Put Zinni on the ticket as VP. The repukes would piss in their pants.

[Elwood P Dowd]

He was brilliant on MTP today. Timmy knew this guy had his shit together, so he didn't rough him up like he did MaPain on a few occasions.

Every thing Zinni predicted back in 2002/2003 has come true. Can you imagine some idiot like Jeb Bush or George Allen trying to debate this man?

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Did we see the same show?

Zinni let * off the hook completely - said he'd been given "bad intelligence".

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. I think the gloves would come off if he were running

against those bastards. Bush WAS given bad intelligence. It's not his fault daddy's sperm and mommy's egg produced an idiot.

[Fredda Weinberg]

6. Have you heard 'bout Waas' latest report?

* knew about those aluminum tubes, but stuck to the lie that they were useful for centrifuges. No, I think Zinni is covering for the clan and wouldn't want to see him nominated for dog catcher.

[Elwood P Dowd]

7. Zinni all but said they were lying.

I don't think the corporate media would even give him an interview if he were going around calling Bush a lying sack of shit.

Retired Generals are always somewhat guarded with their remarks about the President. Zinni is no different.

[Fredda Weinberg]

8. You don't know the corporate media as well as you think you do

They love controversy - if Zinni called out *, he'd get headline play. He'd just have to have his facts in order.

If he doesn't know, he should say so - rather, he cleared * which will only make the Iranian threat more credible. No, he did another disservice to this nation but probably helped himself.

[Elwood P Dowd]

9. Zinni was against the war from the beginning

How did he do another disservice to this nation? He was one of the few voices out there before the invasion saying this was a mistake. Our dems were falling all over themselves supporting the damn invasion.

[Fredda Weinberg]

10. "Who's mistake?" is the relevant question

It's everyone's fault but *'s

Now, in a new book about his career, co-written with Tom Clancy, called "Battle Ready," Zinni has handed up a scathing indictment of the Pentagon and its conduct of the war in Iraq.

In the book, Zinni writes: "In the lead up to the Iraq war and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and corruption."

“I think there was dereliction in insufficient forces being put on the ground and fully understanding the military dimensions of the plan. I think there was dereliction in lack of planning,” says Zinni. “The president is owed the finest strategic thinking. He is owed the finest operational planning. He is owed the finest tactical execution on the ground. … He got the latter. He didn’t get the first two.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. Zinni also said

"I only went to the Wall once, and it was very difficult," he says, talking about his sole visit to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the Mall. "I was walking down past the names of my men," he recalls. "My buddies, my troops -- just walking down that Wall was hard, and I couldn't go back."

Now he feels his nation -- and a new generation of his soldiers -- have been led down a similar path.

"Obviously there are differences" between Vietnam and Iraq, he says. "Every situation is unique." But in his bones, he feels the same chill. "It feels the same. I hear the same things -- about not telling the good news, about cooking up a rationale for getting into the war." He sees both conflicts as beginning with deception by the U.S. government, drawing a parallel between how the Johnson administration handled the beginning of the Vietnam War and how the Bush administration touted the threat presented by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. "I think the American people were conned into this," he says. Referring to the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which the Johnson administration claimed that U.S. Navy ships had been subjected to an unprovoked attack by North Vietnam, he says, "The Gulf of Tonkin and the case for WMD and terrorism is synonymous in my mind."

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Most retired Generals talk like Zinni when referring to the President - any President.

Why is it that certain people on this board continue to blast anyone that's not a member of their approved board of liberal thinkers? When Zinni or Lou Dobbs or anyone else not on their politically correct list says something that helps our cause, they are immediately attacked. My own mother voted for Bush in 2000. If she posted on this board, she would be crucified if those facts were revealed. No wonder we keep losing elections.

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. It doesn't help our cause to lie

or cover-up deliberate deception.

I don't know if you remember Watergate, but I do. Democrats made major gains once it was conclusively demonstrated that Nixon himself participated in the crimes for which Mitchell, Haldeman and Ehrlichman were willing to take the rap.

[eleny]

2. Only problem I had with him is that he wants to stay in Iraq

Otherwise, he really is a dynamo speaking truth to power.

[LA lady]

3. hmmmm

According to Tom Clancy he is a registered Repub and he endorsed Bush Cheney in 2000

[Elwood P Dowd]

5. My 87-year-old mother voted for Bush Cheney in 2000

Now she is back as a registered Democrat and hates those two.

[RebelOne]

13. That's true. He just stated that this morning on WJ.