NOT ONE DEM took ONE PENNY from Abramoff...and ABRAMOFF says so himself.

[LynnTheDem]

Now what the fuck about that is so bloody difficult for rightwingnuts to understand???!

Oh that's right; rightwignnuts are the STUPIDEST MFers ON THE PLANET.

[FreedomAngel82]

1. When did Abramoff say so?

[Guaranteed]

3. That would be nice to know.

Let's get a quote and a citation.

[stop the bleeding]

30. Yes me to, when did A'moff say this and can you source it please,

because if this is the case then someone like K.O. needs to yell it in Tweey's ear.

[LynnTheDem]

32. NOT ONE DEM EVER got one penny EVER from Abramoff. FACT.

Some Dems got money donations from NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES...and that is LEGAL.

While rightwingnuts apparently believe Native Americans are not quite human, not quite American, FACT IS, they are human, they are American, and they are legally allowed to donate their money to whichever party they care to.

ABRAMOFF USED tribal money for fraud and bribery...money he paid ONLY to REPUBLICANS. And in return for Jack's money, SOME Republicans did favors. THAT is ILLEGAL; THAT is the scandal.

Abramoff NEVER gave one penny to ANY DEM for ANY THING. That's a FACT. It wouldn't be illegal if he had donated to Dems. That's a FACT. But he NEVER gave any Dem so much as a penny. That's a FACT.

"Abramoff has never personally given money to a single Dem. All his personal and family contributions went to Republicans."

NOT ONE DEM...NOT ONE DEM ORGANIZATION. That's a FACT.

Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aBTFEkGJUbSI&refer=us

FEDERAL RECORDS;
Contributions From Abramoff;

Republicans - $204,253
Democrats - $0

Political MoneyLine
http://www.tray.com/

According to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, 210 current members of Congress have received contributions from Abramoff, his Indian tribe clients or SunCruz Casinos since 1999.

Most received less than $10,000, but 25 lawmakers received $21,500 or more. Twenty were Republicans and five were Democrats, but none of the Democrats received money directly from Abramoff.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-lobby22dec22,1,7549365.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Native Americans can donate money to ANYONE THEY WANT TO...EVEN TO DEMS; that is LEGAL. Jack only gave money to Republicans. NEVER to any Democrat. That's a FACT.

BUSH AGAIN SHOWS HIS IGNORANCE/LYING;

"It seems to me that he was an equal money dispenser, that he was giving money to people in both political parties."

WRONG/LIE.

ALL Abramoff money went to Republicans ONLY...and that's a FACT.

SOME of those REPUBLICANS Jack gave money to did favors in return. THAT is ILLEGAL. That's a FACT. And Jack has already admitted to it and pled guilty. (read Abramoff's plea agreement).

Not a Dem on the list...
Data Provided by the Federal Election Commission as of 1/2/06 -- 12,046,590 records
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

[stop the bleeding]

39. Yes we know what you say is FACT - anyone who has been following the

story here knows that, what myself and the others were asking is for you to source or show us when Abramoff himself said that (NOT ONE DEM took ONE PENNY from Abramoff...and ABRAMOFF says so himself), as stated in the original post.

There is a difference of FACT and what and if the main player/criminal said in this.

Lastly I would LOVE to slam a freeper with this - the FACT that Abramoff said this.

So as stated in my last post - PLEASE SOURCE THIS and stop using "ALL CAPS" with people that are on the same team as you.

[LynnTheDem]

43. Obviously I wasn't clear enuf; read Abramoff's plea agreement.

I cannot access it on this puter. You can get it via google.

And no, actually, I won't stop using caps.

Have a nice day. :)

[stop the bleeding]

46. Here is the link to the plea agreement from Google

http://news.findlaw.com/usatoday/docs/abramoff/usabrmff10306plea.pdf


I read the entire thing and did not see anywhere in there where Abramoff says that he did not give any money to the DEMS as stated in the title in your original post.

Paragraphs 32-36 deal with corruption of public officials which is where a statement like this would show up.

As stated before I would love to slam some freepers with this fact, but until it is in writing ie:sourced, which is not here in the plea agreement then I will have to hold off on this piece of valuable ammunition.

So as stated before please show me where you find Abramoff stating in the plea agreement that he has never given any money to the DEMS. Maybe I overlooked it.:shrug:

Patiently awaiting your response.

Have a nice day.:toast:


PS- two things-

1.If Abramoff made a statement like that don't you think that someone like K.O. or Rawstory would have printed it right now.
2.Most court procedures that I have seen in my brief lifetime usually would not allow an individual to make a statement like this because it could undermine possible future defendants or at important parts of the case.



Lastly, your are clear "enuf"

Here is you title: NOT ONE DEM took ONE PENNY from Abramoff(this part everyone on DU knows about)...and ABRAMOFF says so himself.(however this is the part that I need the source on so I can use it against FREEPERS)

- Am I clear "enuf"?

I have been scanning the "internets" for a while now to find a non-pdf version of this and have had no luck. I will wait for you to access a computer that can perform this function so that you can show me where Abramoff said this.

[chastitybeaverhausen]

2. Beautiful!

HE HE HE HE

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Nice name..... I think... welcome to DU.... I think Lynn is on fire

today... reached the boiling point.... I like it... Go Lynn, tell it like it is and not how they want to paint it... :)

[chastitybeaverhausen]

13. Thanks

for the welcome!

[Beaverhausen]

41. Hey - are we related?

:hi:

[Cassandra]

4. Not merely that they didn't take any...

they weren't offered any and probably didn't bother asking, either.

[oldtime dfl_er]

5. oh yea

:rofl:

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/1097640

[verse18]

6. I blame the public school system. (just my opinion)

I'm scared of these freeps atrocious spelling and logic process. These people vote too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. I work in the public school system and I can assure you

we can't be responsible for kids who don't show up or who go to private fundie schools.

[immoderate]

25. Blame the schools?

Not their ignorant parents and fundy churches? The schools have to have something to work with.

--IMM

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. My kids attend public school.

My son's SAT scores are above 1380 for Math & English and both kids feel quite comfortable with people of various races. Unlike their private school friends who always seem to need to look for differences in people when they meet them for the first time, in an attempt to identify those areas in which they're superior. I don't see how they get off claiming that they have better educations because our public schools these days offer a more varied curriculm than the small private schools in the area. I can also tell you that money doesn't make the man. Can't even keep them out of jail, it seems.

[KingFlorez]

7. Thank You

The wingnuts are so determined to drag others down with their trash, they don't even state the facts correctly.

[sasha031]

9. the pundits keep repeating it

Schumer was on russet this morning, pumpkin head asked Schumer when harry Reid was going to return the money to Abramoff, Schumer tells him no such incident ever occurred, russtet asked him again.
keep repeating the lie until it becomes their truth.

[CabalPowered]

10. Somebody needs to get the memo to Chris Matthews

I nearly destroyed my tv while channel surfing over lunch on Friday. Hardball had a crawler which stated "Abramoff clients returning money" which started with at least a dozen democrats and then occassionally slipped in a repub. :puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. They know the TRUTH!

They just don't want anyone else to know it. It's their modus operandi....repeat something often enough and people will believe it's true. Repeat on CNN, FAUX, MSRNC, CBS, NBC, ABC, in all newspapers and magazines, on Rush Limpballs, Sean Insannity, Bill O'LIElly and Rick ScaBborough......repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat......The sheeple will eventually come to think it's the truth/fact.:(

[grateful581]

12. Can someone tell CNN

I am sick of this shit.

[Nite Owl]

14. Dean told Wolfie a

thing or two this am

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x81418

[NanceGreggs]

15. You can!

Go to the CNN website - you'll find several options for voicing your opinion to the network at large, or individual on-air personalities.

I've written several letters in the past. I usually get a 'thanks for your comments' response. But twice, I received a message that my comments were being included in a monthly Report to Management - so every once in a while, your message does get through to the powers-that-be.

Whether they give it any weight at the end of the day - who knows?
But it's worth the try. Enough comments on one topic probably get their attention - because it could affect their viewership numbers.

Word to the wise: They have a box to be marked off as to whether your comments are positive or negative. Always choose the 'negative' box. The 'positive' comments include things like, "Oh, that Paula Zahn has such CUTE outfits!" I'm sure they don't get the same attention as the 'negative' emails.

[Ladyhawk]

16. That's fine, but can we trust what Abramoff says?

He's a slimy bastard. For now, no Dems have been implicated, have they? But if any Dems are involved, they should go down just as hard as the Republicans.

Still, the "news" media is not supposed to speculate, but to operate on what is known. They've been doing a shoddy job for some time now, so what else is new? Call them on it, but be prepared to change your mind if any new information comes to light. There's something about this whole scenario I don't like. :shrug: Maybe I've just become paranoid.

[LA lady]

19. I am worried...

I am terrifeid Abramoff will do everything in his power to take down Democrats. He LOVES the Repukes and I think will lie to help them.

[LynnTheDem]

33. FACT; Abramoff NEVER gave ONE PENNY to ANY Dem, or to ANY Dem org.

That is just a documented FACT.

Period.

And if he had, it wouldn't have been illegal.

What is illegal is his giving money in return for favors. FACT IS, he ONLY gave money to Republicans.

That doesn't mean every Republican he gave money to did favors in return (illegal), but several did, and Abramoff has already named them.

Read Abramoff's plea agreement.

[immoderate]

26. We can't trust Abramoff but....

if he tries to bullshit now, he is in a precarious position. Lies that he tells now will void his deal with the feds to save his ass! The question should be about Abramoff's devotiion to self preservation.

--IMM

[blm]

18. HAH...Gets my vote for GREATEST.

I concur with your conclusion and your excellent DELIVERY.

[leftofthedial]

20. liars

they are stupid too, but they keep saying this stuff because they are congenital liars. If they don't lie, even they, with all their mental illness, can't rationalize the congnitive dissonance. So, like their patron demon Ronnie Raygun, they just make up shit and start spouting it over and over even after they have been told that it is a lie.

[stepnw1f]

21. They Are Beyond Stupid

They are traitors.

[Neil Lisst]

22. And that's why the Foxers are so intent on saying "gave to both sides"

Fox-Bush-Rove know that for their followers, reality is whatever the Foxes say it is.

[depakid]

23. It's not so much the right wing

as it is the so called "journalists" and "news" editors in this country who keep planting and repeating lies.

They get the lion's share of the blame for EVERYTHING that's happened to this country over the past 10 years. My hope is that someone's been keeping a list- a Mme DeFarge, so to speak.

[AndyTiedye]

24. They Are Not Stupid, They Are LIARS

They know that the media will endlessly repeat their lies,
and that a lot of impressionable people will believe them.

[wildbilln864]

27. Please Help Support John Conyers...

Sorry but off topic. It willnot yet let me start a new thread, how many posts does it take?
Support HR635, HR636, and HR637. And ask Harry Reid why he's letting the Bushco get away with everything. Visit http://giveemhellharry.com/blog/68/we-must-end-the-culture-of-corruption and demand Harry support John Conyers.
Reid has now publicly stated he doesn't want to impeach this president. What kind of cowering bullshit is this? Minority Leader? That's a funny one. Where's the Hell you're supposed to be giving em, Harry?

IMPEACH THE NEOCON CRIMINALS!

[wildbilln864]

29. Read it free here...

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5769

[LynnTheDem]

34. Reid did NOT say he didn't want bush impeached; the opposite in fact.

Reid said he wants a full investigation and IF that investigation finds bush guilty, THEN bush should be "held accountable" and impeached.

[acmavm]

28. I'm sure no dem got money from Jack. But I'd still like to see where he

says this himself. It will/would be very helpful with a couple of snot nosed morans that I know.

[LynnTheDem]

35. In his plea agreement.

Or his federal records.

His plea agreement I cannot access on this 'puter; you should be able to get it via google. (I can't get PDFs to open on my office 'puter, sorry.)

[MercutioATC]

31. They're speaking in the broader sense.

No Dems got personal campaign contributions from Abramoff directly.

Some Dems got money or services in ways that might indicate some tie to Abramoff.


The personal contributions aren't the real issue - the tribal money and services are.

[LynnTheDem]

38. NATIVE AMERICANS ARE AMERICANS AND HUMANS.

They are allowed to donate their money to any bloody political party they bloody well want. That is LEGAL.

Even if Abramoff had given money to Dems it would have been LEGAL.

It's his having given several REPUBLICANS money IN EXCHANGE for favors that is illegal.

Rightwingnuts constantly say Abramoff gave money to Dems, too...NO HE DID NOT.

Native TRIBES gave money to Dems...that's THEIR LEGAL RIGHT to do so. Did any Dems do favors in exchange for tribal (or any other) donations? Perhaps; let's investigate it...but that's NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with ABRAMOFF.

*note; I'm pissed off at the MFing US "media" and the rightwingnut assholes, not you; my tone of post is not directed at yourself. ;)

[MercutioATC]

42. No offense taken

:)


However, when a Democratic Senator uses a facility held in Abramoff's name without reimbursing for that use, it's more than a matter of "getting money from tribes". It may have been unintentional. Reimbursement WAS made months later. There may be absolutely NO wrongdoing involved.

If a Republican Senator had done the same thing, though, we'd believe that it should be looked into. I think many people here are applying a double standard in some cases and I feel that's dangerous.

's all I'm saying...

[LynnTheDem]

44. Nope, what RWnuts are saying is Abramoff gave money to DEMS.

Period.

And NO he did not.

PERIOD.

Now if ANY govt official took bribes, regardless of political party, they need to be investigated & held accountable. Of course.

But that is not what rightwingnuts are saying; they are saying ABRAMOFF GAVE MONEY TO DEMS. And in fact NO he did not.

That's all. :)

[MercutioATC]

45. Do you think that Abramoff gave a "service" to the Senator in the

hypothetical post?

(I'm trying to figure out if the hangup is "money" or "Abramoff gave")

[Rex]

36. Not stupid, they know it and use their powers over the masses

to purposely spread misinformation and propaganda. Not stupid at all. They will propagate this lie for as long as they control the media channels. Lie enough times and it becomes reality to people with no short term memory.

[Ilsa]

37. Bookmarked and Recommended! eom

[glitch]

40. Not just right wingers. left wingers are spreading the meme as well.

No excuse for spreading RNC talking points.

here is the article from Newsweek where Abramoff trashes the Tribes and their Dem contributions: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10756433/site/newsweek/

[rman]

48. MSNBC is Left-wing?

Hardly. It may be to the left of FOX, but it's easy to be more left then FOX. By that measure CNN is left-wing as well.
If you want Left-wing media you'll have to go to www.democracynow.org, or listen to such programs as AAR Majority Report, Mother Jones radio etc.

[glitch]

49. Sorry, wasn't talking about MSNBC.

I listen to a radio show that is left-wing and they were spreading it. I posted the msnbc link to validate the thread, not my post.
Not super obvious, my bad.

[rman]

50. No problem. I'm curious which LW radio show is spreading

those rumors.

[glitch]

51. I talked with the host and he is "checking into it"

so, since he's got an open mind I am not going to dish the dirt on him. If he doesn't correct himself I will. And stop listening. I want accuracy in my sources.
And, FWIW, I consider Pacifica left-wing, AAR is moderate IMO.

[rman]

52. I see.

Though I think that while "AAR" as such is moderate, some AAR programs are less moderate then others.