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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:00 PM
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They TOLD YA SO, ya stupid MFing rightwingnuts.
Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary:

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

President GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth (RIP), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Republican Dissent on Iraq
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:


"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

General William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner, Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Not all Republicans are rightwingnuts;

Republican Rep. Bereuter: War in Iraq not justified

"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action. That's especially true in view of the fact that the attack was initiated "without a broad and engaged international coalition," the 1st District congressman said.

"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."

As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," he said.

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter is a senior member of the House International Relations Committee and vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/08/18/top_story/10053833.txt

But ALL rightwingnuts are the stupidest MFers on the planet; they believe(d) BUSH over some of the top US military commanders we've ever had? That's pretty damn stupid.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:08 PM
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1. Very compelling
Too bad most of them can't comprehend or have short term memory...probably both.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:47 PM
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34. Good post except for one thing. The wingnuts didn't really BELIEVE Bush.
They just didn't give a damn as long as he played the Rambo role and took out after those "rag heads." They don't give a damn about honesty, truth, the facts. They just want to kill somebody who doesn't look and act like them.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:34 PM
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36. You mean they want other people to kill people (and to die)
bush & ilk don't put their own lives in harm's way, especially not for a pack of lies.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:09 PM
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2. bereuter's blinkers
Bereuter cites "inadequate" intelligence. Not quite the real problem. The intelligence was more than adequate, it just wasn't what the chimperor and his neocon cabal wished to hear. They could not construct an adequate justification for war with what they had so they had to massage, tweak, embellish, spindle, fold, and mutilate it until it resembled what they needed then they lied about both it and the process by which it was analyzed. Top flight post lynn.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:11 PM
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3. this is why he is not going to attack iran
he has no support in the military. if push comes to shove i`m not sure if the military will obey his command. if i am correct powell and an associate wrote a paper in war college about the military overthrowing a government and -restoring-democracy..
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:12 PM
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4. Bookmarked & Recommended.


George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:15 PM
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5. They were out of the loop..
Just trying to sell books..
Shameless partisans..

etc.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:22 PM
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6. Excellent post.
:thumbsup:

I'm emailing this to every stupid MFing rightwingnut I know.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:28 PM
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7. Excellent. Kicked and recommended!
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:28 PM
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8. very good ........ might post some of this on a winger site
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:40 PM
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9. Wow!!! Highly recommended & bookmarked.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:41 PM
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10. Excellent Job ....Recommended n/t
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:48 PM
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11. The cool thing is there is so much dissent in R world.
The wingnuts won't believe the truth if it bites them in the asshat, but there are others in the R party that can see the writing on the wall and have the ability to speak up... at least in an election year. Even with minimal press coverage on only the worst issues, the general population is willing to hear the truth now.

No one likes being lied to... and this administration has pushed that to it's limits.
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HopeFor2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:58 PM
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12. Kick
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:09 PM
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13. Never thought I'd see
rense, worldnetdaily, and newsmax linked here. The world is gone topsy turvy! Seriously, great post. :)
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:39 PM
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16. You can google for real media links, but it REALLY pisses rightwingnuts
off when you use their own rightwingnut tabloid-trashery.

;)
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:10 PM
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14. Listen Much?
Edited on Sat Apr-08-06 06:15 PM by Brigid
That's right, you idiots -- we told you so. Every potential bad result you were warned about, came to pass. It didn't take a PhD in international relations to figure it out, either. But nooooo, you knew better, didn't you? Anybody who disagreed with you was just a wussy alarmist, right? Who's really running the White House these days anyway -- the Three Stooges? :grr:

Bush reminds me of the captain of the Titanic. If he had been in Captain Smith's place, he would have been leading the band as it played "Nearer My God to Thee" and calling Thomas Andrews a "defeatist" for warning him that the ship was sinking. :nopity:
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:37 AM
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24. The worst thing about all this
is not that all the experts knew exactly what was going to happen. The worst thing is that I knew it too. If a random person from Columbus knows more than the president and would have made better decisions, we are really in trouble.

I never once in 8 years thought I was smarter than Bill Clinton. I realize I am smarter than the chimp every damn day.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 08:46 AM
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25. LOL, I' ve said that over and over. It was a pleasure having a Rhodes
Scholar, who also possessed emotional intelligence, as our leader for eight years.

I don't resent intellect, I appreciate it's value, especially paired with common sense.

It seems that a portion of our population is threatened by that quality. :shrug: MKJ
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:17 PM
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33. amen....amen....amen....amen
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:49 PM
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35. I totally agree.
I even have a PhD, but I couldn't hold a candle to Bill Clinton in the intellect department. As for the chimp, he is a prime example of someone who has been educated beyond his intelligence. He should have dropped out in 8th grade.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:36 PM
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37. President George HW Bush called Clinton "a gifted politician"
among other compliments.

Haven't heard him compliment the moran currently squatting in the WH.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:36 PM
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15. Yep
Accurate predictions, all the way through.

But they won't even listen to their own side of the fence.

:crazy:

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:45 PM
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17. They don't GET IT, they never GET IT, those stupid MFing rightwingnuts!
Is it a disease, that they can't comprehend the facts, both forewarned and present?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:49 PM
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18. It is a waste of typing Lynn
beacause after all, they are indeed STUPID RWnut MFers!!!

:rofl:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:50 PM
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19. !
:spray: Ahyep!!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:54 PM
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20. I am having some vodka myself!
:toast:

I need something to medicate myself from the morans that surround me.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:55 PM
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21. Cheers! I hear ya!
:beer:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:33 AM
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28. True, leftchick, but I hold out hope that somewhere there is a
rightwingnut who cares more about American lives dead & wasted for a politican's pile of lies for political gain, than about their political party. And education is ALWAYS worth the effort. Even for stupid MFing rightwingnuts.

:D
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:33 AM
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22. Thanks Lynn! Bookmarked in my Iraq War arsenal.
Nice touch, the way you used right-leaning publications as a reference. Some of the pukes complain when I cite any reference that is anywhere to the left of Mein Kempf.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:30 AM
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27. Thanks, Lasher!
I try to use rightwing publications whenever I can for trying to get through to rightwingnuts. It IS possible to get through to some of them some of the time, if you can manage to get them to read the articles. Give them mainstream links and their minds slam shut immediately.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:35 AM
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23. Great Compilation - this Frontline Link is very good
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:50 AM
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26. LynnTheDem compiles another great list
of sources. Good research. K&R and added to my journal.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:57 AM
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29. Thank you for the time spent to compile this information.
Saving along with many other great posts of information & truth.

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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:28 PM
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30. Most excellent compilation! Some new ones for me, like the first one
but I have been around only for about six years in US politics.

Thank you for this nice write-up!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:31 PM
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31. AWESOME post!!!
thanks!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:31 PM
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32. Dictators Never Trust Their Generals!
NEVER!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:40 PM
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38. Great post indeed
Thanks.
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