless of whatever actually happpened.
And there certainly woould be consequennces for him.
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:26 PM
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33. That's A 100% Wrong Assessment In My Opinion |
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:19 AM
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39. McKinney "accuses" police - said she'd press charges, or |
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is it a personal accusation? Looks like it's the latter.
As long as McKinney has not pressed charges against the officer, or has not said that she will do so, the officer does not stand accused legally.
The officer however has said that he will press charges against McKinney.
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:52 AM
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44. The officer can do whatever he wants, but I'll bet there are..... |
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...more eyewitnesses that will support McKinney's story than there will be supporting the officer's story.
As far as being "accused legally", what exactly does that mean? You're not "accused legally" until someone presses charges against you. That hasn't happened in this situation, and probably won't.
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Sun Apr-02-06 04:09 AM
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46. Well, at least it has been announced that charges will be pressed against |
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McKinney. Not so against the officer. Though i agree there probably will be no charges against McKinney. Which won't stop the RW from trying to use this to turn public opinion against McKinney.
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:37 AM
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42. IMHO, that should be "If" McKinney is accused. |
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:16 PM
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31. No, But Neither Should The Cop. Nor Should She Be Automatically Cleared Of |
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any wrongdoing just because that's the way we want it to be, and neither should the cop. Nor should people trying to be objective on the issue be slandered and attacked for daring to make deductions based on what is available.
Nothing wrong at all with us exploring the issue and making reasonable assumptions about what we feel occurred. We just need to do it responsibly.
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:17 PM
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32. You blatantly contradicted yourself. |
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Sat Apr-01-06 04:28 PM
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34. You caught it too? Heh. Just imagine DU ever wanting to |
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convict someone in the court of opinion!
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Tue Apr-04-06 11:23 AM
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Wasn't there a huge thread with people making the distinction between such "convictions" on a message board vs a court of law?
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:20 AM
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40. by all means don't point out where and how |
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Actor, Danny Glover was expected to appear at an early-evening news conference Friday with McKinney at Howard University.
That gave Republicans material to keep the criticism flowing.
"Rep. McKinney appearing with the star of 'Lethal Weapon'? Not exactly the message you want to be sending," said Ron Bonjean, spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill.
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These guys would be comical if not so frikin dangerous.:tinfoilhat:
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Sun Apr-02-06 03:23 AM
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41. "Not the message you want to be sending"? |
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Hastert's office has a hell of a lot of bottle accusing others of "sending the wrong message"....The "Delay" Rule, anyone?
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