Bob Barr says McKinney is living proof of need for "preemptive" arrest

[CatWoman]

:rofl:

The doctrine of pre-emptive arrests, which has already found currency in the Bush administration national security policy of pre-emptive war, makes for a much tidier law enforcement agenda than the current situation in which prosecutors and police have to spend sometimes extensive resources actually proving a crime has occurred and that a particular person is guilty of criminal actions.

In the case at hand involving McKinney, for example, her disdain for the police force on Capitol Hill is well-known and previously exhibited; and on a particular day in which she is harried, busy speaking on a cellphone and clearly having a bad hair day, it would be obvious that she was a time bomb waiting to explode at the nearest person wearing a badge. Pre-emptive arrest would be not only advisable, but essential to protect her, all police officers within her arm's reach, and the surrounding public. Open and shut case.

Such a program would pay obvious dividends in other areas of Washington as well. I mean, look at how long it has taken the feds to convict Jack Abramoff and a couple of others for engaging in a lengthy and --- to many --- obvious pattern of public corruption. Think how much that investigation has already cost in terms of hours, dollars and effort; and it's not over yet. How much simpler it would have been to simply arrest Abramoff the first time he was spotted plying the halls of Congress in a black trench coat and equally black fedora. Who but a purveyor of corruption would so brazenly wear such an obviously corrupt (and corrupting) outfit in Washington?

http://www.ajc.com/today/content/epaper/editions/today/opinion_4433534422fdb1cf000e.html

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Because of McKinney, the paranoia of certain white men is really showing.

:eyes:

[CatWoman]

2. this is comedy!!

come on, now :hi:

p.s. -- Bob Barr is not white.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Well that's proof I didn't bother reading the whole thing.:)

If Barr isn't white, then what is he? Is he in a species all on his own? LOL!

[CatWoman]

20. actually, Bob Barr is black.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. Now come on CatWoman. I've seen the jokes about Barr,

but this is a white man. I haven't seen the proof that he's black. No way! we don't want to claim him. ;-)

[CatWoman]

34. I'm telling you he's black

his first wife was as well.

Seems once he shed her, he shed his race as well.

[lukasahero]

35. You mean this Bob Barr?

Did I miss something? (Seriously, I can be a little obtuse but...)

[CatWoman]

38. yes, that Bob Barr

I'm amazed that folks find that so hard to believe.

My best friend has green eyes, and is about Barr's completion.

She is black.

I worked with a black girl who had blonde hair. She told me that when she was a kid, the kids used to taunt her about it. She put shoe polish in her hair to try to change the color, and her hair turned green.

you think all of the race mixing througout the years wouldn't show up somehow?

[Catherine Vincent]

41. It's not that I find it hard to believe.

But why would a black guy in this day and age pass for something he's not. I can't see it. Has he ever been questioned about that?

[CatWoman]

44. I recall reading some time back

that he stormed out of a speech when asked about his race.

I don't understand why you wouldn't think people still continue this practice.

Blacks passing as white was widely practiced during slavery and following the civil war, into the Jim Crow area.


and it continues today.

i read a story about a man whose father passed him off as Italian. The guy didn't know he had black blood until his child was born black.


and this wasn't very long ago, either.

[Jersey Devil]

68. You should read "The Human Stain" by Philip Roth

Fascinating book about a black man who who is a college dean and passes for white for his entire life.

[Catherine Vincent]

94. I didn't read the book but I did see the movie.

It was good. Was this based on a true story?

[lukasahero]

49. I guess it's the complexion

I meant no offense but damn, he's paler than I am. Thanks for the info.

[alphafemale]

37. Yep. I've heard this too.

Same person who told me this, also told me about Strom Thurmond's mixed-race daughter.

And that was YEARS before that story came out in the media.

[goclark]

43. Interesting Cat Woman

My people sure didn't claim him as far as I know. :)

What was his wife's name before she married him, maybe I can check it out.

Thanks for the info and I'm believing you.

My,my,my!

[CatWoman]

48. sorry, don't know the first wife's name

the second wife's name, however, was Gail:

http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Barr/barr1.html

[stanwyck]

50. Sorry. He's black. He's all yours, honey

The Black Congressional Congress always used to send Barr notices of their meetings -- as a half-serious joke. It's been while known for years that Barr is "passing.". His first two wives were black. Before he decided he was white.
But I love his answer when he's been asked straight out about his ancestry.
"I'm not black. I just photograph black."

[CatWoman]

73. I normally refer to him as Bob "Buckwheat" Barr

:D

[mitchum]

63. It's true...that's why he's known as "Passin' Bob"

[bunkerbuster1]

85. You mean like this classic from Whitehouse.org?

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2003/ex-negro.pdf

We're standing for the truth
that Negroes can change.

A recent gathering of Baptists Invoking God’'s Old Testament Standards, a nationwide Ex-Negro ministry, drew more than 850 people to Pulaski, Tennessee, to proclaim that hope for change is possible for those still struggling with acting like a Negro.

Thousands of former colored people can celebrate a new life because someone cared enough to share with them the truth of God's healing love. Thank you Bob Barr, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes and baseball hero John Rocker for having the courage to speak the truth: with Christ'’s love (and the repeal of so-called “nondiscrimination” laws by Congress), Negroes can learn that true happiness will only come when they learn to act like normal people -- us.

[Kailassa]

90. And we have proof that prayer can bring about such a change.

With the help of a regular dowsing in peroxide solution.



He's even changed his eye colour.

I wonder if he regrets his betrayal of his ancestry for the sake of those who will just as happily throw him in the garbage yet?

From the bitter tone of this little satire, I'd suspect he does.

[Marie26]

53. He's KIDDING

Bob Barr & McKinney are allies on the civil liberties issue.

[stepnw1f]

74. That's What I Thought Too... (nt)

[zbdent]

3. So let's round up all the repukes and pre-emptively arrest them

for corruption.

I mean, it's bound to come out that they are all corrupt and taking bribes. This just eliminates the waiting period for evidence . . . that's the Right thing to do, right?

[cali]

4. OMG

This is a joke right?

[CatWoman]

5. yes

rather tongue in cheek :D

[shenmue]

6. Bob Barr is a moron

He should stop running for the House and just run for Douche.

[CatWoman]

7. you people just don't get it

this is comedy.

he's laughing AT the police.

[shenmue]

12. I'm "you people"?

Sheesh. I don't know you.

[CatWoman]

14. ok, you really have me stumped here

"you people" as in "you people who don't understand this is a comedy bit".

You okay?

[shenmue]

21. I didn't think that was funny.

Guess I'm off the thread.

[CatWoman]

22. buh bye!!!

[slaveplanet]

25. Bob Barr is a rightwinger

and he's been called a moonbat too

because he's virulently anti patriot act

just like McKinney...Imagine that

[Jade Fox]

8. Is he serious??

[NYCGirl]

9. For those who don't realize it, HE IS JOKING to make a point about the

serious lawbreakers in DC like Abramoff

[CatWoman]

10. thank you

:hi:

[ShortnFiery]

39. Well THAT humor is lost on me.

:wtf:

[bunkerbuster1]

84. It's pretty dark humor. I know his work pretty well, read him in the AJC

most every time his column appears, and even I wasn't sure this morning until I'd read most of the way through.

He's a real heartless dick on a lot of issues, but he's been on our side when it comes to reining in the President... any President. One of those rare principled conservative-leaning-libertarian.

[Armstead]

11. FOLKS -- THIS IS SARACSM

(At least I hope so.)

Read the whole column. He is using the Swiftian approach to satire (As in "A Modest Proposal") in which you take a premise that you disagree with to ridiculous extremes, while pretending to support.

[CatWoman]

13. thanks for trying to corral all these cats

:hi:

[NNN0LHI]

36. Herding puddy cats can be hard work n/t

[CatWoman]

42. LOL!!

:hi: Don!!

[Skinner]

18. Thank you. (nt)

[Beausoir]

26. This is what happens when I read a post too quickly.

Doh. Thanks.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Fuck his sarcasm ... I'm sick of this shit! n/t

[NYCGirl]

47. You're sick of the fact that he's on the right side about this?

Maybe you'd better step away from the computer for a while.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Maybe you should consider the liberal wing of the democratic

party before "jumping on board" with a republican?

[NYCGirl]

52. When it comes to civil liberties, Bob Barr is one of the good ones.

Educate yourself.

[ShortnFiery]

55. Yes, if you want to be a pro-civil liberties REPUBLICAN ...

No, McKinney has more "good acts" on her side than Bob Barr every conceived.

Oh, because he's got a positive side to him, we all must "jump aboard" and trash a fellow democrat's character because she is well not as CLASSY as we would like her to be? No, this thread speaks volumes in more ways than you think.

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[ShortnFiery]

60. I did read the article, and for the life of me I don't find it amusing ...

Many of us folks who hold McKinney in high esteem are getting a little tired of all this bunk. As much a "panda bear" McCain is kissing RW ass, he has twice the class and character as one each Bob Barr.

But that's an opinion ... again, I read your article through TWICE = IMO, trash talk wrapped up with a satirical bow.

[Marie26]

62. It's a JOKE. Barr is a McKinney fan.

They've been odd allies on this issue.

[Catrina]

65. ShortnFiery (love the name btw) he's NOT thrashing her. He's making

a mockery of those who want to charge her with a crime ~ and he's using Bush's 'pre-emptive' strike policy to do it. It's really quite funny and definitely pro-Cynthia.

I understand your being upset though, after the past few days here with the Cynthia bashing all over the place. When I read the first few lines, I was about to jump all over him also. He's pretty good on civil liberty issues and has been with Al Gore and the ACLU on the Patriot Act issue, eg.

Off topic, but I had no idea he was black ~ I wonder why he would pretend to be otherwise? Sad he feels he has to deny his heritage ~

[ShortnFiery]

75. If it's funny to you and yours - that's all that matters :-)

You may love it and think it's grand, but I don't get the humor nor appreciate the narrative. Perhaps I just don't get it - I don't know for sure because I've read it yet a third time.

To each his/her own. ;)

On Edit: I don't disrespect anyone who finds it funny, just that it's not something that I will be passing around my circle of friends on da email.

And hell, consider I'm one of "very few" ... most folks on this thread loved it. So what the hell do I know? <laughing in spite of myself>

BTW I didn't know Barr and McKinney are buds? Perhaps, in a way, you're right, I'm just getting too upset at this whole issue. Point taken.

Thank you for the complement on my screen name. Have a great day.

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[ShortnFiery]

61. Self delete

[Marie26]

57. Says McKinney was set-up?

That's the most interesting thing about this article, to me. Barr seems to be implying that the Capitol Police deliberately targeted her, hoping she'd get angry. I've seen people on DU say this, but it's really telling that a former Congressman like Barr would believe it. By the way, does anyone know why he lost his Congressional seat?

[Charlie Brown]

77. He lost to another Republican (I think Linder) in '02

I never cared for Barr, but at least he is principled in his views on limited gov't and free speech. Linder is just an ass-hole.

I kind of wonder if his "race" had anything to do with the defeat.

[CatWoman]

78. His seat was redistricted during that election

so was Cynthia.

Cynthia was upseated, courtesy of Zell Miller.

Can't say the same about Bob.

After reapportionment, Barr decided to run against Linder, an ally of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former head of the National Republican Congressional Committee, instead of running in another Democratic-leaning district that contained much of his old territory.

The new district had more Linder voters than Barr voters. However, many voters were new to both men, and Barr had a fund-raising advantage.

With the two conservative candidates largely agreeing on the major issues, the race became personal. Barr ran ads showing himself as a strapping horse racing across a pasture -- and Linder as a pony. When an antique pistol Barr was handing at the home of a supporter went off accidentally, Linder branded him a "loose cannon." A man dressed as the cartoon character Yosemite Sam then began showing up at Barr's events.

Linder's campaign also put video on its Web site showing Barr supporters pulling down Linder's yard signs.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/20/primary.preview/index.html

[Marie26]

98. Interesting

That both seats were redistricted out at a time when McKinney & Barr were both strong opponents of the Patriot Act. Those two do, ironically, have a lot in common. Thanks for posting this article; it's pretty interesting. Barr seems truly done w/the Republican party, doesn't he?

[Beacho]

15. Bob Barr is hardcore about civil liberties

despite his RW politics. He's using a swiftian approach to blast pre-emptive detention.

[xxqqqzme]

16. guilty until proven innocent - what a concept

and he practices LAW???

He needs a pre-emptive muzzle.

[Marie26]

59. Jeez.

Read it again; it's satire. That's why the smilie is laughing. Barr's been completely against the Patriot Act.

[Patsy Stone]

17. Nice "Modest Proposal".

LOL. Sadly, this day is almost here...

[Tsiyu]

23. Haha

Glad to see someone can see the idiocy and make it amusing.

This whole deal sure deflated the Delay story. I've been sitting here this morning just muttering, "Why the hell are people so damned stupid?"

It's like even Dems can be brainwashed with just a few key words. I saw people pontificate on McKinney's situation on thread after thread, but then those same people had not a word to say about Delay.

Now Delay wants to bring up ethics charges on McKinney? What the hell Bizarro World is this? If this wasn't all so tragic in its implications for our nation, I would laugh.

Right now I'm just disgusted.

[CatWoman]

24. Buddy

Let's go to the Hop!!

:D

[Tsiyu]

29. Okay!

I need some hoppin' goin' on.

[Kailassa]

86. Don't assume they are Dems just because they pontificate here.

Someone spouting obvious idiocies might be a lurker as well as an idiot.

And some lurkers here have over 1000 posts, they are not all easy to pick.

[Tsiyu]

102. I know, but thanks for the reminder Kailassa

:hi:

[Brotherjohn]

27. This should be "Late Breaking News": CONSERVATIVE DISCOVERS SARCASM!

Seriously, when is the last time you read a conservative pundit or politician use this kind of satire?

What lengths neocon policy has had to go to get him there, though!

He's not only using sarcasm to make a point about real criminals in Washington like Jack Abramoff, but also to make a point about pre-emptive war and the general erosion in civil liberties becoming more and more prevalent.

Despite Barr's past record, at least he sees now that conservative judges can be at least, if not more, "activist" than liberals. At least he sees that warrantless domestic wire-tapping is clearly illegal. At least he sees the fallacies of Bush's pre-emptive war.

Would that they all similarly wake up.

[CatWoman]

31. see?

Chimpy really IS a uniter :D

[LostinVA]

28. "Minority Report" was a good MOVIE

And, if that moran Barr actually watched it, he'd understand it was a cautionary tale that doing this is CRAZY.

OMG.

[NYCGirl]

32. If you read the article, you'd realize that's EXACTLY WHAT THE ARTICLE

IS, too.

[LostinVA]

33. I was confused about who the author was!!!

[Marie26]

54. It's satire

He's showing how far Republicans are willing to take the concept of law & order; and also implying that McKinney was set up.

[Ilsa]

45. Then we need a pre-emptive arrest of all GOPers because they

are all so corrupt and have such disdain for the Constitution and laws of our land. And since we don't want to house them indefinitely, might as well bring out the guillotine. :sarcasm:

[FiveGoodMen]

64. Old George Carlin bit:

Back in the 80's, referring to Reagan's gang:

"...it's called preventive detention...all you have to do is THINK someone's going to commit a crime and you throw them in jail...Well if we'd have known about this shit seven or eight years ago we could have thrown a whole bunch of these republican mother-fuckers directly into prison and saved ourselves the time and expense of prosecuting these country-club, pinheaded assholes."

Lets just dwell on that one, gorgeous phrase for a minute, shall we? Republican mother-fuckers directly into prison. I think I hear a choir.

[Ilsa]

89. And I'll sing alto. Count me in . Great bit, thanks. I missed it then. e

[no name no slogan]

46. Only if pre-emptive arrests can be made for licking whipped cream

off the boobs of strippers, on videotape. Then they would've had to arrest Mr. Bob "Family Values" Barr, too.

[warrens]

66. I think he's kidding

Either that or his libertarian streak ended.

[slaveplanet]

67. The best thing about this thread

is not the article, which is very good.

But the way it exposes the morans around here is precious.

It will help with the ol' ignore option

[Jersey Devil]

69. The thread is as funny as the article

He should do standup.

[Marie26]

82. It sort of is

Reading comprehension taking a beating here. I might get out some :popcorn: for this thread.

[Catherine Vincent]

71. Wha ?

Freepers are among us?

[slaveplanet]

72. No

Perhaps I should have used the standard spelling- "Morons"

those that just don't get it.

[Catherine Vincent]

76. I think they did what I did.

Read the headline and skimmed the article. I didn't know it was sarcasm.

[slaveplanet]

91. I was only joking

don't take it literally...It was an easy mistake

but one people are making alot in some of these other Mckinney threads

[baby_mouse]

70. Bob Barr is living proof of the need for abortion. NT.

[Charlie Brown]

79. Come on, he's being ironic

read between the lines.

[ShortnFiery]

81. You know I've sort of ... well I may reconsider ...

Tell you what dear folks who find this funny. I'll print this off and read it again this weekend. Perhaps by then it will be hilarious?

It may be true that some of us still harbor "raw feelings" on this issue and not so open to satire from a <gasp> republican ... even if he is pro-civil liberties (which is DoublePlusEVIL in Freeper terms).

:dem: Unite! :pals:

[kestrel91316]

97. Not "ironic". FACETIOUS.

[baby_mouse]

103. I'm entirely serious, of course. NT.

[onenote]

80. wow! take a deep breath people -- its clearly tongue in cheek

Barr's piece is tongue in cheek, something that really should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Barr. While he is in many respects the same asshole he was during the Clinton impeachment, he also has become a very outspoken civil libertarian, speaking before and on behalf of the ACLU (he is a member) and very vocally criticizing the Patriot Act. Knowing that, its abundantly clear he's poking fun at those who think preemptive arrests are a good thing.

onenote

[Jose Diablo]

83. Well, Barr is proof of whats wrong

with the airheads in Georgia that put his narrow butt in a seat in Washington.

[New Government]

88. S-A-T-I-R-E ------ What's so hard about this?

Barr was being satirical. He is very pro-civil liberties. In fact, he WORKS for the ACLU!

[Jose Diablo]

93. A republican made a funny

I don't think any republican has anything to laugh about, even IF he WORKS for the ACLU!

Lets be very clear here, the Republican Party has gone far far beyond any reasonableness these last 6 years. From rigging elections, to passing laws that enrich their own pocket books at the expense of us, all of us.

For a republican, any republican, to say anything attempting to make light of what they have done is beyond the pale.

Where was Barr, when that puke Newt got in with his 'contract on America', right there beside him.

No, working for the ACLU is not a pass, not by a long shot. Screw him.

[Kailassa]

96. You still don't get it?

This is satire, it is not "a funny".

Barr is savaging what his own party are doing.

He is pointing out just where his own party's policies can lead, and if any GOP is going to tell the truth for a change, we should encourage them.

I'm not saying he is a good guy, but even a bad guy can ge it right sometimes. ;-)

[New Government]

101. That's too Black & White

Democrats=All Good
Republicans=All Bad

No......POLITICIANS=Mostly Bad

Most are out for themselves, regardless of party.
If you deny that, Jose, you are a tad naive.

[Jose Diablo]

104. I don't recall saying

Democrats=All Good
Republicans=All Bad

So let's cease with the strawman, 'black and white' and the following ad hominum of calling me naive. What are you trying to set-up, an argument that all politicians are bums, to excuse this batch of Republicans?

I said before, and I'll say it again, Barr doesn't get a pass just because he works for the ACLU. AS far as I'm concerned, his efforts supporting that peckerhead Newt from Kennesaw who in turn crashed the 'Peoples' house and turned it into a love fest of wealthy criminals is more than enough to call Barr out. Then in 2000, where was Barr when the BC went to him to try to get him to sign the petition to not seat the Florida electors until discussion in the Senate could determine if it was true that 50,000 voters, mostly black, had been disenfranchised through Jeb and Harris cooking the voter registrations, throwing the election to Jebs brother. All that started what we see today. So Barr is for the principles the ACLU fights for eh? How about the right to vote, thats something the blacks have fought and died for right here, in the south and Barr just blows that off.

And now I am supposed to think Barr is some kind of funny guy with his lame jokes?

So you and your buddy in the post above can cut the shit of calling me dumb and polar. Then putting forth the Rove talking point of even the Democrats are crooked, 'so why get upset'?

I think you are over your head here, pal.

[Kailassa]

87. What this thread exposes ...

is why so much of American comedy is made up of one-liners.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

92. "Irony is dead"...

... I just love the irony of that phrase.

Evidently, irony isn't dead but was sadly stillborn in some people.

[Marie26]

99. Great oneliner! nt

[EllieGreen]

95. Oog.

*Delete original message*

Damn...this was supposed to be a "funny" article. I'll shut up now.

[Lindacooks]

100. I say Bob Barr is a great case for retroactive abortion.

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