I respect people's religion, but Abramoff is NOT a strict Orthodox Jew

[RagingInMiami]

He is a fucking con man. A thief. A greedy swindler. He may be Jewish, but he does not abide by Jewish law.

[Olney Blue]

1. He has broken so many Jewish laws.

[still_one]

2. That is not what determines if someone is Jewish or NOT

and that is not even the issue, though it I am sure it will be used by the likes of david duke

I understand the point you are making, but in reality it is irrelevent

[RagingInMiami]

6. "Theft is forbidden"

Gentiles and Jewish law

All denominations of Jews hold that gentiles are not obliged to follow Halakha; only Jews are obliged do so. Judaism has always held that gentiles are obliged only to follow the seven Noahide Laws; these are laws that the oral law derives from the covenant God made with Noah after the flood, which apply to all descendants of Noah (all living people). The Noahide laws are derived in the Talmud (Tractate Sanhedrin 57a), and are listed here:

1. Murder is forbidden.
2. Theft is forbidden.
3. Sexual immorality is forbidden.
4. Eating flesh cut from a still-living animal is forbidden.
5. Belief in, and/or prayer to idols is forbidden.
6. Blaspheming against God is forbidden.
7. Society must establish a fair system of legal justice to administer these laws honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal

[still_one]

20. because a person sins does NOT take away a persons religion

Your implication is wrong. There is nothing in Judaism that strips a person of his Judaism if he does NOT obey Jewish laws

[RagingInMiami]

23. If you strip a person of his Judaism, wouldn't that make him a Gentile?

I specifically said he is Jewish.

I just believe his claims of being an Orthodox Jew are very hypocritical. I've known Orthodox Jews (I live in South Florida which has one of the largest Jewish populations in the country) and they are strict to the point of obsession about following Jewish laws.

Most Jews I know are proud of their religion and their culture but they would never claim to be Orthodox. If the topic ever comes up, they might laugh and say they do not have the discipline nor the will to follow such strict guidelines.

The point I was trying to make is that Abramoff is insulting to those who do follow these guidelines.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. There's Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed Judaism.

I just don't see him as an Orthodox Jew. They are as STRICT as it gets. I agree with you, he couldn't possibly be Orthodox. It's like believeing the IDIOT is a "Born Again" Christian, VERY religious man. MY ASS!

[hlthe2b]

3. Hell, I'd bet he'd become a Born again Xian....

if he thought it would get him out of his current "jam."

Don't you know we'll see lots of court room conversions shortly...

[babylonsister]

4. He's a con man-religion hasn't entered into it. The guy

was looking at 100 years; there's no religion in that!
Perhaps he's found his god now.
And I've read where he's an orthodox Jew; I. Don't. Think. So. :evilgrin:
Where is his offshore account, and who gets it?

[Fridays Child]

5. False piety--a well known tactic of the Christian Right.

Why should the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells of the world have all the fun?

[Malikshah]

7. Have people been bringing that up? I'm confused

Is it the "he's a religious man, and honorable man" angle?

Talk about muddying waters. He's a crook, whatever his belief system is.

[RagingInMiami]

8. The whole attire and the hat

It's a message he's trying to send out that despite all the shit against him, he has strong religious beliefs.

[incapsulated]

10. You know I heard that before and couldn't believe it

I just assumed he was going for the Jewish Mafia look. Because, you know... he's a scumbag lobbyist not a religious man.

[incapsulated]

9. I'm confused also

Is someone saying this guy is innately pious or something because he's Orthodox??

:rofl:

[tishaLA]

15. Pete Williams said he had "chutzpah"

On Tweety's Sunday show. I even talked to a friend about this: when was the last time Williams used "chutzpah" and was it about a non-Jew? They are obviously trying to Heeb-ify him with these little linguistic tricks. Next thing you know, he'll be called a shyster, a Shylock, etc. It's all typical coding gentiles use with Jews.

[bluestateguy]

11. I suppose his critics will now be called "anti-semetic"

He deserves the death penalty.

[txindy]

12. Quick question: What's missing in the following picture of Jack?

If he's Orthodox, I mean. What's missing?




He is a fraud, in every way.

[RagingInMiami]

13. Sideburns?

Beard?

[txindy]

16. LOL More like something covering his fat head.

At least one of those lovely hats he keeps. Unfortunately, not all of them match his clothing. Maybe he's color blind? But he's not orthodox if he is outside without a headcovering of some sort.

Adding (because I forgot):

I'm lol because he DID have the beard once, such as it was. He's a pathetic fraud, I must say.

[radwriter0555]

14. abramoff behaves in a classically guilty manner, as a supposed orthodox

religious person.... by wearing the garb of his orthodoxy while committing his crimes, he hopes to divert the penance which he believes he must pay.

An innocent man doesn't dress to favor his gods, an innocent man proclaims his innocence to the world around him for all to hear.

[leveymg]

17. Meyer Lansky was Jewish, too. A bad Jew. So is Jack.

Lansky, like Abramoff, was a mobster who made league with the Republicans. In his case, he decided during World War Two to make a deal with the Dulles brothers. John Foster was RNC Chair and Allen the head of the OSS office in Bern, Switzerland, which was the hub of money and diplomatic exchange with the Axis. Using Luciano's money, Lansky invested hundreds of millions of the the Mafia's money in legalized gambling and in the GOP. Both of these were smart investments that have paid off handsomely, and this was the start of the Mob-spook-big oil axis from which the Bush family drew its money and power. http://continuity.gnn.tv/

In this historical context, there's nothing surprising about Jack the Black Hat.

[RagingInMiami]

19. But Meyer Lansky never claimed to be Orthodox

Lanksky, by the way, is buried in Miami, down the street from where Abramoff pleaded guilty last week.

[applegrove]

18. Absolutely!

[rucky]

21. When did being a fundamentalist become a good thing?

Jew, Muslim or XTian. and yes, "strict Orthodox" is fundie. Sorry if I sound bitter, but while most kids were playing T-Ball, I was receiving Zionist indoctronation 5 times a week.

[bklyncowgirl]

22. Crooks and con men come in all religious denominations

It's as old as recorded history.

Abramoff may well have kept the rituals of Orthodox religion, kosher foods, covering his head etc while totally ignoring the spiritual and ethical tenets of his faith.

He's no more true to the Torah then Pat Robertson is to the teachings of Jesus.

[blm]

24. He's doing what ALL Republicans do, USES the fundies of all religions to

hide behind while they pursue their FASCIST AGENDA.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. 613 (?) COMMANDMENTS he hasn't followed. He's screwed.

:) and I agree, he's no Orthodox Jew...he just plays one in Washington D.C..

[sugapablo]

26. It just means he doesn't bribe on Shabbos!

That's "the sabbath" to my goyim friends. ;)