helderheid
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:41 AM
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CRAP!! Dennis Kucinich says Impeachment talk is a waste of time. |
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It is unless and until we take back the house and senate. Folks, Gore won in 2000. Kerry won in 2004. We will most certainly "win" in 2006 but will we win or will we watch it get stolen again?
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:43 AM
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1. Hmmm, that thread title sounds eerily familiar... |
helderheid
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:01 AM
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9. :) It was very catchy! |
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:43 AM
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2. "Impeachment talk" is NOT a waste of time! |
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The fuckin' mid-terms are 6 months from now and building the idea, which may become a big damned deal, needs to be done NOW.
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:48 AM
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4. You beat me to the punch |
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But I'm gonna say it anyway. Impeachment talk is NOT a waste of time.
Impeachment won't happen until we take back the house and senate, but promoting the idea of impeachment, keeping the crimes of the neocon cabal in the news may well help us reclaim control of congress.
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:44 AM
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3. We need poll watchers I have served notice to our county that |
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:58 AM
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7. You can witness voters being turned away but you can't see |
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the votes being vaporized.
We need to get rid of computerized voting.
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helderheid
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:59 AM
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8. exactly. I'm all for impeachment but it can't happen unless we |
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take the voting out of the corporations hands. Unless the corporations decide it would be best now to have a corporate Democrat as the new leader, which too is entirely possible.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:17 AM
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22. And looking more likely every day. I'm studying a situation |
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in El Salvador early in the 20th Century. They, too, had fake elections with predetermined outcomes.
After we get rid of the machines, let's take personhood away from the corporations. :evilgrin:
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Sun Apr-09-06 02:45 PM
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:06 AM
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13. I'm a precinct judge. I have questioned our officials on security and |
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chain of custody issues. Our problem here is the Republican state government. They only gave us four choices, none of them very good. One of the companies went belly up, so we only had three choices.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:58 AM
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20. A problem with the "chain of custody" idea is, imho, it |
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Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 11:21 AM by sfexpat2000
doesn't take into account that proprietary code can contaminate the vote before a single one is cast.
Our CA Sec of State is trying to ram Diebold down our throats and has implemented a voter reg database that is excluding qualified voters. Now that I know a little bit of what to look for, the set up is as plain as day. The Thuggery wants CA and they want it badly.
/typo
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:16 AM
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21. I also brought up examining the source code. |
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I said how do we know that there isn't insecure code or malicious code in there. I said it might sound paranoid, but I'd rather err on the side of caution when it comes to our elections.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:19 AM
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23. Good for you, alfredo! |
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If we don't have transparency, we don't really have a reliable result. Asking for it isn't paranoid, it's just reasonable. :applause:
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Sun Apr-09-06 04:09 PM
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26. That's it. Why should we trust them? |
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We don't even know them. We don't know if the person (s) is competent or honest. Why should I trust my vote to them?
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:50 AM
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5. You watch, after the mid term, impeachment will be job 1. |
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I firmly believe this. The Democrats don't want to start a right wing talking point out of it that says "If you vote for Democrats they'll impeach our beloved (incompetent) leader."
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Sun Apr-09-06 09:57 AM
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6. Exactly, I don't think the dems want the impeachment talk out there |
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as a rallying point for the "base".
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:34 AM
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24. This is the reason. Kerry said exactly the same thing this morning on |
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MTP. "Impeachment is a waste of time." No way he really believes that...he's just fending off the fear that Rethuglicans are trying to evoke in those stupid enough to still believe in anything this administration has to say.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:01 AM
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10. Right now it is...after November 2006 it won't be anymore. |
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At least that is my hope.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:02 AM
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11. Could you please post a source for this information? I would |
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Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 10:20 AM by Zorra
like to read DK's explanation for this statement.
Thanks!
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:02 AM
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12. I'll google but I had the opportunity to speak to him face to face about |
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:07 AM
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:28 AM
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19. Have you spoken to him about this recently? Things have |
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changed since 2004 - it seems to me that it is imperative, considering recent disclosures, for conscientious members of Congress to bring the completely justified case for impeachment before the people.
We cannot condone a sitting commander-in-chief maliciously disclosing state secrets in a childish, petty act of revenge.
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Sun Apr-09-06 04:49 PM
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28. well, given his reason then was we didn't have the votes, I imagine |
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that unless and until we take back the house and senate his opinion would be the same but no, I've not spoken to him since last year.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:07 AM
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15. We have to get the midterm elections taken care of first THEN............. |
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.....watch this take off.:bounce:
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:08 AM
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16. but will they steal them AGAIN?? Will we sit idly by while it happens? |
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:20 AM
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18. Enough oppose idiot boy so stealing another election won't be...... |
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.....as easy this time.:patriot: I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm saying that if it does happen it will wake up the entire country. Change is not always easy, quick, or painless.:shrug:
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:10 AM
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Congress is full of corrupt GOPs and dead above the neck DLC Democrats. Unless we can get rid of most of them, any talk about impeachment is a pipe dream.
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Sun Apr-09-06 04:18 PM
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27. How long would it take to get BushCo impeached after January 2007? |
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Hopefully swift enough to take at least a year off his term.
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Sun Apr-09-06 04:50 PM
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29. A big fat welcome to DU! |
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:01 PM
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30. Maybe if we stop whining about so-called stolen elections and |
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start strategizing we can actually win an election and then impeach. :wow:
I know, strategizing is a unfamiliar concept, but it does win elections...
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:15 PM
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31. Hey, I'm all for that. I wouldn't exactly call what I'm saying whining - |
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just the opposite - people cannot get complacent and assume we will win after at least 2 stolen elections. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. I say MASS boycott of the machines - ALL ballots on paper absentee. Not only is your ballot on paper, it sends a STRONG message that we will not touch these machines!
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:29 PM
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32. Absentee does increase voter turnout... |
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It works in Oregon (an all vote by mail state).
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:31 PM
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33. I started working on a ballot initiative here to make my state the |
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:33 PM
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I don't say that often but he is.
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Sun Apr-09-06 05:36 PM
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35. I bet you don't! Hello fellow Kucitizen! :) |
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