A thought about immigration.

[Gregorian]

As we talk about immigration, we talk about borders. Mexico, Canada, and overseas. Now let's fast forward to a time where the borders are sealed and patrolled. Does it stop there? Why should it stop at external borders. Why not internal borders. Why not a fence around New York city? Or New Orleans?
I'm not so sure this thinking is too far out. As it stands, money flows anywhere. Your money can find it's way into Montreal for investment purposes. It's people, we're dealing with. And not borders. So why not a fence in Boston? Guards in Chicago?

I don't like the binary argumentation. But I find it is effective in making a point. We are either brothers and sisters, or we are strangers. I see brothers, not borders. We are going in the wrong direction, and it doesn't just stop when we keep the "illegals" out.

[Minnesota Libra]

1. We can also use our own home to explain the illegal alien issue...........

....because we've all got locks on our front and back doors for a reason and that is to keep people out that we don’t want in our home.

For the sake of my example, let’s say someone breaks the lock on our back door while we are in the garage and moves in bags and baggage. These people immediately set about making themselves at home stretching out on our couch, eating all our food, sleeping in our beds, taking over the remote for our TV, and in general acting like they belong in our home. Everything we buy or have in our home these unwanted people take over, use, or destroy.

Would any of us be expected to put up with that?

Now, let’s say we call the police to remove these people from our home and one policeman shows up. This policeman tells us there is nothing he/she can do “because we don’t have enough manpower to get the job done”. We naturally ask how to get rid of these people and are basically told, “I guess you are stuck with them”.

Would any of us be expected to put up with that?

Knowing the police aren’t able or willing to do anything we try to reason with these people that broke into our home and tell them this is our house and we don‘t want them there. In the course of these conversations we tell these unwanted people that if they had only asked before breaking into our home we may well have let them move in. These people that broke into our home in the first place then turn to us and say, “This land belonged to our family about 200 years ago and we want it back.” Of course we try to reason with these people about the fact that land changes hands quite often in the course of history to which these unwanted people reply, “We’re not moving so suck it up because you’re stuck with us.”

Would any of us be expected to put up with that?

Then, not only do these people break in and take over our home but they also symmetrically set about bringing in all their friends and extended family members. When the TV breaks, the food runs out, the couch wears out these unwanted guests and the others they brought in look at us and say, “Hey, you have to provide us with new stuff. We are here and we’re not leaving either. So start buying stuff for us.”

Would any of us be expected to put up with that?

When we tell these unwanted people that we just don’t have the money to provide anything thing else they ignore us and say, “Well since we’re here we demand the right to set the rules around here.” When we remind them it isn’t their house and they have no right to set any rules they reply with, “So what? We are going to set the rules anyway. If you don’t like it that is your problem.”

Would any of us be expected to put up with that?

Now, multiply this one example by at least 12 Million and you have the issue of illegal aliens easy enough for anyone to understand and relate to.

Of course this issue, that item, some other argument, or any number of things can be added to this in order to change the overall argument to anyone’s liking but in a nutshell this explains the illegal alien issue for many people.

So again I ask would any of us be expected to put up with any of this in our own home? If not, then why do we have to put up with it anywhere in our country?

Please notice I am not making a distinction as to which border we are talking about, any particular race, color, or anything else because there are illegal aliens in this country from all over the world.

[Gregorian]

2. That is taking my logic one step further.

I think that inserts the element of privacy into the argument. That is not what anti-immigration is about.
I remember a time when I overheard someone in my neighborhood saying "There goes the neighborhood", when a black family moved in. I was appauled, even as a ten year old. That is the same sentiment that I believe is the driving force behind any anti-immigration.
I will admit that freely letting people enter the country could be a pretty scary thing. But only if the disparity between countries is great enough to cause them to migrate away from their homes, their friends, their families.

When anyone, immigrant or not, does what you mention in your post, we have existing laws that deal with it.

[Katherine Brengle]

3. Agreed -- that is a privacy issue

There is a distinct difference between our national landmass and an individual home.

[doc03]

5. So, We live in Southeastern Ohio, this is a depressed

area in a F---ing Red state, can we pitch a tent in your back yard, get a job that pays under the table, pay no taxes, send our kids to your schools, have your state pay for our medical bills.

[doc03]

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