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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:12 AM Original message |
Poll question: How many still believe we lost 2004 because Kerry was a bad campaigner? |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. How about both? Kerry could have been much better & there was fraud? nt |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Amen to that! |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What difference would it have made? |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. VA, CA and NJ 05. It may be an uphill battle, but we can win elections.nt |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
112. That's my choice. |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
134. Yes, I agree, it was both. n-t |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
139. I would have voted if there was a "Both" Option... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. Everything isn't a conspiracy. |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
166. Didn't I make it clear? the evidence is in: Bush Stole the Election! |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:05 AM Response to Reply #166 |
176. If Kerry won by 5M votes at least, how does this show a bad campaign? |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #176 |
186. Even Kerry regrets the way he handled the SBVT |
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Rodger Dodger (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #139 |
223. I Agree |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 07:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
180. That's the one. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 07:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
182. Precisely right. |
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Mutley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
196. My choice as well. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
4. Even if you don't buy the BBV theft, you have to admit that |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. Exactly right! nt |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
97. I disagree. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. No no no no and no. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Ok.... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. SOME SORT OF EVIDENCE? |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. See my post to you below, |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #119 |
138. Any evidence Kerry did his best to have all votes be counted? |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. So....Kerry was a GOP plant? |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
141. Kerry didn't win because all of our votes were counted as he promised |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Try the election reform forum. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:36 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. So who had access? And is there a map that shows which Precints and states |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. TRUTHISALL, where are you! |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
205. TruthIsAll now posting on ProgressiveIndependent.com BUT |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #118 |
126. I believe there was one a while back. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. this is an awful poll... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:18 AM Original message |
Tada! fascist vs. fascist lite is no choice. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Kerry's Policies Were Totally Different Then Bushes. WTF Are You Talking |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. He obviously believed the talking heads and not Kerry |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. the WOT is a scam, Iraq is illegal, immoral, and unwinnable... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. He called bullshit over and over |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. see #20 above.... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Great - one of those discussions. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. OK, lets talk about your examples.... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
100. Like I said - "One of those discussions" |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Thank you thank you thank you! |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
131. God I hope I'm not the only one! nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. Of course not. ;) |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:41 AM Original message |
your entire post consist of vague, empty attacks. Fact, we are in Iraq. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
30. good god, you have really bought their lies.... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Kerry's believes on terror pre-dated 2001 |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. when he formed his opinions about "terror" is irrelevant.... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. he never even said BUSH LIED to us in the Senate |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. BULL. Kerry said terror needed to be dealt with as a LAW ENFORCEMENT issue |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. that's just spin on the Bush approach.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. BULL. Kerry specifically stated that the ORIGINS of terror need to be |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. you know, simply dismissing comments you don't agree with as bull... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I did more than that and you ignored the entire reply because it's TRUE. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Sometimes there's just no point in trying. |
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Noisy Democrat (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
212. Yes, Kerry stood by |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. that's something tough to get around: War on Terror big lie |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. nonetheless it is a big lie, and Kerry repeated it at every opportunity... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Sadly, a lot of Dems joined him in that. To his credit, he did say |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
91. Kerry said no such thing. You can't read any of his speeches on terror, |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Bush understands the orgins in Oil and religion. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. EXACTLY. They use what they know to instigate Holy Wars in their push |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. LOL!!!! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Then you don't know Kerry like you THINK. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. I confess, I haven't read the National Security Archives much. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Uh... one of the things you'll learn when you read the NSArchives is that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Deleted message |
blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Think so, huh? Try researching Bush, BCCI, Bin Laden, Pakistan and Kerry |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. Yes, drug dealers like Noriega used the system.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #148 |
154. Maybe a refresher would help - |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #148 |
159. BTW - a junior senator DOES write bills, too, but if a SENIOR senator |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #142 |
161. Oh, health care |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #142 |
167. BTW....BCCI is still important in other countries as well. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #135 |
190. Then why didn't he blow his own horn? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #190 |
197. Does Bush promote himself or do the RNC and GOP pundits do it for him? |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #197 |
206. Exactly.. its the PROPAGANDA stupid.. thats why we are even discussing... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #206 |
226. EXCELLENT POST. I'm afraid too many will miss your words. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #132 |
157. Kerry was never bland |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #157 |
191. So why didn't we see THAT Kerry in the campaign? |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
92. Yup |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
116. Agreed. n/t |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. My sister still parrots this idea. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. That your poll is too skewed. n/t |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Explain |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Personally I think he was a bad campaigner that did such an awful |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. So then, you believe BushCo stole the election |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. So just ignore the first part of my opinion, that'll get support. n/t |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I am ignoring nothing. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. He was a responsible for his campaign, which was so bad that it made the |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You continue to miss the point. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. IRL it is a mitigating factor. The fact is that the people that crave |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
163. Did you see a rally live or on CSPAN? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
9. Why can't it be a combination of many factors? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Nuance is a treasured trait in every civilized nation's leader. US media |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. I watched here on DU as the exit polls inexplicably shifted.... like magic |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
11. We're fighting the Dem powerstructure on this, too, Atman. They claim Dems |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. BLM, would you post this as a seperate thread? About STRATEGIST Class |
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txindy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
16. Kerry drew massive crowds everywhere he went |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
17. the bushgang stole it, but Kerry was mediocre at best |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Yeah - distrust the one guy who has done more to expose corruption than |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. thanks |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. answering in kind - trust is earned over years and decades..... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. he quit |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. THAT'S where you are dead wrong - The establishment was AGAINST Kerry |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
19. I don't know |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
22. No campaign is perfect. Kerry stumbled in spots. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
24. I vote both. Kerry didn't go over with rank and file dems and Bush |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Cuz DNC Dems were not smart enough to handle their RNC counterparts as |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
32. JK=doomed choice, bad campaigner AND the Nazis stole it in Ohio |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
33. Not enough choices. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
34. I was thinking about the biggest rally Kerry had with Springsteen. |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. And the ones before that |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. While Bush's rallies were always small and hand-picked. |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. exactly! |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I was at the Cleveland one. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. that event is in the cspan archives available online |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
40. He was a weak, pandering, candidate running on a pro-war platforrm. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Oh. I didn't know you had to be indicted to commit a crime. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Accusations don't equal crimes, either. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. "...those doing the investigating haven't found any (crimes)." |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
121. Why aren't they in a "legal position" to do so? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. *sigh* |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
111. Bull crap |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
44. I think he was a bad campaigner |
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Sadie5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Bush debated badly |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
78. Kerry would win the judges, but not the crowd |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
86. Kerry lost by not fighting back |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Dean/Clark by 5%? Then the rigging would have been for 6% |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I don't believe that's true |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. They're covering it up now. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. I don't buy into cheap media polls for an instant |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
129. Yup - or Tommy Thompson would've issued another orange alert |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
201. Is that the same Dean who under far milder criticism |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
165. That is absolutely not true |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. Not HONEST enough? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. That's about right |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. What response do you think I wanted? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
108. Then just say that |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
46. Both--it could have been an unstealable landslide if he spoke plainly |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Agreed - It has to be close to be stealable |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. Which is why Gallup, Rasmussen, etc, are just as evil |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. How could it have been "unstealable?" |
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oneoftheboys (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
51. Kerry was good in the debates but lousy on the stump. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
202. Did you go to any or see them on CSPAN? |
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Noisy Democrat (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
210. Kerry was awesome on the stump |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. does this look like the crowd a bad campaigner draws? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
192. That's the anti-Bush crowd, not the pro-Kerry crowd |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. He sure |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. GWB is not a legitimate president... |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. Your poll is worded so it's impossible to answer. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Then just vote what you believe. Not impossible at all! |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Sorry, I'm not a republican, so I don't think it's either/or. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. My response to you was too harsh. |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
66. Zogby had Kerry winning on election eve. Exit polls had Kerry ahead |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
113. We heard from people "on the inside" on Election Night that exit polls |
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Nikki Stone 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #113 |
215. I am not surprised. Exit polls are quite accurate. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #215 |
224. I'm not going to drop any names, but these people are very seasoned, |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. Isn't there another forum for these wacko stolen election posts? |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. WTF? I think you owe the poster an apology. |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. I didn't call people wacko, I called the post wacko. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I have problems with the poll too. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. Don't you read DU? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
137. Do you have a link to that? nt |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. Linx |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. thanks - I agree with the last paragraph in the article |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #99 |
146. When do the indictmets start? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Have you read ANYTHING? |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. You said there was proof of stolen elections. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. *sigh* |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. And you avoid answering my question. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. "Let's look to the future!" The republican meme... |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Why is it up to them to indict themselves? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. That thumping you hear on the other side of the wall... |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #169 |
185. Well, since the facts are on my side, I'm comfortable with that. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #185 |
188. I don't really feel any need to respond further to you, Balbus |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #188 |
219. Good idea. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
179. you're saying the majority of DU-ers is wacko? |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #179 |
218. No, just 209 of them. |
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clixtox (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
70. The limited choice of positions offered in this poll suck |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Do you believe Bush stole 2004 or not? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
125. I hope, we continue to get "Born Losers" like Al Gore |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #70 |
193. Thank you, clixtox |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
83. bad campaign is a RW lie that dems believe. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #83 |
194. No, "bad campaign" is a conclusion I came to myself by actually |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
95. There is a difference between |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
103. Still, 1/4 of DUers seem to think Bush didn't steal the election. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. If you did the poll about the 2000 election the results would be different |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. Is DU the norm for the entire party? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Not at all, that's why I point it out |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. I want to believe...... |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Okay... |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. Here is a copy of a Michigan Statutes |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #145 |
184. It is not that simple. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #184 |
225. Sorry, I prefer logical progression to assumptions. |
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American liberal (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:51 AM Response to Reply #103 |
173. careful about extrapolating to the entire DU community |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
133. I believe both camps(Gore and Kerry) had moles in them...The Pub Kine... |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:05 AM Response to Reply #133 |
175. I believe the wiretaps were |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 07:45 AM Response to Reply #175 |
183. Yes. And they were probably annoyed that so many Dems |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
150. Why did Kerry tell Theresa she was paronoid because of Ohio irregularities |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
153. I believe the election was stolen but... |
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Left Below (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. Kerry is a boring stiff |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. I agree with you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 07:43 AM Response to Reply #158 |
181. I agree. But people like me voted for him anyway. More than that. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #156 |
227. The media said he had no charisma to downplay his import to real history |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
164. N.Y. Times sitting on NSA story. Voters would be pissed about Bush spying. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
170. hmm, those aren't quite the percentages I recall. ;) nt |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
171. How Kerry campaigned, and how the DLC deliberately mismanaged his campaign |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #171 |
174. The DLC deliberately mismanaged his campaign indeed |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
172. It's gotta be close so it can be stolen |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:15 AM Response to Reply #172 |
177. Not really. Not any more now that they have |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
178. Both - but there's a fair chance Kerry would have won |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
187. I believe it was a compilation of problems. diebolding contributed, but |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
189. I'm in the "both" camp |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
195. I think it is a combination of the two |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
198. Both |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
199. We lost the media/public opinion war due weak campaigning by Kerry |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
200. Kerry was a good campaigner. The media was bought. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
203. Let's not forget the likely WIRETAPPING of political enemies. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
204. There's no question he stole it, but I think he stole it a different way.. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
207. I think Bush was spying on the Kerry campain with the NSA... |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
208. both. campaign wasnt great and was retroactive and not proactive |
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Luftmensch067 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
209. Kerry was a kickass campaigner. And the election was stolen. |
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Noisy Democrat (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. You're right |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
213. Two cents |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. I think we owe you some change. |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. I am NOT posting flamebait |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:45 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. "What's wrong an honest observation?" |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. No, it's all good |
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jenndar (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
214. No. n/t |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
216. He was a bad campaigner |
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